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Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching Stealing you mean. Bastard. Based on what? What is your criteria for fairness and objectivity? Ohhh. Is this what you call fair? Stealing someone's personal correspondance and taking things out of context? That is fair? That is objective...

Who was caught lying? Of course it is. Established by whom? What is objective about what you're doing? You think you can ignore all climate science data, because some bloggers made a big deal about stolen emails. That's not objective at all... It's not who, it's what. If someone can show...

Observations? The same observations you're referring to?

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching So, because you have ethical problems with what a few scientists said in private emails, you think that is evidence of fraud? There was no fraud...no matter how many investigations come to that conclusion, there will be folks like you, who are...

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. You don't even know who made those measurements. This is textbook denial.

Because the climate is a dynamic system? If temperature has always lead carbon dioxide, it seems logical to conclude that what we see currently is not driven by the same natural mechanisms, as temperature is not leading the carbon dioxide concentration in our atmosphere.

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching You do know what an estimate is, right? It's an approximate calculation. If you want to compare the volcano to airplane emissions of carbon, you need to estimate the carbon emissions from airplanes as well as estimate the emissions from the...

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching Before you can call an estimate erroneous, you have to show that it is erroneous. You haven't. You very well could be right, but you have to show how first... Yes, that's what I'm telling you...asking for what volume of gas was produced is...

No...sponge bob is a sponge. The corals don't die because of the heat, they die of starvation because there are no photosynthesizing zooxanthellae to sustain them. Of course not. The rate of change right now exceeds the majority of natural ocean chemistry and temperature changes in the past...

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching Of course it's an estimate...how many volcanoes have measuring devices placed so that some day when the volcano erupts they can measure these things? That's impractical. And while we're on the subject of solid science, you seem confused...

Hmm, I don't recall seeing the reefs listed in the stolen emails, but then I didn't really spend my time reading other peoples private emails while complaining about ethical concerns relating to the work of those whose personal emails I was reading...

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching Solar radiation correlates with sun spots...the Maunder minimum was a time when few sunspots were produced over a 70 year period. This is right in the middle of the Little Ice Age.

Re: 2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching So more sunspots =warmer? Is that what you think the data supports?

No... are you serious? The statement that corals are bleaching is based on an observation that corals lose the symbiotic zooxanthellae when temperatures exceed a thermal threshold. The number of reef provinces experiencing bleaching has increased steadily...as one would expect as the ocean...

Well, fair warning. I'm moving the posts that don't pertain to coral reefs to: AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

A few things, number one would be to limit human impacts on coral reefs, and that is a big one because all of the stressors add up. The second, would be to start building colonies of endangered corals, or those most at risk, in areas where they would still be within their tolerated water...

There's bleaching in years without an El Nino too. And plenty of El Ninos have occurred, only two global bleaching events have been recorded.

It's not even wrong. But to be expected...

The topic is coral bleaching due to excessive temperatures. If you want to debate causation, detection, and attribution of climate change; whether the planet is warming; stolen emails or any other related topics, there are plenty of threads for those already. The topic here is climate change...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/science/earth/21coral.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss "This year’s extreme heat is putting the world’s coral reefs under such severe stress that scientists fear widespread die-offs, endangering not only the richest ecosystems in the ocean but also fisheries that...