It appears that Dion won the first round in the debate

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According to an Ipso/Reid poll
• 41 per cent of voters said Mr. Dion offered the best policies and ideas during the debate. In second was Mr. Duceppe at 22 per cent, Mr. Layton at 19 per cent, Mr. Harper at 13 per cent and Ms. May at 1 per cent.
 

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From the bits I saw I'd have to agree and I'm quite shocked, I expected Dion to fold under pressure but he didn't.

This isn't god for Harpers chance of a majority and that's fine with me.:smile:
 

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I thought Harper was continually tripping over his past blunders and Dion got stronger as the debate went on.
 

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Dion was suffering in the polls and this should help him a bit. Unless Harper pulls off a miracle tonight, the CPC can kiss any majority goodbye.
 

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Dosen't matter, the damage in Quebec is done, Harper will not get his majority now I'll bet anyone who wants to on it.

I wasn't saying that as a good thing for Harper.... nor was I saying it'd be a good thing for Dion.... but I see Dion as someone who probably can handle his own in french better then he could in English as recent history has shown..... to me, him doing decent in the French debate was a given.

But I don't expect him to have the same umph trying to keep up with the english debate..... either way I will be watching it tonight.

I'll check the highlights of Palin screwing up tomorrow. :p
 

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I wasn't saying that as a good thing for Harper.... nor was I saying it'd be a good thing for Dion.... but I see Dion as someone who probably can handle his own in french better then he could in English as recent history has shown..... to me, him doing decent in the French debate was a given.

But I don't expect him to have the same umph trying to keep up with the english debate..... either way I will be watching it tonight.

Dion probably won't win the English part of the debate but we should be listening to what the candidates are saying rather than worrying about how they are saying it.. Dion's English, though accented, is probably better than many on these forums.
 
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Dion probably won't win the English part of the debate but we should be listening to what the candidates are saying rather than worrying about how they are saying it.. Dion's English, though accented, is probably better than many on these forums.

Eye Doont Under'stand zee pose'bili'tea ov dat bee'ing tru.... huh huh huh.

But don't get me wrong, I'll be listening to what they have to say, but how they say it goes hand in hand for me......

If I can't understand the guy (any guy) I sure as hell don't want to spend 4 years or so having him as a leader.

Actually the annoyance of trying to understand him is just icing on the cake over top of the long list of other things that makes me oppose the Liberals in the first place.

#1 - The sponsorship scandal wasn't that long ago and a chunk of those in the party at the time are still in the party.... and was one of the main reasons why they lost power in the first place. I don't think any party learns their lessons in that short period of time.

#2 - The Carbon Tax idea is stupid..... a lump of sh*t by any other name is still a lump of sh*t..... and no matter what explinations he can have on how it works will not cover the main concerns I have already stated numerous times in a few other threads before..... esspecially in regards to not everybody living here in Canada having the ability to file for income tax to get their money back..... and in my case where I can, the student loan jackasses take all my income tax anyways, so I still don't get my money back

#3 - The Liberals are just the same garbage as the Conservatives, trading back and forth, from one party to the other, over and over again..... when the public seems fed up with one party, they seem to forget why they tossed out the other party, and vote them back in again, just to continue this idiotic cycle.

But we'll see how it goes tonight I suppose.
 

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Is your French as good as Dion's English?

But don't get me wrong, I'll be listening to what they have to say, but how they say it goes hand in hand for me......

If I can't understand the guy (any guy) I sure as hell don't want to spend 4 years or so having him as a leader.

Actually the annoyance of trying to understand him is just icing on the cake over top of the long list of other things that makes me oppose the Liberals in the first place.

You've made no secret of your hatred of the Liberals. Don't try to paint it a different colour.

#1 - The sponsorship scandal wasn't that long ago and a chunk of those in the party at the time are still in the party.... and was one of the main reasons why they lost power in the first place. I don't think any party learns their lessons in that short period of time.

The sponsorship scandal was small potatoes and a good part of the money was recovered and people went to jail,

#2 - The Carbon Tax idea is stupid..... a lump of sh*t by any other name is still a lump of sh*t..... and no matter what explinations he can have on how it works will not cover the main concerns I have already stated numerous times in a few other threads before..... esspecially in regards to not everybody living here in Canada having the ability to file for income tax to get their money back..... and in my case where I can, the student loan jackasses take all my income tax anyways, so I still don't get my money back

Did you think fighting global warming was going to be free?


#3 - The Liberals are just the same garbage as the Conservatives, trading back and forth, from one party to the other, over and over again..... when the public seems fed up with one party, they seem to forget why they tossed out the other party, and vote them back in again, just to continue this idiotic cycle.

It's called politics. We've been voting for or against politicians for a hundred and forty years. or didn't you notice?
 

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Did you think fighting global warming was going to be free?
Would plan on spending trillions to halt tides or to get Earth to revolve a different direction so BC gets sunlight first? Global warning is an Earth Cycle. It's coming whether we live in caves and walk to stop it or not. Develop the technologies? By all means. Go into a panic because the sky is falling? Does that make sense?
 

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GO DION GO!
Maybe he'll go and get a plan.

Dion's plan for the economy: He's going to get a plan for the economy
Posted: October 02, 2008, 11:13 AM by Jonathan Kay
Stéphane Dion: nice guy, but with an annoying habit of outsourcing his judgment to others. Last week, this took the form of asking the Canadian Jewish Congress to make the call on whether 9/11 conspiracy theorist Lesley Hughes should be turfed. This week, he took the same approach on the economy.
Here's Dion at last night's French-language debate, boldly declaring that he will institute a massive reform of our economy — as soon as the nation's Very Smart People tell him what exactly said reform should look like:
>Stephane Dion<**: (Voice of Translator): SO YOU'RE PERFECTLY RIGHT, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO SOMETHING. WE CAN'T JUST LET THINGS CONDITION. SO MYSELF, I PROMISE THAT WITHIN THE FIRST 30 DAYS THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WILL ASK THE REGULATORY AGENCIES OF CANADA, LIKE THE BANK OF CANADA THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT IT BETTER PROTECTS THE SAVINGS OF CANADIANS. AND SO THE MAJOR ECONOMISTS SHOULD ALSO GIVE US AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CANADIAN AND THE WORLD SITUATION.
I especially like the idea that Canada's "major economists" should stand and deliver "an assessment of the Canadian and the world situation" on his command — as if this were some novel exercise for people who make their living doing just that.
In fact, it seems Canada's "major economists" have already delivered their pronouncements. If Stéphane is really interested in what they have to say, he might want to click here — and here, here, here and here. Or better yet: here. It turns out that these Very Smart People have been thinking about these issues for many months — while the chief of the Liberal Party was daydreaming about a carbon tax no one wants.
 

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Would plan on spending trillions to halt tides or to get Earth to revolve a different direction so BC gets sunlight first? Global warning is an Earth Cycle. It's coming whether we live in caves and walk to stop it or not. Develop the technologies? By all means. Go into a panic because the sky is falling? Does that make sense?

Who has panicked? It makes sense to have a plan. Dion says the plan will be revenue neutral. I wonder what Harper's plan is? Or Layton's?
 

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Is your French as good as Dion's English?

My French is pretty well non-existent.... then again... I'm not trying to become Prime Minister now am I? So what does it matter?

If he's going to represent me and the rest of the country, he best get better with his English and debating skills...... Jean Chretien Level would be good enough.

You've made no secret of your hatred of the Liberals. Don't try to paint it a different colour.

I haven't painted a different anything... I'm just adding further details on the things I don't like about the LIberals or Dion.... suck it up, get used to it.... not everybody's gonna love your precious little party.

The sponsorship scandal was small potatoes and a good part of the money was recovered and people went to jail,

Doesn't matter, there should have been more oversight and control over the fools who were responsible for it.

with that, along with the HST bullsh*t scam, there is no trust in that party, and the carbon tax plan reeks of very much the same tactics as the HST scam.

Whoopie doo a couple of people went to jail and some of the money was recovered.... the damn thing shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Did you think fighting global warming was going to be free?

Sure why not?

Of course it's going to cost some money to make changes, that was not what I was implying..... what I am implying is that the carbon tax has got to be the worst plan with no final goals or direction.

As if the Taxes on tobacco has done anything good except create a larger market for contraband.

You want to make some real change? Then change the laws and regulation to force those companies to reduce their pollution or face fines and possible shut down.... don't tax the shat out of them in a way that they can easily pass the buck off to the consumers, ie: us.

That's just stupid.

Oh yeah.... and you completely avoided the point of the income taxes... just like every other Liberal Lover I've pointed it out to..... thanks for proving my point though.

If there is no ligitamate counter argument, then what I stated is in fact true.....

• Everybody who lives in Canada will have to pay more for just about everything they use on an everyday basis.

• A good chunk of people who live in Canada who can not file income tax, such as Immigrants, people here on work visas or who don't make enough due to disabilities.... or people who have their income taxes taken away from them from greedy corrupt companies, such as myself..... will never get any of that money back.

Screw that... Dion and the LIberals can continue to slide to third place, cuz I and many others sure as hell ain't voting for this dumbass plan.

It's called politics. We've been voting for or against politicians for a hundred and forty years. or didn't you notice?

No it's not called politics, it's call being an idiot..... just like the US giving people a farce and calling it democracy.... two parties are always voted into power.... Democrats or Republicans..... Liberals or Conservatives...... good cop, bad cop..... they just switch the roles from time to time to make people think some kind of change and improvements will actually happen.

No matter how many times we all get screwed over, no matter how many times they put their own goals ahead of the country, people are just either too damn scared to try a different party, or they're just too damn stupid to learn from past mistakes.

Either way, I will continue to point out their corrupt and two-faced ways and so long as I can get one or two people to vote against both the Liberals and Conservatives, gradually coming to some real so-called "Change" from the norm.... then I might be able to call this a democracy.

Until then, it's a joke.... and the joke is on all of us.
 

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Would plan on spending trillions to halt tides or to get Earth to revolve a different direction so BC gets sunlight first? Global warning is an Earth Cycle. It's coming whether we live in caves and walk to stop it or not. Develop the technologies? By all means. Go into a panic because the sky is falling? Does that make sense?

Indeed.... just because people like to call Climate Change "Global Warming" somehow that makes them think they can fight it or change it.

You can't do either.... except deal with it.
 

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Who has panicked? It makes sense to have a plan. Dion says the plan will be revenue neutral. I wonder what Harper's plan is? Or Layton's?

And I just clearly pointed out that it isn't revenue neutral.... I explained in plain monkey english how it isn't.... you don't even need fancy economic numbers to figure it out, basic common sense explains it perfectly.

If you can not file for income tax or you simply do not get your money back from income taxes from various reasons...... you don't get the money you put in, back into your own pocket.... therefore it is not revenue neutral.

If you can't understand this, or just simply want to run away and not address it, that's not my problem.