Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period

[Ron in Regina]

Didn't bother or didn't like what you found?

Well as it turns out, one word answers the Palestine question with a big ol' YES.

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Go figure.

Haven’t looked yet. I take 3-4 minutes about every 60-90 minutes (I call it a cigarette break cuz…) and check this and the headlines and then back to work.

Trump on Monday said the U.S. is “open” to the concept of restarting negotiations between Washington and Tehran. High-level officials from both sides last convened for official peace talks in Switzerland in June.

“Iran has responded to Trump’s openness to negotiations by doubling down on its demands. “Don’t get distracted by the U.S. President’s mixed signals—from ‘no negotiations’ to ‘we’re ready to talk,’" said Mohsen Rezaei, Iran's recently-installed secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, on Monday. “No talks until Iran’s conditions are met. Period!”

What Is the Status of the U.S.-Iran Peace Talks? Here's What Both Sides Are Saying — TIME

President Donald Trump at the start of the Iran war predicted it would last four-to-five weeks, but the conflict is now in its seventh month, with no clear timeline for when the fighting will end. Active hostilities between Washington and Tehran resumed earlier this month, with oil tankers in...

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So yeah, they’re totally in agreement or not or something something etc…

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Define all of Palestine. What does that mean? What does it mean to you? What does it mean to “Israel?” or to “Palestine?” Are the answers the same as each other?

 

[petros]

Didn't bother or didn't like what you found?

Well as it turns out, one word answers the Palestine question with a big ol' YES.

Attacks on Israel will cease when Israel exits all of Palestine.

Go figure.

Now for the Saudis...

Do Saudi relations with Israel rely on Palestinian sovereignty?

Yes — Saudi Arabia's official position ties normalization with Israel directly to progress on Palestinian statehood, and that stance has held firm through 2026 despite heavy US pressure.

**The official line:** As recently as May 2026, a Saudi source told CNN that normalization requires a "clear and irreversible path" toward a Palestinian state — a position Riyadh has reaffirmed repeatedly even as President Trump pushed Saudi Arabia and other Muslim-majority nations to join the Abraham Accords. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan has put it plainly: recognition of Israel is tied to the establishment of a Palestinian state, and only once that's achieved can normalization talks proceed.

**Where this comes from:** This isn't new — it traces back to Saudi Arabia's 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which conditioned full Arab normalization on Israeli withdrawal to 1967 borders and a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. That framework still shapes official Saudi discourse today.

**The nuance — public position vs. private flexibility:** Some analysts and officials have long argued Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is more flexible in private than the public rhetoric suggests, and before October 7, 2023, he was reportedly less committed to a full two-state solution as a precondition. But the Gaza war hardened Riyadh's public stance considerably — it went from a soft preference to an explicit, repeated red line.

**Current dynamics:** Trump has continued pressing Saudi Arabia to normalize "immediately" alongside Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, and Pakistan, especially after the 2026 Iran war. But Saudi sources have consistently pushed back, insisting the Palestinian statehood pathway isn't negotiable away. Some Israeli analysts (e.g., INSS) argue Saudi Arabia has actually been drifting further from normalization recently — using distance from Israel to shore up domestic legitimacy and regional leadership, rather than moving toward a deal.

So: yes, Palestinian sovereignty (or at least a credible, "irreversible" pathway toward it) is the stated Saudi precondition — though how firm that line truly is in private negotiations remains disputed.


Well how about that? I would have never suspected considering all I hear is Arabs hate Jews simply because they're Jews

 

[petros]

Haven’t looked yet. I take 3-4 minutes about every 60-90 minutes (I call it a cigarette break cuz…) and check this and the headlines and then back to work.

Trump on Monday said the U.S. is “open” to the concept of restarting negotiations between Washington and Tehran. High-level officials from both sides last convened for official peace talks in Switzerland in June.

“Iran has responded to Trump’s openness to negotiations by doubling down on its demands. “Don’t get distracted by the U.S. President’s mixed signals—from ‘no negotiations’ to ‘we’re ready to talk,’" said Mohsen Rezaei, Iran's recently-installed secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, on Monday. “No talks until Iran’s conditions are met. Period!”

What Is the Status of the U.S.-Iran Peace Talks? Here's What Both Sides Are Saying — TIME

President Donald Trump at the start of the Iran war predicted it would last four-to-five weeks, but the conflict is now in its seventh month, with no clear timeline for when the fighting will end. Active hostilities between Washington and Tehran resumed earlier this month, with oil tankers in...

apple.news

So yeah, they’re totally in agreement or not or something something etc…

Define all of Palestine. What does that mean? What does it mean to you? What does it mean to “Israel?” or to “Palestine?” Are the answers the same as each other?

Palestine is Gaza and West Bank. What do you think it means?

North, South East and West of the Pecos?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Palestine is Gaza and West Bank. What do you think it means?

North, South East and West of the Pecos?

That’s in your mind. Others might think Palestine is Gaza and what’s now called the West Bank along with what’s currently called Israel in its entirety. Israel itself might think differently.

It’s a legitimate question and that’s why I asked it, as what and where Palestine starts and stops really hasn’t been agreed upon, and before you start going all 1967 (or a short snapshot from a very specific timeframe in I think a couple weeks of June in 1967 to be specific), it really hasn’t been finalized as to where it borders actually lay yet.

I think this came up because it was the Houthis saying they would start doing something or another if the Jews left whatever they consider as Palestine (?) or was it the Iranians? What do the Houthis or the IRGC consider as being Palestine? It could be very different than what you consider….& thus my question…

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt during military conflict called the Six Day War among other names. These areas have remained under varying degrees of Israeli military control and occupation since then.

But…but there are other factors, predating the above, like the 1948 war, ceasefire lines (known as the Green Line) separated Israel from the West Bank (controlled by Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt), but those where ceasefire lines and not national (or international?) border lines.

 

[petros]

That’s in your mind. Others might think Palestine is Gaza and what’s now called the West Bank along with what’s currently called Israel in its entirety. Israel itself might think differently.

Who would? You have Gemini, Grok, Claude ChatGT. Ask them. Zionism showed its ass and now an apple is $3.50 a fucking pound lb. For what? Who caused this?

It’s a legitimate question and that’s why I asked it, as what and where Palestine starts and stops really hasn’t been agreed upon, and before you start going all 1967 (or a short snapshot from a very specific timeframe in I think a couple weeks of June in 1967 to be specific), it really hasn’t been finalized as to where it borders actually layyett.

Thats for the world to decide now isnt it?

You do realize its 800,000,000 to 0.001125?

They think they're wrting Testement 4.0.
Are you hoping for an award for "Best Supporting Actor"?

I think this came up because it was the Houthis saying they would start doing something or another if the Jews left whatever they consider as Palestine (?) or was it the Iranians? What do the Houthis or the IRGC consider as being Palestine? It could be very different than what you consider….& thus my question…

The Jews or the US backed Zionist proxy with the their Isis bum buddies?

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt during military conflict called the Six Day War among other names. These areas have remained under varying degrees of Israeli military control and occupation since then.

Jordan didnt want it? Egypt didnt want it? It was a great fucking big "oh well maybe next time" after Israel attacked Egypt for no fucking reason?

But…but there are other factors, predating the above, like the 1948 war, ceasefire lines (known as the Green Line) separated Israel from the West Bank (controlled by Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (controlled by Egypt), but those where ceasefire lines and not national (or international?) border lines.

What does that bullshit have to do with Zionists commiting genocide?