Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period

[Ron in Regina]

Didn't bother or didn't like what you found?

Well as it turns out, one word answers the Palestine question with a big ol' YES.

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Go figure.

Haven’t looked yet. I take 3-4 minutes about every 60-90 minutes (I call it a cigarette break cuz…) and check this and the headlines and then back to work.

Trump on Monday said the U.S. is “open” to the concept of restarting negotiations between Washington and Tehran. High-level officials from both sides last convened for official peace talks in Switzerland in June.

“Iran has responded to Trump’s openness to negotiations by doubling down on its demands. “Don’t get distracted by the U.S. President’s mixed signals—from ‘no negotiations’ to ‘we’re ready to talk,’" said Mohsen Rezaei, Iran's recently-installed secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, on Monday. “No talks until Iran’s conditions are met. Period!”

What Is the Status of the U.S.-Iran Peace Talks? Here's What Both Sides Are Saying — TIME

President Donald Trump at the start of the Iran war predicted it would last four-to-five weeks, but the conflict is now in its seventh month, with no clear timeline for when the fighting will end. Active hostilities between Washington and Tehran resumed earlier this month, with oil tankers in...

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So yeah, they’re totally in agreement or not or something something etc…

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Define all of Palestine. What does that mean? What does it mean to you? What does it mean to “Israel?” or to “Palestine?” Are the answers the same as each other?

 

[petros]

Didn't bother or didn't like what you found?

Well as it turns out, one word answers the Palestine question with a big ol' YES.

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Go figure.

Now for the Saudis...

Do Saudi relations with Israel rely on Palestinian sovereignty?

Yes — Saudi Arabia's official position ties normalization with Israel directly to progress on Palestinian statehood, and that stance has held firm through 2026 despite heavy US pressure.

**The official line:** As recently as May 2026, a Saudi source told CNN that normalization requires a "clear and irreversible path" toward a Palestinian state — a position Riyadh has reaffirmed repeatedly even as President Trump pushed Saudi Arabia and other Muslim-majority nations to join the Abraham Accords. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan has put it plainly: recognition of Israel is tied to the establishment of a Palestinian state, and only once that's achieved can normalization talks proceed.

**Where this comes from:** This isn't new — it traces back to Saudi Arabia's 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which conditioned full Arab normalization on Israeli withdrawal to 1967 borders and a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. That framework still shapes official Saudi discourse today.

**The nuance — public position vs. private flexibility:** Some analysts and officials have long argued Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is more flexible in private than the public rhetoric suggests, and before October 7, 2023, he was reportedly less committed to a full two-state solution as a precondition. But the Gaza war hardened Riyadh's public stance considerably — it went from a soft preference to an explicit, repeated red line.

**Current dynamics:** Trump has continued pressing Saudi Arabia to normalize "immediately" alongside Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, and Pakistan, especially after the 2026 Iran war. But Saudi sources have consistently pushed back, insisting the Palestinian statehood pathway isn't negotiable away. Some Israeli analysts (e.g., INSS) argue Saudi Arabia has actually been drifting further from normalization recently — using distance from Israel to shore up domestic legitimacy and regional leadership, rather than moving toward a deal.

So: yes, Palestinian sovereignty (or at least a credible, "irreversible" pathway toward it) is the stated Saudi precondition — though how firm that line truly is in private negotiations remains disputed.


Well how about that? I would have never suspected considering all I hear is Arabs hate Jews simply because they're Jews

 

[petros]

Haven’t looked yet. I take 3-4 minutes about every 60-90 minutes (I call it a cigarette break cuz…) and check this and the headlines and then back to work.

Trump on Monday said the U.S. is “open” to the concept of restarting negotiations between Washington and Tehran. High-level officials from both sides last convened for official peace talks in Switzerland in June.

“Iran has responded to Trump’s openness to negotiations by doubling down on its demands. “Don’t get distracted by the U.S. President’s mixed signals—from ‘no negotiations’ to ‘we’re ready to talk,’" said Mohsen Rezaei, Iran's recently-installed secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, on Monday. “No talks until Iran’s conditions are met. Period!”

What Is the Status of the U.S.-Iran Peace Talks? Here's What Both Sides Are Saying — TIME

President Donald Trump at the start of the Iran war predicted it would last four-to-five weeks, but the conflict is now in its seventh month, with no clear timeline for when the fighting will end. Active hostilities between Washington and Tehran resumed earlier this month, with oil tankers in...

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So yeah, they’re totally in agreement or not or something something etc…

Define all of Palestine. What does that mean? What does it mean to you? What does it mean to “Israel?” or to “Palestine?” Are the answers the same as each other?

Palestine is Gaza and West Bank. What do you think it means?

North, South East and West of the Pecos?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Palestine is Gaza and West Bank. What do you think it means?

North, South East and West of the Pecos?

That’s in your mind. Others might think Palestine is Gaza and what’s now called the West Bank along with what’s currently called Israel in its entirety. Israel itself might think differently.

It’s a legitimate question and that’s why I asked it, as what and where Palestine starts and stops really hasn’t been agreed upon, and before you start going all 1967 (or a short snapshot from a very specific timeframe in I think a couple weeks of June in 1967 to be specific), it really hasn’t been finalized as to where it borders actually lay yet.

I think this came up because it was the Houthis saying they would start doing something or another if the Jews left whatever they consider as Palestine (?) or was it the Iranians? What do the Houthis or the IRGC consider as being Palestine? It could be very different than what you consider….& thus my question…

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt during military conflict called the Six Day War among other names. These areas have remained under varying degrees of Israeli military control and occupation since then.

But…but there are other factors, predating the above, like the 1948 war, ceasefire lines (known as the Green Line) separated Israel from the West Bank (controlled by Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt), but those where ceasefire lines and not national (or international?) border lines.

 

[petros]

That’s in your mind. Others might think Palestine is Gaza and what’s now called the West Bank along with what’s currently called Israel in its entirety. Israel itself might think differently.

Who would? You have Gemini, Grok, Claude ChatGT. Ask them. Zionism showed its ass and now an apple is $3.50 a fucking pound lb. For what? Who caused this?

It’s a legitimate question and that’s why I asked it, as what and where Palestine starts and stops really hasn’t been agreed upon, and before you start going all 1967 (or a short snapshot from a very specific timeframe in I think a couple weeks of June in 1967 to be specific), it really hasn’t been finalized as to where it borders actually layyett.

Thats for the world to decide now isnt it?

You do realize its 800,000,000 to 0.001125?

They think they're wrting Testement 4.0.
Are you hoping for an award for "Best Supporting Actor"?

I think this came up because it was the Houthis saying they would start doing something or another if the Jews left whatever they consider as Palestine (?) or was it the Iranians? What do the Houthis or the IRGC consider as being Palestine? It could be very different than what you consider….& thus my question…

The Jews or the US backed Zionist proxy with the their Isis bum buddies?

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt during military conflict called the Six Day War among other names. These areas have remained under varying degrees of Israeli military control and occupation since then.

Jordan didnt want it? Egypt didnt want it? It was a great fucking big "oh well maybe next time" after Israel attacked Egypt for no fucking reason?

But…but there are other factors, predating the above, like the 1948 war, ceasefire lines (known as the Green Line) separated Israel from the West Bank (controlled by Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt), but those where ceasefire lines and not national (or international?) border lines.

What does that bullshit have to do with Zionists commiting genocide?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ugh, yeah, ok, as hundreds of Iranian truck drivers are currently stuck at Iran’s border with Pakistan, unable to send their goods into Tehran’s neighbor. They say they are facing worsening bureaucratic hurdles and costs, many caused by their own government. The same thing is happening at Iran’s land borders with Turkey, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, dealing Tehran a self-inflicted blow and throttling trade through its few remaining economic release valves, while its Ukraines fault that oil prices are high because they’re fighting back against Russia before the U.S. midterm election.

Iran’s Attempts to Get Around the Hormuz Blockade Are Hitting a Wall — The Wall Street Journal

While Saudi Arabia and others find workarounds, bottlenecks are threatening Iran’s economy

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Tons of stranded apricots have been spoiled because of the delays. Lucrative cargoes of iron ore, cement and bottled gas are stuck at entry points to the Pakistani and Afghan borders, truckers say.

“Neither Iran is taking responsibility for the situation, nor is Pakistan allowing us to unload our cargo,” one driver says in a video posted by the Union of Truckers and Drivers Organizations Across Iran over the weekend.

U.S. Links Chinese Satellite Imagery to Iranian Strike That Killed Three Troops — The Wall Street Journal

Finding deepens U.S.-China tensions ahead of the Trump-Xi summit as officials examine possible Chinese help tracking American warships

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In a sign of how vulnerable the alternative routes are, Iraq over the weekend temporarily closed cargo terminals at the Iran border after alleging Iran had used its territory to attack Saudi Arabia. On Sunday, trucks carrying Iranian onions bound for Iraq were forced to turn back as a result, according to Tehran’s Central Fruit and Vegetable Market.

One driver told Iran’s official news agency IRNA he was stuck for days at the Pakistan side of the border with meat destined for Iran, where prices are spiraling higher. At the border with Afghanistan, truckers also complain they have to wait for days before being able to export Iranian iron ore, according to Iran’s Truckers’ Union.

With Close Calls on U.S. Warships, Iran Shows New Appetite for Escalation — The Wall Street Journal

Tehran’s forces are taking aim at the U.S. Navy in a way they haven’t done since the start of the war

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Meanwhile, at the border with Turkmenistan, the gateway to China, transporters complain of constraints tied to a lack of warehouses and of a proper registration process to bring goods by rail to China. One businessman complained it was increasingly difficult to bring in automotive spare parts from the Asian powerhouse.

Gas prices are about to take a big jump, analysts say, with the worst still to come — The Washington Post

The forecast of economic impacts beyond November’s midterms contrast with the Trump administration’s optimistic messaging.

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[Ron in Regina]

It’s a legitimate question and that’s why I asked it, as what and where Palestine starts and stops really hasn’t been agreed upon, and before you start going all 1967 (or a short snapshot from a very specific timeframe in I think a couple weeks of June in 1967 to be specific), it really hasn’t been finalized as to where it borders actually lay yet.

Thats for the world to decide now isnt it?

Is it? Is it really? Honest question. How many international borders for individual countries has “the world” decided upon just out’a curiosity?

I’m not finding any examples, but I’m not looking very hard. I don’t have a vested interest in looking that hard. Anyway, your idea of where the borders of Palestine should be, & that of Palestinians, & that of Israelis, and that of their neighbours or non-neighbours, or “the world” or the UN or whatever could be very different than each other other. That’s what I was trying to get across above…& there’s many different snapshots in time that could be used as a basis…but it is what it is.

 

[Taxslave2]

Is it? Is it really? Honest question. How many international borders for individual countries has “the world” decided upon just out’a curiosity?
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I’m not finding any examples, but I’m not looking very hard. I don’t have a vested interest in looking that hard. Anyway, your idea of where the borders of Palestine should be, & that of Palestinians, & that of Israelis, and that of their neighbours or non-neighbours, or “the world” or the UN or whatever could be very different than each other other. That’s what I was trying to get across above…& there’s many different snapshots in time that could be used as a basis…but it is what it is.

It is quite simple. The border will be wherever the Jew haters decide it will be. Which could be a fluid location depending on PMS and TDS.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It is quite simple. The border will be wherever the Jew haters decide it will be. Which could be a fluid location depending on PMS and TDS.

Palestine’s borders are not the done deal that some claim it to be because it was never agreed upon. If these borders are between Israel and what will become Palestine, then they would have to be agreed-upon by both Palestine & Israel.

Because major Israeli settlement blocs now house hundreds of thousands of people inside the West Bank, past negotiations have relied on the concept of "land swaps". Israel would likely annex small segments of the West Bank where major settlements sit, and in exchange, give an equivalent amount of land from within undisputed Israeli territory to the new Palestinian state…if…if these two nations managed to agree to this with each other.

The baseline for all modern peace frameworks (if in doubt of the definition of framework or frameworks, it can be googled) is the 1967 borders (often referred to as the Green Line or the 1949 Armistice Line), but it’s the baseline for a framework and not the end result of an negotiated and agreed-upon future border or borders between Israel and what will become Palestine someday. Anyway, this is getting away from the whole Iran war thing.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt during military conflict called the Six Day War among other names. These areas have remained under varying degrees of Israeli military control and occupation since then.

Jordan didnt want it? Egypt didnt want it? It was a great fucking big "oh well maybe next time" after Israel attacked Egypt for no fucking reason?

…for no reason? Hmmmm…Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, an act Israel had previously declared would be treated as a cause for war, and then in May 1967, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser ordered United Nations peacekeepers to leave the Sinai Peninsula for what no good reason?

Straits of Tiran - Wikipedia

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Something something troops along the border something water and Syria starting in 1964, leading to Syrian positions in the Golan Heights frequently shelled Israeli farming communities below or no reason like that? Then the Soviet Union gave false intelligence to Egypt and Syria claiming that Israel was massing troops on the Syrian border for an invasion or something along those lines? This while the PLO was operating from Syria conducting raids into Israel, and Egypt had a mutual defence pact with Syria? That kinda nothing-like reason?

So for no good reason with Egypt and Syria and Jordan amassing hundreds of thousands of soldiers along multiple sides of Israel’s borders…& Israel already having warned Egypt about the Strait of Tiran, knowing that an attack was imminent on at least three fronts, for no good reason Israel preemptively attacked Egypt.

Once Jordan started shelling Israel, for no good reason they got it too, and with Syria already shelling Israeli farmers and having massed troops on its border with Israel, it got it too, for no good reason. Iraq and Saudi Arabia and Algeria and Kuwait and Sudan figured (for no good reason?) that they needed to also pile in/on…but again this is just getting further away from this current Iran kerfuffle.

Origins of the Six-Day War - Wikipedia

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