More America Bashing..

[Unforgiven]

Some do. And many of those who do, don't all believe in the same God and/or principles.

A moot point.

Usually those shooting at you.

Go a little further Grasshopper. What side does God fight on? The side of good of course.
And so, only Satan would fight against the side of good and God. There fore, the enemy is evil and deserves to be killed.

Oh well..... why would I want to be surrounded by a bunch of ignorant bible thumpers?

They will fight harder and stay loger even in the darkest hour if they think they are doing God's work. Isn't psychology wonderful?

*Pow pow.... guns empty on the thread, Exit the Prax*

:twisted:

Wow! Didn't hit a single thing. heh heh I pick Colpy! ccasion5:

 

[Praxius]

A moot point.

Only to those who think their religion rules all.... which apparently is you. Moot indeed. But nice argument :roll:

Go a little further Grasshopper. What side does God fight on? The side of good of course.

Then I guess the US will be destroyed soon enough then...... cuz they sure as hell ain't the good guys. They were... they sure as hell ain't now.

And so, only Satan would fight against the side of good and God. There fore, the enemy is evil and deserves to be killed.

Perhaps those who think they're good and doing God's work have clouded judgement.

Did God tell you this was the right course of action? Did God tell Bush this was what had to be done? How about God Telling Palin? Do you three have some magical connection to God that you all communicate between one another to make sure this is what God wants?

If you say yes, then you're more full of sh*t then I originally thought.

A human dictating what God wants is a contradiction, which is exactly what you're trying to do here. You best go back to Sunday school and get re-educated.

Then again, perhaps today being Sept 11th has something to do with your uppity "We're the right ones" attitude.

They will fight harder and stay loger even in the darkest hour if they think they are doing God's work. Isn't psychology wonderful?

Yeah, the so-called "Terrorists" are proving this to a tee. So which God is right? The US public is breaking down and growing weary of these endless wars..... all the while more and more in the middle east are taking up arms for the loss of their innocent loved ones, and using the US as target practice.

There is no sympathy in the middle east for the US, and now even the US's allies are losing sympathy.

You speak of psychology...... well classify this under the "Crying Wolf" mentality complex disorder..... I haven't had sympathy for what occurs to the US for a few years now, and I know there are plenty more all over the world who feel the same.

Then again, God's on the US's side don't forget, so I guess the US would be justified in nuking the whole planet and ridding themselves of all those who oppose them.... you know.... start the apocalypse and all?

Yeah.... religion is such a wonderful thing.... makes you wonder why there's less and less people joining the faith these days.

Wow! Didn't hit a single thing. heh heh I pick Colpy! ccasion5:

Maybe you should take the blindfold off and check yourself, because I just wiggity-wrecked yourself.

Werd..... Ya Heard?

 

[Risus]

People believe in God. If God is with us, who could be against us? Simple and difficult to argue against without saying that God isn't with us. And should someone say that, well they just aren't going to get another invite to any of the parties and social engagements so there.

What makes you think God is with you guys? Talk is cheap. I doubt that God has approved of the illegal war in Iraq.

 

[Unforgiven]

What makes you think God is with you guys? Talk is cheap. I doubt that God has approved of the illegal war in Iraq.

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He alos justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:28-31

What makes anyone think that God is on their side? Al Qeada thinks Allah is on their side. Bushco thinks God is on their side.

I don't think God cares much about sides or even war. But when swaying popular opinion, God's one hell of a poster child.

 

[Risus]

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He alos justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:28-31

What makes anyone think that God is on their side? Al Qeada thinks Allah is on their side. Bushco thinks God is on their side.

I don't think God cares much about sides or even war. But when swaying popular opinion, God's one hell of a poster child.

I'm not questioning the quote from the Bible you posted, but I'm sure God doesn't approve of the killing of all the inocent children in Iraq. You guys need to get your head out of your butt and realize that your faling back on the old excuse of 'God is behind us' just doesn't cut it.

 

[mabudon]

Risus, I highly doubt that is the point Unforgiven is making, and it has been addressed twice already....

 

[earth_as_one]

side note:

There are many reasons why every country had a right to invade Iraq. But no one cares about Genocide,

So instead they invented a reason that would sell well, and they used it.

If people cared about genocide, Rwanda would have been invaded in 1994.

There was no genocide going on in Iraq in 2002 or 2003. According to the US government, the total number of people executed by the Hussein regime in 2002-3 was 0. Between 2000 and 2001, the total was 275.

Office of the White House Press Secretary
Washington, DC
April 4, 2003


Life Under Saddam Hussein: Past Repression and Atrocities by Saddam Hussein's Regime

...
122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000;
23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001; and
At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001.

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

Does the above meet your definition of genocide Z?

How about this:

On Friday, September 14, 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far, outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide.[2] From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.[3][4] In comparison, the 2006 Lancet survey suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths) through the end of June 2006. The Lancet authors calculated a range of 392,979 to 942,636 deaths.

On 28 January 2008, ORB published an update based on additional work carried out in rural areas of Iraq. Some 600 additional interviews were undertaken and as a result of this the death estimate was revised to 1,033,000 with a given range of 946,000 to 1,120,000.[5]...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties

Between 1998 and 2003 a genocidal war was going on. But it was in the DRC, not Iraq:

The Second Congo War, also known as Africa's World War[3] and the Great War of Africa, began in August 1998 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly called Zaire), and officially ended in July 2003 when the Transitional Government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo took power (though hostilities continue to this day). The largest war in modern African history, it directly involved eight African nations, as well as about 25 armed groups. By 2008 the war and its aftermath had killed 5.4 million people, mostly from disease and starvation,[4] making the Second Congo War the deadliest conflict worldwide since World War II.[5] Millions more were displaced from their homes or sought asylum in neighboring countries.[6]

Despite a formal end to the war in July 2003 and an agreement by the former belligerents to create a government of national unity, 1,000 people died daily in 2004 from easily preventable cases of malnutrition and disease.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

Iraq was peaceful until the US started an unprovoked war to seize control of Iraq's oil.

16 September 2004 – UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan:

...Responding to media questions about the Secretary-General's comments in a BBC interview, spokesman Fred Eckhard told a press briefing in New York that in his remarks the Secretary-General had reiterated his well-known position that the military action against Iraq was not in conformity with the UN Charter.

In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."...

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=iraq&Cr1

The Iraq war wasn't just an illegal war crime which has killed about a million people so far, it also diverted the world's attention away from the genocidal humanitarian disaster in the DRC and has given humanitarian intervention a bad name!

HRW:

...the United States-led coalition forces justified the invasion of Iraq on a variety of grounds, only one of which—a comparatively minor one—was humanitarian. The Security Council did not approve the invasion, and the Iraqi government, its existence on the line, violently opposed it. Moreover, while the African interventions were modest affairs, the Iraq war was massive, involving an extensive bombing campaign and some 150,000 ground troops.

The sheer size of the invasion of Iraq, the central involvement of the world’s superpower, and the enormous controversy surrounding the war meant that the Iraqi conflict overshadowed the other military actions. For better or for worse, that prominence gave it greater power to shape public perceptions of armed interventions said by their proponents to be justified on humanitarian grounds. The result is that at a time of renewed interest in humanitarian intervention, the Iraq war and the effort to justify it even in part in humanitarian terms risk giving humanitarian intervention a bad name. If that breeds cynicism about the use of military force for humanitarian purposes, it could be devastating for people in need of future rescue.

Human Rights Watch ordinarily takes no position on whether a state should go to war. The issues involved usually extend beyond our mandate, and a position of neutrality maximizes our ability to press all parties to a conflict to avoid harming noncombatants. The sole exception we make is in extreme situations requiring humanitarian intervention.

Because the Iraq war was not mainly about saving the Iraqi people from mass slaughter, and because no such slaughter was then ongoing or imminent, Human Rights Watch at the time took no position for or against the war. A humanitarian rationale was occasionally offered for the war, but it was so plainly subsidiary to other reasons that we felt no need to address it...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm

People who claim Iraq was invaded for humanitarian reasons are either blatant liars or manipulated fools.

McCain is probably lying. Palin is probably a manipulated fool. What are you Z?

 

[Scott Free]

side note:

There are many reasons why every country had a right to invade Iraq. But no one cares about Genocide,

So instead they invented a reason that would sell well, and they used it.

You should work for Bush or FOX. They love revisionists.

 

[Praxius]

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He alos justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:28-31

What makes anyone think that God is on their side? Al Qeada thinks Allah is on their side. Bushco thinks God is on their side.

I don't think God cares much about sides or even war. But when swaying popular opinion, God's one hell of a poster child.

Indeed.... but if simply believing and loving God would make all decisions of an individual being right, then there wouldn't be such a thing as sin now would there? There would be no need to repent sins.... raping, stealing, murdering, having an affair would all be justified.... because you simply love God. There wouldn't be any need for the comandments would there?

Oh, and thinking God wants something or approves something, isn't actually absolute now is it, let alone makes it true?

I suppose all those crazies who ended up killing their families, chopping them up and making clothing out of them "Because God told me to do it and they were evil" are justified in what they did? Afterall, they love God and heck.... they didn't think God wanted this.... apparently to them, God "Told" them this was what was right to do.

So they were more justified in doing what they did, then Bush or Palin thinking/praying this is what God wanted.

And yet, they're all in jail.

Why is that?

 

[Unforgiven]

I'm not questioning the quote from the Bible you posted, but I'm sure God doesn't approve of the killing of all the inocent children in Iraq. You guys need to get your head out of your butt and realize that your faling back on the old excuse of 'God is behind us' just doesn't cut it.

You should question any quote from the Bible. As the Bible changes God has gone from a wrathful, vengeful God to a so called loving God. According to the editors anyway.

For my part I was pointing out the absurdity of following people who make the claim that God is on their side, like Bushco and Al Qaeda have. You seemed to have confused my pointing out the irony with some support for such an absurd concept. I don't support the war in Iraq, nor the reasoning behind it.

Just to be clear.

 

[Unforgiven]

Indeed.... but if simply believing and loving God would make all decisions of an individual being right, then there wouldn't be such a thing as sin now would there? There would be no need to repent sins.... raping, stealing, murdering, having an affair would all be justified.... because you simply love God. There wouldn't be any need for the comandments would there?

Unless of course it was all nothing more than something to sooth the masses as you coaxed them along to do your bidding.

Oh, and thinking God wants something or approves something, isn't actually absolute now is it, let alone makes it true?

Might makes right and the winners write the history. The truth usually follows along some time later when that is all there is left to gleam from the situation. And so, what barring does truth have compared to belief?

I suppose all those crazies who ended up killing their families, chopping them up and making clothing out of them "Because God told me to do it and they were evil" are justified in what they did? Afterall, they love God and heck.... they didn't think God wanted this.... apparently to them, God "Told" them this was what was right to do.

Perspective is everything. Truth is, no one can prove that God told them anything. But that doesn't matter much to those who were chopped up. So where does that leave us?

So they were more justified in doing what they did, then Bush or Palin thinking/praying this is what God wanted.

Justification is subjective. Do you think anyone does that without believing that they were justified? Separate truth from belief and you can find the distinction.

And yet, they're all in jail.
Why is that?

I guess we could chalk that up to a difference in opinion. Someone thinks they are justified, the law says different. Other place, other laws. Still has little to do with the truth of the matter.