Hamas attacks Israel
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Yeah, religion from the outside is pretty strange. Apocalypse, Eschatolog, Ragnarök, etc…The Book of Revelation? The Last Day? Judgement Day?
That too I guess. Thankfully there’s microwave popcorn.
It’s moving again, & not symbolically this time.
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So, if this remains consistent, then maybe another five-ish or six days before they’re intercepted and guided to an Israeli port?
So, maybe Oct 3rd (Friday) or 4th (Saturday)? Wouldn’t it be curious it they timed their arrival for the 7th (Tuesday)?
Israel’s Foreign Ministry said on Saturday that the organizers’ rejection of the Vatican’s plan made it clear that the initiative “has nothing to do with aid,” adding, “This is all about provocation and serving Hamas.”
Jerusalem maintains that its naval blockade on the enclave, imposed on Jan. 3, 2009, is compatible with international law. It aims to prevent arms, terrorists and money from entering or exiting Gaza by sea.
In June, Israel blocked another flotilla to the Gaza Strip. Thunberg, who also participated in that attempt, was returned to her native Sweden and, along with 11 other ‘activists’, banned from entering Israel for 100 years.
The vessels are being escorted by the Italian and Spanish navies, which deployed warships last week after the initiative allegedly came under attack by Israeli UAVs that dropped stun grenades off the Greek coast.
However, Greece’s Hellenic Coast Guard told AFP on Wednesday that it did not see any evidence of damage or other proof of the alleged strikes.
Rome’s foreign ministry sent a message to Italian members of the flotilla on Thursday, warning them against continuing after refusing the Cyprus plan, and offering help with repatriation if they opted to disembark.
The missive emphasized that the Italian Navy ship would only carry out rescue or humanitarian operations, and would not engage in defensive or offensive military maneuvers, adding, “Whoever [continues with the mission] takes on all risks and is personally responsible for them.”
The legal framework here is unambiguous. A 2011 United Nations Secretary-General’s panel, the “Palmer Report,” affirmed Israel’s naval blockade as a legitimate security measure. The San Remo Manual, which governs armed conflicts at sea, authorizes the interception and capture of vessels attempting to breach such a blockade.
The moment the flotilla enters Israel’s twelve-nautical-mile territorial sea, its passage ceases to be “innocent” under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). By facilitating this breach, the European warships become parties to the violation. UNCLOS Articles 25 and 30 are not suggestions; they authorize a coastal state to use necessary measures to prevent non-innocent passage and expel the offending warship.
Proponents of the mission will argue this is a humanitarian act to protect civilians, citing the International Court of Justice’s July 2024 advisory opinion to delegitimize the blockade. This argument is a misreading of the law.
The 2011 U.N. Palmer Report specifically affirmed the blockade’s legality, a direct finding that the International Court of Justice’s broader, non-binding opinion does not supersede. Furthermore, the mission’s character transforms from humanitarian presence to illegal action the moment it crosses the twelve-mile line. At that point, the escorts are no longer protectors; they are participants in an unlawful act.
www.meforum.org
The risk here is not a single naval incident, but the precedent it sets. A successful breach, even a symbolic one, carves out a permanent corridor for malign actors, including Iran and its proxies, to exploit under the guise of humanitarianism.
The choice Rome and Madrid are making in the eastern Mediterranean today is not simply about this flotilla. It is a decision that will either reinforce the legal architecture of maritime security or hand a strategic victory to those who seek to dismantle it.
(Sorry, it’s a map, used as a visual tool)
So, if this remains consistent, then maybe another five-ish or six days before they’re intercepted and guided to an Israeli port?
So, maybe Oct 3rd (Friday) or 4th (Saturday)? Wouldn’t it be curious it they timed their arrival for the 7th (Tuesday)?
While “the issue of aid is very important,” a flotilla spokesperson told Italian media, abandoning the trip to Gaza “means admitting that you let a government operate illegally without being able to do anything.”
Israel’s Foreign Ministry said on Saturday that the organizers’ rejection of the Vatican’s plan made it clear that the initiative “has nothing to do with aid,” adding, “This is all about provocation and serving Hamas.”
Jerusalem maintains that its naval blockade on the enclave, imposed on Jan. 3, 2009, is compatible with international law. It aims to prevent arms, terrorists and money from entering or exiting Gaza by sea.
In June, Israel blocked another flotilla to the Gaza Strip. Thunberg, who also participated in that attempt, was returned to her native Sweden and, along with 11 other ‘activists’, banned from entering Israel for 100 years.
The vessels are being escorted by the Italian and Spanish navies, which deployed warships last week after the initiative allegedly came under attack by Israeli UAVs that dropped stun grenades off the Greek coast.
However, Greece’s Hellenic Coast Guard told AFP on Wednesday that it did not see any evidence of damage or other proof of the alleged strikes.
Rome’s foreign ministry sent a message to Italian members of the flotilla on Thursday, warning them against continuing after refusing the Cyprus plan, and offering help with repatriation if they opted to disembark.
The missive emphasized that the Italian Navy ship would only carry out rescue or humanitarian operations, and would not engage in defensive or offensive military maneuvers, adding, “Whoever [continues with the mission] takes on all risks and is personally responsible for them.”
The legal framework here is unambiguous. A 2011 United Nations Secretary-General’s panel, the “Palmer Report,” affirmed Israel’s naval blockade as a legitimate security measure. The San Remo Manual, which governs armed conflicts at sea, authorizes the interception and capture of vessels attempting to breach such a blockade.
The moment the flotilla enters Israel’s twelve-nautical-mile territorial sea, its passage ceases to be “innocent” under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). By facilitating this breach, the European warships become parties to the violation. UNCLOS Articles 25 and 30 are not suggestions; they authorize a coastal state to use necessary measures to prevent non-innocent passage and expel the offending warship.
Proponents of the mission will argue this is a humanitarian act to protect civilians, citing the International Court of Justice’s July 2024 advisory opinion to delegitimize the blockade. This argument is a misreading of the law.
The 2011 U.N. Palmer Report specifically affirmed the blockade’s legality, a direct finding that the International Court of Justice’s broader, non-binding opinion does not supersede. Furthermore, the mission’s character transforms from humanitarian presence to illegal action the moment it crosses the twelve-mile line. At that point, the escorts are no longer protectors; they are participants in an unlawful act.
The Twelve-Mile Tripwire: How a Gaza Flotilla Escort Courts Disaster
Italy and Spain Should Direct Their Warships to Halt Escort Operations Inside Israel’s Territorial Sea
www.meforum.org
The choice Rome and Madrid are making in the eastern Mediterranean today is not simply about this flotilla. It is a decision that will either reinforce the legal architecture of maritime security or hand a strategic victory to those who seek to dismantle it.
Its not 2011 any longer.It’s moving again, & not symbolically this time.
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(Sorry, it’s a map, used as a visual tool)
So, if this remains consistent, then maybe another five-ish or six days before they’re intercepted and guided to an Israeli port?
So, maybe Oct 3rd (Friday) or 4th (Saturday)? Wouldn’t it be curious it they timed their arrival for the 7th (Tuesday)?
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While “the issue of aid is very important,” a flotilla spokesperson told Italian media, abandoning the trip to Gaza “means admitting that you let a government operate illegally without being able to do anything.”
Israel’s Foreign Ministry said on Saturday that the organizers’ rejection of the Vatican’s plan made it clear that the initiative “has nothing to do with aid,” adding, “This is all about provocation and serving Hamas.”
Jerusalem maintains that its naval blockade on the enclave, imposed on Jan. 3, 2009, is compatible with international law. It aims to prevent arms, terrorists and money from entering or exiting Gaza by sea.
In June, Israel blocked another flotilla to the Gaza Strip. Thunberg, who also participated in that attempt, was returned to her native Sweden and, along with 11 other ‘activists’, banned from entering Israel for 100 years.
The vessels are being escorted by the Italian and Spanish navies, which deployed warships last week after the initiative allegedly came under attack by Israeli UAVs that dropped stun grenades off the Greek coast.
However, Greece’s Hellenic Coast Guard told AFP on Wednesday that it did not see any evidence of damage or other proof of the alleged strikes.
Rome’s foreign ministry sent a message to Italian members of the flotilla on Thursday, warning them against continuing after refusing the Cyprus plan, and offering help with repatriation if they opted to disembark.
The missive emphasized that the Italian Navy ship would only carry out rescue or humanitarian operations, and would not engage in defensive or offensive military maneuvers, adding, “Whoever [continues with the mission] takes on all risks and is personally responsible for them.”
The legal framework here is unambiguous. A 2011 United Nations Secretary-General’s panel, the “Palmer Report,” affirmed Israel’s naval blockade as a legitimate security measure. The San Remo Manual, which governs armed conflicts at sea, authorizes the interception and capture of vessels attempting to breach such a blockade.
The moment the flotilla enters Israel’s twelve-nautical-mile territorial sea, its passage ceases to be “innocent” under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). By facilitating this breach, the European warships become parties to the violation. UNCLOS Articles 25 and 30 are not suggestions; they authorize a coastal state to use necessary measures to prevent non-innocent passage and expel the offending warship.
Proponents of the mission will argue this is a humanitarian act to protect civilians, citing the International Court of Justice’s July 2024 advisory opinion to delegitimize the blockade. This argument is a misreading of the law.
The 2011 U.N. Palmer Report specifically affirmed the blockade’s legality, a direct finding that the International Court of Justice’s broader, non-binding opinion does not supersede. Furthermore, the mission’s character transforms from humanitarian presence to illegal action the moment it crosses the twelve-mile line. At that point, the escorts are no longer protectors; they are participants in an unlawful act.
The risk here is not a single naval incident, but the precedent it sets. A successful breach, even a symbolic one, carves out a permanent corridor for malign actors, including Iran and its proxies, to exploit under the guise of humanitarianism.The Twelve-Mile Tripwire: How a Gaza Flotilla Escort Courts Disaster
Italy and Spain Should Direct Their Warships to Halt Escort Operations Inside Israel’s Territorial Sea
The choice Rome and Madrid are making in the eastern Mediterranean today is not simply about this flotilla. It is a decision that will either reinforce the legal architecture of maritime security or hand a strategic victory to those who seek to dismantle it.
The UN Human Rights Council's independent experts in 2011 rejected aspects of the Palmer Report, stating the blockade is inseparable from Israel's broader occupation and control over Gaza, making it unlawful.
The International Court of Justice's (ICJ) July 2024 advisory opinion declared Israel's overall presence and policies in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (including Gaza) unlawful, citing violations like forcible evictions, demolitions, and restrictions that amount to annexation and apartheid-like practices.a3f008a5c692
While it doesn't explicitly rule on the naval blockade, critics interpret it as implying the blockade's illegality as part of the occupation.
With the on going genocide, all bets are off.
Ain’t that the truth.
Proponents of the mission will argue this is a humanitarian act to protect civilians, citing the International Court of Justice’s July 2024 advisory opinion to delegitimize the blockade. This argument is a misreading of the law.
(see link quoted in post#6566)
The 2011 U.N. Palmer Report specifically affirmed the blockade’s legality, a direct finding that the International Court of Justice’s broader, non-binding opinion does not supersede.
The September 11 attacks on the United States, obliges all member states to prohibit making resources available to militant organizations. The Fourth Geneva Convention allows humanitarian assistance (even token symbolic aid) to be denied if there is a serious concern that it will be delivered to those who are not innocent civilians and create an advantage for the enemy.
Since 2007 or whatever? After Hamas seized control of the Gaza StripFatah and Palestinian Authority forces had fled the Strip and were no longer able to provide security on the Palestinian side.
Gaza War (2008–2009) - Wikipedia
Allegations of genocide in the October 7 attacks - Wikipedia
An anti-Semite used to be someone who didnt like Jews. Now an anti-Semite is someone Iaraelis don't like.
WTG!
It’s amazing how definitions change depending on who’s using the terms over time. Look at the word fascist for what it was 80 years ago to today. It’s interesting.
It's the blinding genius of "I'm not a whatever! YOU'RE the whatever!"
National and international politics as six-year-old schoolyard taunts.
Trump sounded increasingly optimistic last week about the prospects of a deal after meeting Arab and Muslim-majority leaders on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.
Under the US proposals, former British prime minister Tony Blair was floated in some media reports as a possible leader of a transitional authority for Gaza.
The body, known as the "Gaza International Transitional Authority", would operate with the support of the UN and Gulf nations before eventually handing control to a “reformed” (?) Palestinian Authority (PA).
Netanyahu, during his UN speech, dismissed the idea of the Ramallah-based PA having a role in governing Gaza, which it did until Hamas seized power in 2007.
He expressed deep skepticism on Sunday that the PA could be “reformed.”
"I think that the credibility or the likelihood of... a ‘reformed’ Palestinian Authority that changes completely its stripes, that accepts a Jewish state, that teaches its children to embrace the coexistence and friendship with the Jewish state, rather than living their lives in order to annihilate it... well, good luck," he told Fox News.
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Hamas has not received U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza ceasefire plan, the Palestinian group which runs the enclave said on Saturday as Israeli forces expanded their assault on Gaza City.
The comments came after Israeli newspaper Haaretz cited sources saying Hamas had agreed in principle to release all the Israeli hostages it holds in return for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and the gradual withdrawal of Israeli troops under Trump's plan.
Also included in the proposal were the end of Hamas rule in Gaza, and Israel agreeing not to annex the territory and drive out Palestinians living there, Haaretz reported.
"Hamas has not been presented with any plan," a Hamas official who asked not to be named told Reuters.
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Hamad then described talks with US President Donald Trump to end the Gaza war as “frozen,” the report added, despite Trump saying that talks with Middle Eastern players on Gaza were productive.
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Under the US proposals, former British prime minister Tony Blair was floated in some media reports as a possible leader of a transitional authority for Gaza.
The body, known as the "Gaza International Transitional Authority", would operate with the support of the UN and Gulf nations before eventually handing control to a “reformed” (?) Palestinian Authority (PA).
Netanyahu, during his UN speech, dismissed the idea of the Ramallah-based PA having a role in governing Gaza, which it did until Hamas seized power in 2007.
He expressed deep skepticism on Sunday that the PA could be “reformed.”
"I think that the credibility or the likelihood of... a ‘reformed’ Palestinian Authority that changes completely its stripes, that accepts a Jewish state, that teaches its children to embrace the coexistence and friendship with the Jewish state, rather than living their lives in order to annihilate it... well, good luck," he told Fox News.
Trump to push Netanyahu on Gaza peace plan at White House — AFP News
US President Donald Trump will host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Monday for high-stakes talks aimed at sealing an elusive Gaza peace agreement.
The comments came after Israeli newspaper Haaretz cited sources saying Hamas had agreed in principle to release all the Israeli hostages it holds in return for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and the gradual withdrawal of Israeli troops under Trump's plan.
Also included in the proposal were the end of Hamas rule in Gaza, and Israel agreeing not to annex the territory and drive out Palestinians living there, Haaretz reported.
"Hamas has not been presented with any plan," a Hamas official who asked not to be named told Reuters.
Hamas says it has not received Trump plan as Israel expands Gaza City assault — Reuters
Hamas has not received U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza ceasefire plan, the Palestinian group which runs the enclave said on Saturday as Israeli forces expanded their assault on Gaza City.
'Hamas has no regrets of Oct. 7,' terror group official tells CNN after surviving Doha strike — The Jerusalem Post
Hamad falsely stated in the CNN interview that the terror organization only attacked military targets and that they "never intended to kidnap civilians."
Arrest Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben-Gvir and it ends today.Trump sounded increasingly optimistic last week about the prospects of a deal after meeting Arab and Muslim-majority leaders on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.
Under the US proposals, former British prime minister Tony Blair was floated in some media reports as a possible leader of a transitional authority for Gaza.
The body, known as the "Gaza International Transitional Authority", would operate with the support of the UN and Gulf nations before eventually handing control to a “reformed” (?) Palestinian Authority (PA).
Netanyahu, during his UN speech, dismissed the idea of the Ramallah-based PA having a role in governing Gaza, which it did until Hamas seized power in 2007.
He expressed deep skepticism on Sunday that the PA could be “reformed.”
"I think that the credibility or the likelihood of... a ‘reformed’ Palestinian Authority that changes completely its stripes, that accepts a Jewish state, that teaches its children to embrace the coexistence and friendship with the Jewish state, rather than living their lives in order to annihilate it... well, good luck," he told Fox News.
Hamas has not received U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza ceasefire plan, the Palestinian group which runs the enclave said on Saturday as Israeli forces expanded their assault on Gaza City.Trump to push Netanyahu on Gaza peace plan at White House — AFP News
US President Donald Trump will host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Monday for high-stakes talks aimed at sealing an elusive Gaza peace agreement.
The comments came after Israeli newspaper Haaretz cited sources saying Hamas had agreed in principle to release all the Israeli hostages it holds in return for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and the gradual withdrawal of Israeli troops under Trump's plan.
Also included in the proposal were the end of Hamas rule in Gaza, and Israel agreeing not to annex the territory and drive out Palestinians living there, Haaretz reported.
"Hamas has not been presented with any plan," a Hamas official who asked not to be named told Reuters.
Hamad then described talks with US President Donald Trump to end the Gaza war as “frozen,” the report added, despite Trump saying that talks with Middle Eastern players on Gaza were productive.Hamas says it has not received Trump plan as Israel expands Gaza City assault — Reuters
Hamas has not received U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza ceasefire plan, the Palestinian group which runs the enclave said on Saturday as Israeli forces expanded their assault on Gaza City.
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View attachment 31335'Hamas has no regrets of Oct. 7,' terror group official tells CNN after surviving Doha strike — The Jerusalem Post
Hamad falsely stated in the CNN interview that the terror organization only attacked military targets and that they "never intended to kidnap civilians."
I’m thinking you’re throwing out a vague catchphrase without an explanation behind it, and was asking for clarification.
Catch phrase? If Benji is arrested it ends the coalition with the JKK. They are the reason the holocaustages are still being held, why Hamas still fights and the Zionist shit stain on the Global gonch grows and grows. That shit stain isn't going to wash out.
Arrest warrants were issued in November 2024 for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, including allegations of starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, murder, and intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population.
Charges against Hamas leaders
Arrest warrants were issued for Hamas leaders in connection with the October 7, 2023, attack, though some were later withdrawn. These charges include crimes against humanity like extermination, murder, torture, and rape, as well as war crimes such as taking hostages and cruel treatment.