HANDGUNS!!!!.......YIKES!!!!....in canada

ottawabill

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well you do that..sign all the papers and file all the paperwork like a good Canadian..then you'll have your handgun and will take care of it properly and away from street gangs since the gov. knows who you are and what gun you have right? Were all fine..
 

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well you do that..sign all the papers and file all the paperwork like a good Canadian..then you'll have your handgun and will take care of it properly and away from street gangs since the gov. knows who you are and what gun you have right? Were all fine..

I'm not worried about the government. They don't know who I am or what I'm talking about an hour into the phone call. I'll just keep my hand gun close to me so it doesn't get into any trouble.
 

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Sept 23, 2008 08:03 AM

MATTI HUUHTANEN
Associated Press


HELSINKI, Finland–A gunman opened fire at a vocational school for adults in western Finland on Tuesday before shooting himself, police said. Finnish media reported nine people were killed and the gunman was wounded.
The shootings began just before 11 a.m. local time as about 150 students went to class in Kauhajoki, 290 kilometres northwest of Helsinki.
Witnesses said panic broke out as the hooded gunman entered the school and began firing.

"Within a short space of time I heard several dozen rounds of shots; in other words it was an automatic pistol," school janitor Jukka Forsberg told broadcaster YLE.
"I saw some female students who were wailing and moaning and one managed to escape out of the back door."

Another broadcaster, STT, quoted police at the school as saying nine people had been killed.

It also said the school building was on fire and the gunman reportedly had explosives on him.

Jussi Muotio, superintendent of the Kauhajoki police, confirmed that several people had been wounded but could not immediately confirm the deaths. "The incident is over now," Muotio said.

Vesa Nyrhinen, detective superintendent from the local police, declined to say how seriously the gunman was injured. "He was wounded by his own bullets," he said.
However, a Finnish hospital official later said the gunman was ``severely injured" by a gunshot wound to his head.

College rector Timo Varmola told YLE there were 150 students in the school at the time.
The shootings happened almost a year after another gunman killed eight people and himself at a school in southern Finland, an attack that triggered a fierce debate about gun laws in this Nordic nation with deep-rooted traditions of hunting in the sub-Arctic wilderness.

With 1.6 million firearms in private hands, Finland is an anomaly in Europe, lagging behind only the United States and Yemen in civilian gun ownership, studies show.

Finnish media said YouTube clips of a man firing a gun appeared to be linked to the shooting. In one of them, a young man wearing a leather jacket fires several shots in rapid succession with a handgun at what appears to be a shooting range.

The posting was made five days before Tuesday's shooting and the location was given as Kauhajoki. The posting included a message saying: "Whole life is war and whole life is pain. And you will fight alone in your personal war."

The person who posted the clip identified himself as a 22-year-old with the name "Mr. Saari." He also posted three other clips of himself firing a handgun in the last three weeks.
Clips from the 1999 Columbine school shootings in Colorado were listed among his favourite videos.

Police could not immediately confirm whether the postings were linked to Tuesday's shooting.

Last year, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, described by police as a bullied 18-year-old outcast, opened fire at his high school in southern Finland on Nov. 7. He killed six students, a school nurse and the principal before ending his own life with a gunshot to the head.
Finnish investigators have said Auvinen left a suicide note for his family and foreshadowed his attack in YouTube postings.

After Auvinen's rampage, the government said it would raise the minimum age for buying guns from 15 to 18, but insisted there was no need for sweeping changes to Finland's gun laws.
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You see, I think a lot of people just don't realize that a shot to the head doesn't always result in a good kill. Care should be taken to ensure that the perp doesn't become a burden on the community with a properly placed muzzle in the mouth.

Anyone have any special techniques they would like to share?
 

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You see, I think a lot of people just don't realize that a shot to the head doesn't always result in a good kill. Care should be taken to ensure that the perp doesn't become a burden on the community with a properly placed muzzle in the mouth.

Anyone have any special techniques they would like to share?

It depends, if you are a small guy or a big one:take your pick .22 or .44 magnum.;) You all take the bullet out of the gun, using a pair of pliers, remove the projectile, pour the powder into a spoon, then swallow it using your favorite whiskie as a chaser. It probably won't kill you but it's a damn good dewormer:)
 

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Unforgiven said:
You see, I think a lot of people just don't realize that a shot to the head doesn't always result in a good kill. Care should be taken to ensure that the perp doesn't become a burden on the community with a properly placed muzzle in the mouth.

Anyone have any special techniques they would like to share?

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Unforgiven

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I was thinking more along the lines of suicide after the shooting rampage. But hey center mass is a good tip to keep in mind during the rampage, Colpy. Perhaps if this feller took his shot from under the jaw or something, he would have had even more success for his efforts.

Anony, doesn't that give you tummy troubles? I hear oil works pretty good as a dewormer too. ;)
 

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Shame none of them folks at Virginia Tech were allowed to practise their abilities on Mr. Cho..........

You know, Virginia is a "right to carry" state.....but the University bans all guns from the campus.

A very apt illustration.....those willing to ignore the rules murder their helpless victims, those that follow stupid rules are the helpless victims.
 

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Shame none of them folks at Virginia Tech were allowed to practise their abilities on Mr. Cho..........

You know, Virginia is a "right to carry" state.....but the University bans all guns from the campus.

A very apt illustration.....those willing to ignore the rules murder their helpless victims, those that follow stupid rules are the helpless victims.

Sort of like the laws against Pot in this country and the US.
 

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About the rampage, did no one notice the bit about him being armed with explosives and setting the building on fire?
 

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Great Britain banned handguns in January, 1997. But the number of deaths and injuries from gun crime in England and Wales increased 340% in the seven years from 1998 to 2005. The rates of serious violent crime, armed robberies, rapes and homicide have also soared. The Republic of Ireland and Jamaica also experienced large increases in murder rates after enacting handgun bans.

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2008/922.htm
 

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Don't you folks know:) that it is the (L)iberal philosophy, sine they Know Better with their high intelligentence,;)and they know what's best for us the unwashed masses:razz: It is also goal of the united nations that the world be disarmed:roll: Dontcha know that a well armed citizenry keeps government honest? How would you like (The October crisis) to come to all the cities in Canada:) OK, just brush me off as a paranoid (Yank):lol::mrgreen:
 

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Members of armed militia's are nothing more than angry paranoid loners with ugly wives and kids who blow up federal buildings then get pumped full of death juice and die like lab rats.
 

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Things are different here than in the USA because they began their nation with lots of bloody killing[extermination of everyone who stood in the way of expansion]
 

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Things are different here than in the USA because they began their nation with lots of bloody killing[extermination of everyone who stood in the way of expansion]

No.

Things are different here for two reasons....

1. The first battle of the American Revolution was fought by citizen farmers against British troops sent into the countryside to seize weapons.

2. the American Constitution was adopted as the primary law of the land, it could only be changed by the amendment process, which is close to impossible. The Constitution of the USA is superior to all other laws passed. Therefore the right has survived, as illustrated by the recent decision of the Supreme court.The Right to Bear arms is present as well in the British Bill of Rights.....but that structure is considered secondary to the will of Parliament, and so the right has eroded to non-existence in the British tradition. A warning for all other rights.
 

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I am currently reading The Duel: A History of Dueling, by Robert Baldick.

In it, an Italian nobleman scornfully describes Americans "dueling" in the latter part of the 19th Century...

If there is any such thing as an "American" duel, it is what familiarly known as 'shooting on sight". The challenger sends word to his enemy that he will shoot him the next time he sees him, and thereupon the latter arms himself, and takes his walks abroad with much caution, until the two meet, when both begin a brisk fusillade with their revolvers, and one of them is usually killed, together with from four to six of the bystanders. This sort of duel would never do in a sparsely populated country like Italy............(and) it lacks everything that could recommend it to the lover of athletic sports.

The more things change... :)
 

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Don't you folks know:) that it is the (L)iberal philosophy, sine they Know Better with their high intelligentence,;)and they know what's best for us the unwashed masses:razz: It is also goal of the united nations that the world be disarmed:roll: Dontcha know that a well armed citizenry keeps government honest? How would you like (The October crisis) to come to all the cities in Canada:) OK, just brush me off as a paranoid (Yank):lol::mrgreen:

I'm pro gun but the idea that a well armed citizenry keeps government honest was disproved by Iraq (post holocaust). The people there were even better armed than in the US and they didn't keep Saddam honest.

If anything it seems to me that a properly educated leader (or just plain talented) in the fine art of social manipulation could whip up such a crowed into a lynch mob and accomplish damn near anything.

People are cowards and guns don't change that. During WWII it was found that 10% of the men did 90% of the fighting. By Vietnam training techniques had changed so that soldiers first instinct when frightened was to shoot. They turned those numbers right around. Even today that is the wests greatest advantage: our soldiers shoot instead of cower.

The only arguments that sit well with me about guns is that banning them only places them into the hands of criminals. Aslo I don't see that government has the right to tell us what to do to such an extent - it is, imo, a gross violation of liberty meant to keep the power elite safe not us. As a result all such bans have been failures because they are trying to enforce something they haven't the means or right to enforce. The last point is that a diabolical mind bent on killing people is less harmful if they go on a shooting spree v.s. building truck bombs etc to cause massive death. We live in a technological world and guns are the least of our concerns in such a context and may actually save lives simply by allowing people immediate gradification for their anger rather than forcing them to take longer less immediate but ultimately more devistating actions.