05% law may be unconstitutional

JLM

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If we don't allow anyone to drive, traffic deaths will drop more. Is that the bottom line?

Sober driving is a necessary procedure for society to function in the way we want it to and CAN be done safely. Driving while drinking is not necessary to accomplish that purpose and can not necessarily be done safely. :smile:
 

Cannuck

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I think that in most places, it's not recognized in any official way, and the volunteers are liable if they get in an accident. Heck, around here, ambulances need permission from the dispatcher to break the speed limit, and in NS, they aren't allowed to go through red lights.

Many municipalities in Alberta fear that they could get dragged into any law suit involving a driver with a flashing green light if they gave it to the driver and instructed him/her on its use. Municipalities in Alberta are taking more and more control from VFD's and it stems from a law suit in Kweebeck a few years ago that suggested municipalities are responsible for this stuff despite the fact that the MGA says they are not required to do it.
 

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Sober driving is a necessary procedure for society to function in the way we want it to and CAN be done safely. Driving while drinking is not necessary to accomplish that purpose and can not necessarily be done safely. :smile:

So, in order to protect us, we should eliminate the rules of justice that allow someone accused of a crime to a fair trial.
I agree, but I want that spread to other offenses - as long as a traffic cop charges you with an offense, you should go to jail and lose your car.

Of course, none of that is to apply to any females charged with any crime of any kind.
 

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Yes, the senior woman who drove the wrong way on a divided highway here last year, had a head on collision, and killed her next door neighbor was certainly safe, because she never went that fast.
 

petros

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Drinkers should go free but all other forms of impaired driving should get the fire hose and the book thrown at them.
 
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JLM

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So, in order to protect us, we should eliminate the rules of justice that allow someone accused of a crime to a fair trial.
I agree, but I want that spread to other offenses - as long as a traffic cop charges you with an offense, you should go to jail and lose your car.

Of course, none of that is to apply to any females charged with any crime of any kind.

So you should lose your car when you are caught fishing without a fishing license? Well I suppose that might prevent you from going fishing! :lol:

Drinkers should go free but all other forms of impairmed driving should get the fire hose and the book thrown at them.

Drunk is just one form of impaired driving, but doesn't preclude from cracking down on other forms.
 

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So you should lose your car when you are caught fishing without a fishing license? Well I suppose that might prevent you from going fishing! :lol:

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If you are caught fishing out of season, fishing without a license, or having out of season or overlimit fish in your possession in Ont. you CAN lose your car. Probably will. Same with hunting.

But, yep, take away a drunk's car and he'll get another. There's a guy lives a mile from me hasn't had a driver's license in 15 years - drives every day. gets caught, pays the fine, and drives again. sometimes he's drunk, sometimes not. Tell me the folks in charge are serious about the law.............right. Put on a RIDE program a couple of times a year and everyone's happy.
 

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If you fail the dance, you fail the dance.

Sadly the way it works in B.C. you don't even get invited to the prom much less asked to dance. Which is what the case is all about.
What is needed is a clear and simple law. If .08 is the level of impairment then over is a fine and under is free. If the people want .05 to be the limit fine, make that the line but no ambiguous area where a cop gets to decide if you get a fine or not with no legal recourse. The roadside screening devices have been proven to be inaccurate. Even a speeding ticket is permitted to be fought in court.
 

petros

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There are no "drunk driving laws" but their are impaired driving laws with sub sections on drinking. You don't need to have consumed anything to be considered driving while impaired.
 

JLM

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Sadly the way it works in B.C. you don't even get invited to the prom much less asked to dance. Which is what the case is all about.
What is needed is a clear and simple law. If .08 is the level of impairment then over is a fine and under is free. If the people want .05 to be the limit fine, make that the line but no ambiguous area where a cop gets to decide if you get a fine or not with no legal recourse. The roadside screening devices have been proven to be inaccurate. Even a speeding ticket is permitted to be fought in court.

THAT probably makes the most sense. :smile:
 

petros

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The roadside screening devices have been proven to be inaccurate.
And that is why you are given the option of an accurate blood test. If you doubt the roadside BAC thingy get your blood taken.