Who's watching the debate?

Avro

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Didn't see the debate but saw some highlights, Harper looked like he wanted to jump across the table and kill them all, Dion wasn't a disaster which surprised me, May was very good a quick on her feet and Jack roasted both Harper and Dion.

From an optics view I think either Jack or May won this debate.

Another thing, if Harper doesn't have a hidden agenda why has he not released a platform, I mean, you cons were blabbering on about voting on policy....well....wtf is his policy?:roll:
 

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I sometimes wonder if the indignation of the Albertans over any tough talk with regards to oil revenue, and exploration of greener energy is because if green energy surpassed oil as the fuel of choice, it would bankrupt the oil industry, then they would be in the same boat as the rest of the country...

Possibly worse, as I doubt it will be in Alberta that the next great alternative energy source is discovered and developed...

A have province relegated to have-not overnight, but with the super-inflated mortgage hanging over their weary heads...

If I was an Albertan, I'd probably be railing against alternative energy too...

No one is 'railing against alternative energy'. Please show where I have suggested that alternative energy is bad.

Its a matter of 1. whether the Prime Minister has jurisdiction over natural resource revenue (no), and 2. whether Canada (nationally) could handle throwing Alberta and Saskatchewan into recessions (no).

The fact of the matter is, oil and natural gas will be the primary sources of energy for at least another ten or fifteen years. There is no way for global markets to shift to using different energy product.

As an example, did you know that asbestos is still being manufactured in Ontario for sale in developing economies? The same will happen with oil and gas, and there is no way to stop that. Oil and gas will still be viable for years. But, if some would have their way, not in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
 

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I watched the entire Canadian debate from start to finish with little interuption and here's what I saw:

#5 - Harper got torn apart, and for me, the "Stay the Course" and "The numbers say things are good" didn't cut it for me and he avoided many of the main issues. Sure we may have gained more jobs then lost, but look at the details of those gains and loses. A lot of jobs have been created in the oil sands, but a lot of jobs all accross Canada have suffered and lost.... and while Alberta maybe getting a load of jobs, people and development (And good on them) there has been very little development elsewhere in the country, esspecially in the Maritimes.

Not bothering to give a sh*t about all the people who have lost their jobs and telling us "We'll put the money where there is a market, which is in new developments and new technologies, etc." doesn't cut it for these people, including myself. Most of these people are either not currently working because they got laid off, or they're working more then one job to keep ends met..... I highly doubt any of these people have the money in their lives to go back to college/university to get training into these jobs and to start their lives all over again..... most who've worked in their industries for 30 years or so...... what about them?

His whole concept of destroying the Universal health care in order to allow US private companies to come into our country and gain some money from us is totally unacceptable.

He basically kept on the route of staying the course and everything will be just fine..... well that didn't work for the US, and it's certainly not working here right now.

Him wanting to cut the arts funding is a joke. Just because those who don't work in the industry don't understand what that will mean, doesn't mean it's a good idea. We should be working more in our arts, not taking away from it..... that's where a lot of money can come from for the entire nation.

Rather then balancing the money, funds and programs for all Canadians, Harper wants to put all his money into the oil industry and the other projects that can bring in all kinds of money.... that might work good for some in the nation, but it doesn't work for everybody, myself included.

In my opinion, Harper did the worst in the debate when it comes to swaying my opinion.

#4 Dion I have to say did impress me..... ever so slightly. He has been working on his English and he did pretty good for himself through most of the debate. He did seem to lose his control of the English language near the end of the debate, however that didn't bother me so much. What did bother me was that like all other Liberals in the past, he sounded just like all the other Liberals before a big election. Harper sounded just like a Conservative and Dion sounded just like another Liberal, dishing out more promises and lacking in details.

He still never went into details about the faults in his Income Tax neutral plan, therefore that is still a big dent in his appearance for me. The Liberals conduct through most of the previous government was brought up, although a lot more nicer then I would have addressed, and Dion for the most part, didn't sway my view either. Besides his improved English and ability to speak soft and sensual to the camera once in a while, I didn't see anything impressive come his way.

#3 Dueppe He did pretty good I must say. He didn't give a big monster impression of wanting to destroy the entire country to serve Quebecs' interests, lol.... he did bring up some very good points, some ligit concerns, and several times, Harper avoided answering his questions. If I could have voted for him, he'd be my third choice. He does seem to be of some sound mind and for once, he didn't focus all his attention on Quebec this and Quebec that, but addressed many concerns that are felt accross the nation.

#2 May She did pretty good for herself. I was impressed for the most part, but she still lacks political professionalism when communicated with many of the other parties in the debate. Out of all the people in the debate, she seemed to be the worst of following the debate rules on letting one person talk at a time and continually interupting others when they were talking. She also tried to squeeze as much in as she could, even after being told to cut it a few times by the mediator/moderator.

Although I am completely used to her attitude and how she carries herself, as I was born and raised in the exact same place she was, it's certainly not how I would have carried myself in that debate. Her Attitude is good when you're hanging out at Acropole Pizza on Provost St. shooting the crap with other locals, but when you want to connect to the entire country, I think one should step up their professionalism.

While she had many good ideas and plans, I remember I think one or two that didn't sound all that right to me. Overall, she did well for her first time in the debate, but I don't think she is ready to lead the nation just yet. Perhaps in another couple of years, but not now.

#1 Layton In my opinion, kicked just about everybody's ass in the debate. While he did drag Dion and Harper through the alley in most of the debate, he had the ability to attack with his proposals and plans, while the others usually just attacked..... his debating was diverse and in my opinion, he did the best job in controlling the whole debate overall. He was very direct, easy to understand and he brought the frustration of average Canadians to the table and threw them in the laps of those who created them.

He, along with May, were the best at bringing focus to the middle class, those who have worked decades in a job they loved, who now no longer have one, he brought focus to the tax cuts for Exxon Harper gave, he brought attention to the level in which Harper is not doing anything for the environment, in regards to piss poor environmental policies which don't counter the amount of production in the oil sands. He brought out his plans, explained them very well, and when I boil it right down to the nit and grit, and to which person I think had the devotion, attitude and the balls (figure of speech to those who like May) to bring the concerns to the people in question..... to me, he'd make a good Prime Minister and I have yet to see anything as a major deterrant to the party's abilities.

Both the Liberals and Conservatives had the same old attitude..... they've been in their positions for so long, they seemed relaxed in their responses..... like they had a plan and it's all good. Layton and May, the new parties, had that typical worker's attitude.... you're there and paid to do a job, and so you get the job done. You being in the position you currently are in isn't a gift to the country, you're there to do something...... and they had that attitude that they were going to do something.

Moderator/Mediator Overall it was pretty good. There were a few times that things got a bit out of hand with everybody talking, but it wasn't for long. I would have been a lot more straight forward with them and kept things the way they should have, but every other debate I have seen in the past, there were always moments where everybody got a bit out of hand..... so I can't blame the mediator for all of it. He would have sucked if they went on fighting for a few minutes and he couldn't bring it down.... but usually it was just for a few seconds.

Debate Overall I was impressed, and although it did not change my position or who I plan to vote for, it did allow me to confirm or understand more of what the other parties intend to do.

Dion doesn't seem as much of a dork as I once thought, but I'm still not voting for him

Harper proved to me that he is a Terminator sent back from the future to kill mankind.

Duceppe showed me his not just an angry French Guy pissed off at the rest of the country and can debate other things.

May showed me that she's not all about hype of being something different, but she and the party has a few more years to go before I can put much confidence in their abilities.

Layton confirmed my views on how he carries himself, his party's objectives, showed that he's not afraid to go after the big guys when he has to, and 98% of the time, held his own on just about every subject or poop flung his way. He was very direct, very straight forward and didn't run around questions and avoid them like many of the other parties.

Added:

As it goes for the US debate with the Vices, I didn't watch any of it. I seen a bit of a run down by reporters on how they saw it, and apparently it was all "Soft, warm and fuzzy" as both were very friendly to each other, talked about each other's families and directed all their debate on the presidential runners and not against each other..... sounded pretty boring.
 

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Poll gives nod to Harper, with Layton second


Meagan Fitzpatrick, Canwest News Service

Published: Thursday, October 02, 2008
OTTAWA - Stephen Harper came out ahead of his political opponents in the English-language leaders debate Thursday night, but New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton was a formidable match for the prime minister, according to viewers who answered a survey during the broadcast.
The online Ipsos Reid poll conducted for Canwest News Service and Global National found 31 per cent of voters said Harper won the debate, and Layton was second with 25 per cent. In third place was the newcomer to the leaders' debates, Green Leader Elizabeth May, with 17 per cent of respondents saying she was the winner, followed by the opposition leader, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, with 15 per cent.


No he didn't. I'd say a tossup between Ms. May and Mr. Layton. Mr. Harper came in third, Mr. Duceppe fourth (and only because he wasn't really focused on), Mr. Dion fifth.

Mr. Harper did extremely well, all things considered. How he kept his cool after Layton gave the "Either you don't care or you're incompetent" line, I have no idea. He even managed to keep his poker face. :lol:
 

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I watched the entire Canadian debate from start to finish with little interuption and here's what I saw:

#5 - Harper got torn apart, and for me, the "Stay the Course" and "The numbers say things are good" didn't cut it for me and he avoided many of the main issues. Sure we may have gained more jobs then lost, but look at the details of those gains and loses. A lot of jobs have been created in the oil sands, but a lot of jobs all accross Canada have suffered and lost.... and while Alberta maybe getting a load of jobs, people and development (And good on them) there has been very little development elsewhere in the country, esspecially in the Maritimes.

Not bothering to give a sh*t about all the people who have lost their jobs and telling us "We'll put the money where there is a market, which is in new developments and new technologies, etc." doesn't cut it for these people, including myself. Most of these people are either not currently working because they got laid off, or they're working more then one job to keep ends met..... I highly doubt any of these people have the money in their lives to go back to college/university to get training into these jobs and to start their lives all over again..... most who've worked in their industries for 30 years or so...... what about them?

His whole concept of destroying the Universal health care in order to allow US private companies to come into our country and gain some money from us is totally unacceptable.

He basically kept on the route of staying the course and everything will be just fine..... well that didn't work for the US, and it's certainly not working here right now.

Him wanting to cut the arts funding is a joke. Just because those who don't work in the industry don't understand what that will mean, doesn't mean it's a good idea. We should be working more in our arts, not taking away from it..... that's where a lot of money can come from for the entire nation.

Rather then balancing the money, funds and programs for all Canadians, Harper wants to put all his money into the oil industry and the other projects that can bring in all kinds of money.... that might work good for some in the nation, but it doesn't work for everybody, myself included.

In my opinion, Harper did the worst in the debate when it comes to swaying my opinion.

#4 Dion I have to say did impress me..... ever so slightly. He has been working on his English and he did pretty good for himself through most of the debate. He did seem to lose his control of the English language near the end of the debate, however that didn't bother me so much. What did bother me was that like all other Liberals in the past, he sounded just like all the other Liberals before a big election. Harper sounded just like a Conservative and Dion sounded just like another Liberal, dishing out more promises and lacking in details.

He still never went into details about the faults in his Income Tax neutral plan, therefore that is still a big dent in his appearance for me. The Liberals conduct through most of the previous government was brought up, although a lot more nicer then I would have addressed, and Dion for the most part, didn't sway my view either. Besides his improved English and ability to speak soft and sensual to the camera once in a while, I didn't see anything impressive come his way.

#3 Dueppe He did pretty good I must say. He didn't give a big monster impression of wanting to destroy the entire country to serve Quebecs' interests, lol.... he did bring up some very good points, some ligit concerns, and several times, Harper avoided answering his questions. If I could have voted for him, he'd be my third choice. He does seem to be of some sound mind and for once, he didn't focus all his attention on Quebec this and Quebec that, but addressed many concerns that are felt accross the nation.

#2 May She did pretty good for herself. I was impressed for the most part, but she still lacks political professionalism when communicated with many of the other parties in the debate. Out of all the people in the debate, she seemed to be the worst of following the debate rules on letting one person talk at a time and continually interupting others when they were talking. She also tried to squeeze as much in as she could, even after being told to cut it a few times by the mediator/moderator.

Although I am completely used to her attitude and how she carries herself, as I was born and raised in the exact same place she was, it's certainly not how I would have carried myself in that debate. Her Attitude is good when you're hanging out at Acropole Pizza on Provost St. shooting the crap with other locals, but when you want to connect to the entire country, I think one should step up their professionalism.

While she had many good ideas and plans, I remember I think one or two that didn't sound all that right to me. Overall, she did well for her first time in the debate, but I don't think she is ready to lead the nation just yet. Perhaps in another couple of years, but not now.

#1 Layton In my opinion, kicked just about everybody's ass in the debate. While he did drag Dion and Harper through the alley in most of the debate, he had the ability to attack with his proposals and plans, while the others usually just attacked..... his debating was diverse and in my opinion, he did the best job in controlling the whole debate overall. He was very direct, easy to understand and he brought the frustration of average Canadians to the table and threw them in the laps of those who created them.

He, along with May, were the best at bringing focus to the middle class, those who have worked decades in a job they loved, who now no longer have one, he brought focus to the tax cuts for Exxon Harper gave, he brought attention to the level in which Harper is not doing anything for the environment, in regards to piss poor environmental policies which don't counter the amount of production in the oil sands. He brought out his plans, explained them very well, and when I boil it right down to the nit and grit, and to which person I think had the devotion, attitude and the balls (figure of speech to those who like May) to bring the concerns to the people in question..... to me, he'd make a good Prime Minister and I have yet to see anything as a major deterrant to the party's abilities.

Both the Liberals and Conservatives had the same old attitude..... they've been in their positions for so long, they seemed relaxed in their responses..... like they had a plan and it's all good. Layton and May, the new parties, had that typical worker's attitude.... you're there and paid to do a job, and so you get the job done. You being in the position you currently are in isn't a gift to the country, you're there to do something...... and they had that attitude that they were going to do something.

Moderator/Mediator Overall it was pretty good. There were a few times that things got a bit out of hand with everybody talking, but it wasn't for long. I would have been a lot more straight forward with them and kept things the way they should have, but every other debate I have seen in the past, there were always moments where everybody got a bit out of hand..... so I can't blame the mediator for all of it. He would have sucked if they went on fighting for a few minutes and he couldn't bring it down.... but usually it was just for a few seconds.

Debate Overall I was impressed, and although it did not change my position or who I plan to vote for, it did allow me to confirm or understand more of what the other parties intend to do.

Dion doesn't seem as much of a dork as I once thought, but I'm still not voting for him

Harper proved to me that he is a Terminator sent back from the future to kill mankind.

Duceppe showed me his not just an angry French Guy pissed off at the rest of the country and can debate other things.

May showed me that she's not all about hype of being something different, but she and the party has a few more years to go before I can put much confidence in their abilities.

Layton confirmed my views on how he carries himself, his party's objectives, showed that he's not afraid to go after the big guys when he has to, and 98% of the time, held his own on just about every subject or poop flung his way. He was very direct, very straight forward and didn't run around questions and avoid them like many of the other parties.

Added:

As it goes for the US debate with the Vices, I didn't watch any of it. I seen a bit of a run down by reporters on how they saw it, and apparently it was all "Soft, warm and fuzzy" as both were very friendly to each other, talked about each other's families and directed all their debate on the presidential runners and not against each other..... sounded pretty boring.

Good Morning Prax,
Very good analysis. Nice to see you are beginning to respect Dion and Duceppe.
As for the VP debate, you didn't need to watch. Too scripted and IMPHO poorly moderated.

Regards,
scratch

 

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The fact of the matter is, oil and natural gas will be the primary sources of energy for at least another ten or fifteen years. There is no way for global markets to shift to using different energy product.
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10-15 years is a pretty small chunk of time LRG - but it may be enough to propel our economy in a new direction... if we start now. A little proactive thought now could go a long way to alleviating a shell shocked economy when the market for oil begins to dry up. Other countries are making it their goal to not just get oil-free, but to turn a tidy profit while they're at it - and they're implementing measures now to get there. Where is that gonna leave us?
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Green business: Scandinavia's lateral thinkers

Between 1990 and 2006, Sweden cut its carbon emissions by 9% - largely exceeding the target set by the Kyoto Protocol – while enjoying real economic growth of 44%...

"There will be no belief in green industries without the belief that you can make money out of it," reckons Eklund. "This, not concern for the environment, is the biggest motivator for change."
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Landmark New Report Says Emerging Green Economy Could Create Tens of Millions of New "Green Jobs"
New York, 24 September 2008 (ILO/UNEP)-A new, landmark study on the impact of an emerging global "green economy" on the world of work says efforts to tackle climate change could result in the creation of millions of new "green jobs" in the coming decades.
.....The report finds that green markets have thrived and transformation has advanced most where there has been strong and consistent political support at the highest level...
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... if you read the full article in that last link, I think you'll see that it won't be without troubles at first - but the payoff is there, and the price is inevitable. I'd rather see us readying ourselves now for the inevitable - in every possible way, it's just going to get more problematic the longer we wait.

... A search on Green Economies might surprise you. It's not only doable, it's being done - with or without us.

 

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No he didn't. I'd say a tossup between Ms. May and Mr. Layton. Mr. Harper came in third, Mr. Duceppe fourth (and only because he wasn't really focused on), Mr. Dion fifth.

Mr. Harper did extremely well, all things considered. How he kept his cool after Layton gave the "Either you don't care or you're incompetent" line, I have no idea. He even managed to keep his poker face. :lol:

Yeah that was a pretty good line.... I even had to say out loud "Burn!"

But in honesty, Harper should have stepped up a bit better then he did.... the Run-Of-The-Mill Microsoft PC attitude did nothing for me.
 

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I sometimes wonder if the indignation of the Albertans over any tough talk with regards to oil revenue, and exploration of greener energy is because if green energy surpassed oil as the fuel of choice, it would bankrupt the oil industry, then they would be in the same boat as the rest of the country...

Possibly worse, as I doubt it will be in Alberta that the next great alternative energy source is discovered and developed...

A have province relegated to have-not overnight, but with the super-inflated mortgage hanging over their weary heads...

If I was an Albertan, I'd probably be railing against alternative energy too...

I hear Alpaca farming is quite lucrative though...:p

So ... doesn't slowing (not completely stopping) production so you can earn over a longer period rather than Exxon taking it all overnight make sense?
 

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You answered your own question. They are already banned, to say they need to be banned shows he is talking without thinking.

Do you really expect any politician to come right out and say: "there's not a damned thing we can do about it short of raid everywhere in Canada on witch hunts for handguns." He has to say something for the everything bad crowd - just like everyone else. Just like anyone who knows reality, I suspect he knows if someone wants a gun ... he'll get a gun. The point is, there will be more cops out there (with guns, by the way) to catch him.
 

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So ... doesn't slowing (not completely stopping) production so you can earn over a longer period rather than Exxon taking it all overnight make sense?

No, from an Albertans stand point I wouldn't want to slow production, get the money while you can. If oil decreases in value (and it will) when alternative energy comes on line profits will shrink because it is very expensive to get oil out of the sand. If Alberta thinks we will subsidize this forever they have another thing coming.:lol:
 

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No, from an Albertans stand point I wouldn't want to slow production, get the money while you can. If oil decreases in value (and it will) when alternative energy comes on line profits will shrink because it is very expensive to get oil out of the sand. If Alberta thinks we will subsidize this forever they have another thing coming.:lol:

From an Albertan's standpoint, subsidized or not, once mopped from the ground, that stuff is never coming back. The jobs are gone forever. All that remain are some really expensive ghost towns and one muck of a fess. If it is slowed - even 25% - not so much gets spilled and they have jobs a little longer - at least until the Protonmobile is on the road. This is one place where it might be better off to treat it like a government job and let Exxon put a little back into the economy.
 

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From an Albertan's standpoint, subsidized or not, once mopped from the ground, that stuff is never coming back. The jobs are gone forever. All that remain are some really expensive ghost towns and one muck of a fess. If it is slowed - even 25% - not so much gets spilled and they have jobs a little longer - at least until the Protonmobile is on the road. This is one place where it might be better off to treat it like a government job and let Exxon put a little back into the economy.

There are over a trillion barrels of oil in the oil sands, I hardly think they have to worry about it drying up.

they should worry more about competition.....cleaner competition...in particular hydrogen, bi-product being steam, aka water.
 

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10-15 years is a pretty small chunk of time LRG - but it may be enough to propel our economy in a new direction... if we start now. A little proactive thought now could go a long way to alleviating a shell shocked economy when the market for oil begins to dry up. Other countries are making it their goal to not just get oil-free, but to turn a tidy profit while they're at it - and they're implementing measures now to get there. Where is that gonna leave us?

The point is that we don't have to do this right this second. It can wait for a couple of years while we work through the economic problems the world is having right now.

... if you read the full article in that last link, I think you'll see that it won't be without troubles at first - but the payoff is there, and the price is inevitable. I'd rather see us readying ourselves now for the inevitable - in every possible way, it's just going to get more problematic the longer we wait.

... A search on Green Economies might surprise you. It's not only doable, it's being done - with or without us.


Again, I'm not objecting to getting it done. I'm objecting to getting it done right this second.
 

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The tar sands ia the filthiest, dirtiest, ecological disaster ever created. It is killing birds and fish and it is destroying the Athabaska river for anyone downstream of that mess. It is the dirtiest project in the world. It is disgusting that it wasn't brought up in the debate. The toxic tailing ponds have leached into the river and what killed the ducks and geese will now kill the fish. It will get as lot worse before it gets better....If it ever gets better.
 

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The tar sands ia the filthiest, dirtiest, ecological disaster ever created. It is killing birds and fish and it is destroying the Athabaska river for anyone downstream of that mess. It is the dirtiest project in the world. It is disgusting that it wasn't brought up in the debate. The toxic tailing ponds have leached into the river and what killed the ducks and geese will now kill the fish. It will get as lot worse before it gets better....If it ever gets better.

It wasn't brought up because the party's are looking for votes which is ridiculous because Harper will sweep Alberta.

They should have hammered him on it.
 

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You're right Juan - that aspect of the issue was pretty well ignored last night.

After the debate, I was thinking also about the Health Care issue - I would have liked to hear alot more concrete plans on this. One aspect I haven't heard addressed is the issue of un-licensed immigrant professionals. We have a pretty vast pool of untapped medical, educational and other professional resources right here under our noses - driving cabs and making sandwhiches for minimum wage for gawds sake!....The current system of certification and licensing upon their arrival to Canada is way too long and drawn out, and I suspect, expensive. There has to be a way to shorten this process. Determine what upgrading these people need, offer it as close to free as possible, and get them out there on the front lines helping address this horrid shortage of doctors. If necessary, create a special program of condensed upgrading to expediate the process. Even while they're in the process of upgrading, I'm sure there has to be a way to get them working in limited capacities to help out where they can meet Canadian standards of qualification.

Granting debt-free assistance to student doctors is a great idea - and it'll pay off nicely when they complete their education in years to come... but we need solutions now.
 

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Back on the main topic a bit:

Here's a layout of what an "Expert" thought about the debate last night:



Style versus substance? Expert critiques the leaders
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...ate_style_081003/20081003?s_name=election2008

Thursday night's federal debate was a study in style as the party leaders strove to appear prime-ministerial while connecting with ordinary Canadians, defending their record and lashing out at their opponents.

Bernard Gauthier, a partner with public relations firm Delta Media Inc., tells CTV's Canada AM the leaders all had their strengths and weaknesses in the battle to combine lasting substance with likable style.

Stephen Harper

As a community punching bag who spent most of the debate -- as well as the Wednesday night French-language debate -- on the defence, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper held up very well, Gauthier said.

Harper used body language to his advantage, often leaning towards the camera and using the table to his advantage. He also wasn't afraid to strike out against his opponents when the opportunity presented itself.

"He didn't hide at all from getting back and really making shots at his opponents so I thought he did well and really hung on like a marathon runner," Gauthier said.

It wasn't until the hour-and-a-half mark that Harper started to show signs the constant attacks were getting to him.

"There were a few moments when he kind of closed his eyes a bit and you could tell he was a bit exasperated, but at the same time I thought that when it was his turn to rebut the attacks he did very, very well," he said.

Stephane Dion

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion -- who has the weakest English of all the contenders -- appeared intent on connecting with the audience, Gauthier said.

"He tended to begin with talking to the person who posed the question and then he'd turn and talk to the audience at home. That's actually not a bad technique. You get the sense when you're at home that he's talking to you," Gauthier said.

"Some of his strongest moments were when he was looking squarely at the camera, and he would tilt his head a little bit and really came across as sincere."

Jack Layton

New Democrat leader Jack Layton demonstrated his skills as a strong communicator during the debate, taking shots at both Harper and Dion and making a clear attempt to connect with the viewers.

"He looks squarely at the camera, he's patient, delivers slowly, and really comes across as quite empathetic to the viewers at home. He had really, really strong momentum, he went on the attack a few times and really quite effectively," Gauthier said.

He came up short, however, when several attempts to be clever fell flat.

"Some of his lines are a bit too cute -- 'Are you hiding your platform under your sweater?' and again later in the debate he made another line about 'Are you hiding it under your sweater?' and I think that's where he does himself a bit of a disservice and comes across too slick," Gauthier said.

Elizabeth May

The surprise performer of the night was Green Party leader Elizabeth May, Gauthier said. Though at one point it looked as though she wouldn't even be allowed to participate, May delivered a strong performance and appeared as though she belonged in the debate, he said.

"I was hoping she would bring a higher level of energy and a little bit of colour to the debate and she absolutely did," he said.

"Everything was really polished. She looked like she belonged on the national stage and that's important. What surprised me and perhaps people at home was just how well prepared she was, how well briefed. She often had very specific points to make very clear, coherent arguments. I was really impressed."

May's inexperience, Gauthier said, was evident in some of her exchanges with Harper when she used strong language in her criticism of his policies.

"She used words like stupid and fraud that I thought were inappropriate for a national leaders' debate, but that was a small misstep, just a few of them in an otherwise really good performance," Gauthier said.

Pretty much how I seen it anyways.... give or take.