A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.

Risus

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housing market fell apart in the 90's for the same reason it's falling apart in the U.S. right now...overinflated market, fully financed properties with no assets to back them up. GST in 1991 had little to do with any of it...If so why the same results in the U.S.?

Do remember as well that the GST was a replacement tax not a new tax. the old manuf. tax was hidden but applied to most of the same items for construction as the gst. As well it was 10% (higher than the GST) The principal different is that you see the GST added ever time you pay for something.
The liberals on here wearing blinders just don't seem to understand that...
 

Avro

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Avro, it is impossibe to debate with you because you are famous for your childish taunts and immature insults. I consider you to be a troll and give as good as I'll get. We've locked horns in the past, don't forget.

You won. Here's your trophy ..!.

I did no such thing Wolf, I merely debated you and you lost. That is the only explanation I have for you resorting to insults.

Please tell me where I insulted you in our discussion?
 

Avro

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housing market fell apart in the 90's for the same reason it's falling apart in the U.S. right now...overinflated market, fully financed properties with no assets to back them up. GST in 1991 had little to do with any of it...If so why the same results in the U.S.?

Do remember as well that the GST was a replacement tax not a new tax. the old manuf. tax was hidden but applied to most of the same items for construction as the gst. As well it was 10% (higher than the GST) The principal different is that you see the GST added ever time you pay for something.


There is a big differnce, the GST was not revenue neutral compared to the MST.
 

ottawabill

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no but no tax or new way of funding ever has been or will be. There was talk of lower prices because of less manf. tax..like that would have happened.

Same with the carbon tax... not neutral
Gun register was to be neutral
Hell income tax was temp!

and Government or supplier /middle man/ seller..be they Conservative/Liberal or Socialist will never let money go..Nor would you or anyone else..it's human nature
 

Avro

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To tell the truth, I don't know. My contract was with Standard Aggregates and it was they who issued the cheques. Canada Cement operated under the LaFarge banner. That was immaterial to me or my company.

So how do you know it was free trade that did this and not the recession?
 

Socrates the Greek

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HARPER WILL HURT OUR ECONOMY, THE CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY WILL SEND CANADIANS TO THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE AND CANADIANS WILL BE TREATED LIKE PIGS……..ALA MULRONEY… BUSH HAS JUST DONE THAT THE AMERICANS ARE RUNNING FOR COVER, WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING YET OF WHAT IS IN THE PIPE… YOU GIVE HARPER A HAND SHAKE AND HE GIVES YOU A PUNCH IN THE NOSE.........
DO NOT TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES............................
 

Colpy

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Please explain how Harper will hurt the economy but Dion is the answer to our problems.

I would especially be interested to learn how the Green Shift (a tax on everything) will help those on fixed incomes, and industry in general.

In addition, you could explain how Dion will increase new spending at well over ten times the Tory commitment.....yet still improve our economy.

Is he Dion? Or Merlin the Magician?
 

Socrates the Greek

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I wonder how many call centres are going to be killed by the No Call list - a FEDERAL program....

Many, typical of the Gestapo boot, walk around dismantling everything and go on telling the Canadian people our economy is in great shape…. F UCKING bull sh!t the productivity in this country is the lowest since the Cons took office….”OUR ECONOMY IS IN GREAT” SHAPE………..HARPER YOU ARE A BUL****ER…
 

Risus

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HARPER WILL HURT OUR ECONOMY, THE CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY WILL SEND CANADIANS TO THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE AND CANADIANS WILL BE TREATED LIKE PIGS……..ALA MULRONEY… BUSH HAS JUST DONE THAT THE AMERICANS ARE RUNNING FOR COVER, WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING YET OF WHAT IS IN THE PIPE… YOU GIVE HARPER A HAND SHAKE AND HE GIVES YOU A PUNCH IN THE NOSE.........
DO NOT TRUST THE CONSERVATIVES............................
Like we should just trust Dion and where his 50 BILLION is coming from??? Give me a break, lol
 

Zzarchov

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Please explain how Harper will hurt the economy but Dion is the answer to our problems.

I would especially be interested to learn how the Green Shift (a tax on everything) will help those on fixed incomes, and industry in general.

In addition, you could explain how Dion will increase new spending at well over ten times the Tory commitment.....yet still improve our economy.

Is he Dion? Or Merlin the Magician?

1.) I don't think Dion is competant, In that i don't trust him for his lax views on "citizenship of convenience". I will not vote for him and hope no one else does.

2.) That said, I would like to address the points you have brought up.

Green Shift: True cost economics if done right, does not help one on fixed incomes in the short term, nor does it harm them.

Marketing 101, companies cannot simply "Raise the prices" to deal with a new tax if the option to reduce it through cost saving means exist. Competition means if you don't, someone else will. In the current market clime, this is the ideal time to force a green shift. If you are the more expensive brand of Ketchup in a time when people are counting every penny, you will fail.

The idea of the green shift is to force people to pay for what they use of our national resources (like clean air and water) based on what they use rather than forcing everyone to pay equally, regardless of behaviour.

The system in place currently for dealing with air and water pollution is communism. It crushes the incentive to be productive or innovate in exactly the same way.

Allowing the free market to enter the arena will also stimulate the economy in areas Canada has strengths in over foreign companies, green technologies. That means more jobs, less unemployment.

All of that results in stronger Industry, and thus either lower prices or better quality for consumers (such as those on fixed incomes), higher quality and durability is in the long run the same as a lower price.


- Increasing Spending

Spending is never a problem. Without spending, the economy would die. Government spending is key to our economy.

This isn't new. The problem is never government spending. Its the return on investment of that spending.

Quite frankly Im worried at how much the economy might shrink under harpers lower spending.


How much is taxed, how much is spent, none of that matters.

What matters is how much more real income does a citizen have? I would rather be taxed at 90% and make 200,000 a year, then be taxed 10% at 15,000 a year.

I would rather Dion spend a hundred billion dollars and make 150 billion, then Harper save 100 billion and shrink the economy by 150 billion.

The net result is what matters.


I hope that answers your questions.