I am ME ... no labels. Come Election Day I make up my mind. It all depends on the worths of the policies, how they stand up to my torture tests, and the open minds of the support.
A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.
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I am ME ... no labels. Come Election Day I make up my mind. It all depends on the worths of the policies, how they stand up to my torture tests, and the open minds of the support.
You won't get any argument from me that Hussein was evil or deserved what he got. He committed horrendous atrocities on about the same scale of the US led war crime agains the Iraqi people. Both Hussein and Bush have committed crimes against humanity which have killed about a million people. One difference is that my outrage isn't nearly as selective as yours.
Getting rid of Hussein was a worthwhile objective, but it wasn't worth the lives of thousands of American soldiers and their allies, let alone a million innocent people.
Iraq had been more or less peaceful since the 1992 Shiite rebellion. That is more than a decade of peace, not weeks. Attacking peaceful countries which aren't a threat or attacking anyone is a war crime.
No WMDs have been found in Iraq since 1995. Since then Iraq has no possessed WMDs and they allowed UNSCOM unfettered access to any site and any person between 1996-1998. The problem was that by 1998, UNSCOM had stopped looking for WMDs and had become cover for a clandestine spy operation in violation of the ceasefire agreement. The 1998 US/UK bombing campaign was also a ceasefire violation. Iraq was correct in not allowing US/UK spies with UNSCOM credentials to resume theur spy mission in violation of the ceasefire. Iraq agreed to resume WMD inspections after the UNSC replaced the discredited UNSCOM with UNMOVIC. By March 2003, UNMOVIC was mere months away from being able to resolving all remaining disarmament issues.
I see nothing in the events leading up to the 2003 US invasion justifying Harper's support for this war crime.
Based on Harper's eagerness to kill innocent civilians I have no doubt that Harper would send Canadians soldiers into Iraq if asked. I have no doubt that Harper would send Canadian soldiers into Iran if the US or Israel start a similarly unprovoked war crime with Iran.
Harper is cut from the same cloth as Bush. They both believe in starting unprovoked wars of aggression, tax breaks for corporations and the extremely wealthy and disbelieve evidence of global warming. They share similar views on the environment, abortion, drugs, homosexuality, national security, terrorism, politics of fear, authoritarianism... You name it. Their speeches sound like they were written by the same people.
Can you give me an example of where the two men don't share the same viewpoint?
Its not an accident that Bush and Harper are nearly identical clones. The same demographic which support and fund Bush, fund and support Harper. We've seen what Bush did to the US. Why would Canadians want that to happen to Canada???
Harper is a potentially dangerous man and his ability to impose his neo-con Bush clone agenda on Canadians has thankfully been limited by his minority government status. But a Harper majority changes everything.
If you want Canada to remain tolerant and free... Vote ABC!
My gut feeling is one of a manipulative control freak ... and he hasn't proven me wrong so far. It's in his eyes. You know ... that deceitful, never-look-'em-in-the-eyes stare. Though Mike Harris specifically backed Belinda when this Tory incarnation was born, then was asked to distance himself due to negative vibes, Ontario PCs, Tom Long and his baby, the Common Sense Revolution were enshrined in Conservative doctrine. Harper's glib manner - wholesome, benevolent family man - is exactly the same as Harris' - a man who soon shed that skin to become a heartless tyrant. I felt it with Harris - thought I saw it in his eyes - and ignored it because the sales pitch was good. I will not fall for it again....
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You could say that about any of them. Taliban Jack looks like Mr Monopoly. Dion looks like a deer in the headlights.
Looks close, eh?
There's a computer fixit guy I think looks more like Layton.
When I went into my daughters wedding - chubby round me in that damned tux they rented - I had a bridesmaid in each arm and both of then sang: Mmm-mmm I love Turtles....
Appearances ... what do they matter? It's the heebie-geebies that come from a look at something inside - like something in reptilian eyes - that does it.
There's a computer fixit guy I think looks more like Layton.
When I went into my daughters wedding - chubby round me in that damned tux they rented - I had a bridesmaid in each arm and both of then sang: Mmm-mmm I love Turtles....
Appearances ... what do they matter? It's the heebie-geebies that come from a look at something inside - like something in reptilian eyes - that does it.
REAL TIGHT LIPPED....................good for Canada..................
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The same thing that bothers me about Bush. Bush is hardly a fanatic either, but he is a war criminal.
Why I am voting ABC in this election:
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"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them."
- Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.
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What a blatant fear mongering lie in support of an unprovoked war crime! Two weeks earlier UNMOVIC Exec Hans Blix said Iraq was not a WMD threat and that all remaining disarmament issues would be resolved within a few months.
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SECURITY COUNCIL
MARCH 7, 2003
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Mr. President,
Let me conclude by telling you that UNMOVIC is currently drafting the work programme, which resolution 1284 (1999) requires us to submit this month. It will obviously contain our proposed list of key remaining disarmament tasks; it will describe the reinforced system of ongoing monitoring and verification that the Council has asked us to implement; it will also describe the various subsystems which constitute the programme, e.g. for aerial surveillance, for information from governments and suppliers, for sampling, for the checking of road traffic, etc.
How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm
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UNMOVIC was right. Iraq had no WMDs. Neocons like Harper helped convince millions of gullible people that absence of proof is proof of existance and as a result more than a million Iraqi civilians have died as a result of this war crime!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
And it was a war crime:
UN Secretary General Annan: Iraq invasion is a War Crime
http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=iraq&Cr1
Now we learn, this war crime wasn't really about non-existant WMDs or non-existant links to 9/11. Instead the neocons now tell us we forgot why they started this war. Can't we remember? The war was a humanitarian intervention to bring freedom and democracy to the oppressed?!?!
Human Rights Watch:
...the Iraq war and the effort to justify it even in part in humanitarian terms risk giving humanitarian intervention a bad name:
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm
A trillion dollars on war which slaughtered a million people was motivated by altruistic humanitarianism! Yet a majority of us actually believe that neocon whopper!
I can find plenty of other examples where neocon Harper reveals his willingness to support this and other war crimes. Israel's "Measured Response" comes to mind.
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=296184ac-63d1-4dca-a85c-1552513c7490
Over the last 7 years, I've seen things I never thought I'd ever see. War criminals holding power at the highest levels in the US government. The Patriot Act. Domestic Spying. The news misinforms and distracts us while promoting fear and hatred. We have become sheeple. Big Brother has arrived and is about to seize absolute control of Canada. This is Bush's agenda. This is Harper's agenda.
Looking back to September 11, 2001, I am now certain I have no idea what happened that day. I know what I saw, but what we were told makes no sense, and the blocked investigations went nowhere. Somehow 9/11 fear and anger were twisted into an unprovoked war crime against a country that had no link to the events of that day. Something stinks and the smell seems to be coming from the direction of neocons like Harper and Bush.
Thankfully back in 2003 neocon Harper lacked the power to involve Canada in Iraq. But thanks to a wave of mind numbing propaganda, Harper in his blue sweater and "family values" is poised to win a majority. I have a serious problem with where Canada is headed.
More neocon wars are coming as surely as winter. Maybe it will be the US/Israel vs Iran based on similar unproven allegations as Iraq. I see this election as a referendum on Canada's future.
I intend to do what I can to prevent Canada from being taken over by neocons like Harper who are willing and eager to commit war crimes. So I'm voting ABC! That means voting Liberal in my riding.
More about ABC here:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/f...e-but-conservative-campaign-3.html#post987776
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"Trust your feelings Luke!"
You are correct and not the only one to get that sense of dread hidden behind a mask. This guy and his handlers want a majority to operate unfettered in Canada and change the whole country to something resembling their own ideals while cutting out others.
One of the changes that have happened since the Neocons formed this government is the bending of the press to their will. Either you ask the right questions when they are desired or you find yourself shunned from press conferences.
Part of being transparent is standing up under the scrutiny of the press. That this government is ordered to avoid that, and only allow predetermined release of specific information in staged and controlled conferences under penalty of expulsion from caucus is the antithesis of Canadian integrity.
and the liberals and NDP are so sure of there ways that they expect no criticism what so ever..Just follow along we know whats right for you...
I would alway be more concerned with 1984 with the left than the right.
btw Harper is not anywhere near the right of G.W. Bush, it's just easy to put him there since he's on the right side of the septrum
I would alway be more concerned with 1984 with the left than the right.
btw Harper is not anywhere near the right of G.W. Bush, it's just easy to put him there since he's on the right side of the septrum
The difference is, they have confidence in their ways ... and constructive criticism is encouraged. "Just follow along. We know what's right for you." Is Tory brain process. There's no need to think.
None of you have ever answered if Tom Long is still writing Conservative doctrine....
But Harper has basically had a majority for 2 years. buch of hot air from the Liberals but never even tried to bring down the gov.
Truth is what we need is an elected senate. Then as they do in the U.S. you can ballance the right wing congress with a left wing senate or vice versa. If we do that they all need to temper themselves, instead of the Mickey mouse farce we have between the two sides. Nothing happens and each blames the other.