Hamas attacks Israel

Ron in Regina

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The foreign ministers of Qatar, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt also approved of the proposal in a joint statement. The statement emphasized the proposal’s terms to “prevent the displacement of the Palestinian people and advance a comprehensive peace, as well as [Trump’s] announcement that he will not allow the annexation of the West Bank.” It also reaffirmed the need for “unrestricted delivery of sufficient humanitarian aid to Gaza” and the full withdrawal of Israel’s military in order to achieve a two-state solution “under which Gaza is fully integrated with the West Bank in a Palestinian state.”
While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence. The Trump plan contemplates gradual progress, development and social rehabilitation, remaking an extremist Islamist nation into a civilized functioning entity, similar to the denazification effort that the Allies undertook in postwar Germany.

Then, maybe, nationhood can be discussed.
 

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What did Türkiye & Egypt say? Anything new in the last day or two? Are they against Trumps peace plan and for this flotilla jeopardizing it?
Somebody has to be ready to enforce Trump's plan that was forced by the New York Declaration which is the preamble to a declaration of war. Its "do this or else".

If you've paying attention Xi and Putin are on the same page as the the NYD and just maybe very well say "fuck this" and do a decapitation strike on Israel just like Israel does.

If Jordan, Qatar, Arabia, UAE, Turkiye, Iraq, Kurds, Egypt and Syria no longer offer missile defense which as it stands are in no way obligated to provide Israel, Iran levels the place in 20 minutes with 500 x 17 warheads per missile shots from near orbit and the missile defense that was once used to stop inbound rockets will be turned on rockets outbound from Israel.

Then what?

US is going to do what?

There's a new Superpower in town.

Thank You Jesus and thank you tariffs.
 

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There is one thing you can't do in any war and claim a moral high ground, kill 35,000 children and maim 80,000 more while starving them.
 

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Ron in Regina

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There is one thing you can't do in any war and claim a moral high ground, kill 35,000 children and maim 80,000 more while starving them.
Taiwan and Ukraine aren't in the midst of a genocide.

The "West" North, South and East aren't going to let this continue.
(YouTube & LILLEY UNLEASHED: Can we know the actual death toll in Gaza?)

In the Middle East, Israel is no longer fighting a war confined to Gaza — it is facing a coordinated regional siege. The recent 12-Day War with Iran showcased the Israel Defense Forces’ ability to repel a massive missile and drone barrage, degrade Iran’s strike capacity, and — with U.S. support — cripple key nuclear facilities at Natanz, Fordow, and Isfahan. Yet this was a tactical win, not the end of the war.

Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad still operate from Gaza and hold Israelis hostage. The Hezbollah threat remains in Lebanon. Iranian proxies have the potential to harass from Syria and Iraq. The Houthis continue attacks from Yemen. The danger now is diplomatic: the recognition of a Palestinian state without ironclad security arrangements risks creating an Iranian forward operating base within artillery range of Tel Aviv. That would not bring peace; it would hard-wire instability into the region and reward Tehran’s proxy warfare and the forces of terror.

These are not disconnected crises. Moscow, Tehran, and Beijing are watching one another’s wars, drawing lessons, and in some cases collaborating. Iranian drones are launched from Russia to skies over Ukraine. China and Russia are deepening their strategic partnership from the Arctic to the South China Sea. A faltering Western response in one theatre will echo in the others.

If Ukraine holds, it forces Moscow to recalibrate. If Israel breaks the siege, it deters Tehran’s next escalation and further terror. If Taiwan remains secure, it warns Beijing that the price of invasion will always be too high. But if any one of them falls, the message to the rest of the authoritarian world will be unmistakable: the West blinks, the West buckles, and the West can be beaten.
 

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In the Middle East, Israel is no longer fighting a war confined to Gaza — it is facing a coordinated regional siege. The recent 12-Day War with Iran showcased the Israel Defense Forces’ ability to repel a massive missile and drone barrage, degrade Iran’s strike capacity, and — with U.S. support — cripple key nuclear facilities at Natanz, Fordow, and Isfahan. Yet this was a tactical win, not the end of the war.
Israel lost the 12 Day War. They couldn't repel jackshit. Still can't.
 

Ron in Regina

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Wow…didn’t see that coming….the Israeli navy has told a flotilla carrying aid towards Gaza to change course, as activists say the boats have been intercepted, etc…
 

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(YouTube & Israel begins to intercept Global Sumud Flotilla vessels)
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Israel has intercepted the Global Sumud Flotilla, which had been attempting to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza, and had garnered global attention as one of the biggest naval aid missions to the Palestinian enclave.
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The Global Sumud Flotilla – carrying more than 40 civilian boats and about 500 activists – was boarded by Israeli forces late on Wednesday, with activists on board detained and taken to Israel.
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TEL AVIV—Israeli forces have intercepted a flotilla of about 40 boats carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists trying to break through a naval blockade and deliver humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.

Jebus..even Al-Qatareera is saying token symbolic amounts of aid, but the Wall Street Journal isn’t? That’s…interesting.

The Israeli navy confronted the Global Sumud Flotilla as it sailed toward them in international waters, roughly 70 nautical miles from the coast of Gaza. Israel’s Foreign Ministry had earlier warned the vessels to change course. Just after 11 p.m. local time, the ministry said several boats had already “been safely stopped and their passengers are being transferred to an Israeli port.”

The interception follows a weekslong standoff as the activists closed in on the Gaza coast. Among them are Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, who was also aboard an earlier flotilla that Israel intercepted in June.
1759367707421.jpegA grandson of Nelson Mandela and several European lawmakers are taking part in the latest flotilla. “Greta and her friends are safe and healthy,” Israel’s Foreign Ministry said after the navy intercepted the first of the boats. It shared a video of Thunberg being handed a drink and a coat on X.

The flotilla’s organizers called the interception “an illegal attack on unarmed humanitarians in international waters.” It said it was working to account for all participants after losing contact with several boats amid what appeared to be deliberate disruption of their communications systems. There were no initial reports of injuries.

The flotilla had been on high alert since just before dawn Wednesday, when the crew on one of the lead boats, the Alma, detected unlit vessels drifting toward them in the darkness. Witnesses said multiple boats, which they believed belonged to the Israeli navy, harassed them in an apparent final effort to get them to turn back.
(YouTube & ‘Israeli’ navy warns Gaza aid flotilla to change course: ministry)

As Israeli boats approached the flotilla late Wednesday, activists carried out the protocols they had been practicing for weeks. Videos livestreamed from some of the boats showed them in life vests, sitting in positions meant to be seen as nonthreatening. Some tossed their mobile phones overboard so authorities couldn’t seize them.

Israel has controlled the waters around Gaza since 2009, when it declared a naval blockade to stop what it said was a pipeline for weapons and extremists. It has accused flotilla organizers of having links to Hamas, the U.S.-designated terrorist group whose deadly attack on Israel in 2023, which left about 1,200 people dead, sparked the war in Gaza. Participants in the flotilla dismiss the allegations as baseless.
All I can say is, the IDF must make a mean sandwich! I can imagine Thunberg being quoted as saying, “I’ll have a Pastrami on Rye, extra mayo, light on the mustard, with extra cheese, tomatos, and black olives” ‘cuz the last one was so good, I had to find an excuse to come back for another one?
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I hope they got a significant damage deposit on this rental…

So what happens to the other boats that won’t turn around, or deviate away from this blockade?
 

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As with previous attempts to breach the blockade, the detained activists are being taken to Israel where they will face deportation, according to Israel's foreign ministry.
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Some of those on the latest flotilla, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, have been previously detained by Israeli authorities as they attempted to break the blockade .
In June, Israel blocked another flotilla to the Gaza Strip. Thunberg, who also participated in that attempt, was returned to her native Sweden and, along with 11 other ‘activists’, banned from entering Israel for 100 years.
In the past, activists detained by Israel were not criminally prosecuted and instead their presence was treated as an immigration matter.
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When Thunberg's previous flotilla was intercepted in June, she and three other activists signed deportation orders waiving the right to delay their removal for a period of 72 hours so they could appeal and were immediately ejected from the country.
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Well, at least they personally delivered a portion of their aid, dependent upon the prevailing winds and currents. Can someone with more nautical experience explain where this will end up?

They were detained near Tel Aviv airport - Hassan was held briefly in solitary confinement, an NGO representing her said - and appeared before a tribunal which upheld their deportation orders and ordered their removal. All those deported were banned from returning to Israel for 100 years, legal representatives said.
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Once the flotilla crews arrived, they would be identified and transferred to the immigration authority to process them for anticipated deportation, before being moved into custody, likely in Ketziot Prison in southern Israel.
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Omer Shatz, an Israeli international law expert at Paris' Sciences Po University in Paris, said unlike where flotilla activists were held last time, Ketziot was a high-security prison that did not normally hold immigration detainees.
He said the activists may be held there because processing 500 people would be logistically difficult for Israel. Shatz, however, described Ketziot Prison as being known for its harsh conditions.
Although Israeli authorities would have a record of repeat participants in aid flotillas, activists such as Thunberg and Hassan, were generally treated in the same way as first-time participants, subject to short-term detention and deportation.

Israel's foreign ministry said that the flotilla was warned by the navy that it was approaching an active combat zone and violating a "lawful naval blockade", and asked organisers to change course. It offered to transfer the aid to Gaza, the foreign ministry said.
"This systematic refusal (to hand over the aid) demonstrates that the objective is not humanitarian, but provocative," Jonathan Peled, the Israeli ambassador to Italy, said in a post on X.

Greece said it has been informed that 39 boats from the flotilla are sailing to the Israeli port of Ashdod and that everyone onboard is safe, no violence was exerted, the Greek public broadcaster reported.
 

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Probably figured accurately that if they cut and ran, the Israelis wouldn't actually fire on them. Too much bad press.
One boat, the Mikeno, was reported to have escaped the maritime blockade and to have stopped inside Palestinian territorial waters near Gaza’s coast before contact with the vessel was lost.

The Israeli foreign ministry confirmed that ‘‘one last boat of the provocation remains in the distance.’’

‘‘If it approaches,” it added, “its attempt to enter an active combat zone and break the blockade will also be prevented.”

Yuval Shany, an expert on international law at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said that as long as Israel’s blockade of Gaza was “militarily justified” – meant to keep out weapons – and a ship intended to break the siege, Israel could intercept the vessel after prior warning.
 
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