Israel considers military option for Iran nukes

Praxius

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That pretty much convinces me that the wipe Israel off the map translation is correct. As a speaker of multiple languages, I well understand that many idioms cannot be literally translated without losing their meaning, becoming nonsense or often amusing. That leads me to believe the original translators knew what they were doing. They translated for meaning rather than being literal word for word.

I mean come on, wiped off the map vs vanish from the pages of time. Lets see how many hairs we can split.

Mistranslate this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45d_1178512793

Honestly, why would he go out and bitch out the world and then suddenly take it back? Chavez certainly isn't even to the level of Iran in military, and he shoots his mouth off all the time, and he sticks to it... what logic exists for someone in his position, to worry about shooting off his mouth and then taking it back? It makes perfect sense, knock the propaganda out of that noggin for a second and listen to the facts.
 

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Dosen't need to pmper us? Are you nuts? He is accused of wanting Isreal wiped form the map, why can't he clarify what he actually meant.

Blah blah blah....

Perhaps while he is at it he should tell us why he thinks the holocaust is a myth.

Since they're already paranoid from previous US influence, and being closed off from the rest of the world, and their allies were pushed from their homes, when logically if the west felt sorry for what occured during the Holocaust, why didn't they take them into their own countries?

They didn't, and that's why they question it.

Of course when someone from our country, such as myself, express my freedom of speech to explain the situation, or I hypothetically question or diss what happened in WWII to the Jewish population/culture, then it just pisses other people off and get all in an uproar..... but when they do it, everybody thinks they're going to blow us all up.

Cripes that's a sad position to be in. Mark my words, they're not going to find anything, and if they do.... I'll owe you a coke. But for now, I predict if they screw up and attack Iran, both the US and Israel will be screwed.

Think about it.... Iran, just stops their production of oil, other's have to step up.... the price of crude skyrockets and cripples the entire world, more then what it's like now..... then they just have to call their buddies over in Gaza and elsewhere, shoot some more Rockets over the border..... not to mention this situation isn't like Iraq or Syria with one compound on the surface. Iran has them all over their country, and well defended with some pretty spiffy technology, thanks to your friends, the Russians.

And not only are they spread out, but their into mountians, underground, very fortified, and currently, last I checked, Israel doesn't have Bunker Busters. They need those from the US..... They US now has to spread to three fronts, besides all the other places, such as South Korea, etc. Their recruitment is already dropped to very low levels, which is why their troops are doing more tours then one shouldn in my opinion.

Um.... what else? Well, I sure as hell ain't going to see Canada hoping over to Iran anytime soon, and we're out of Afghanistan in 2011..... I imagine by that time, the rest of other NATO countries are about done and won't want to do anymore, let alone contribute more.

Both countries, Israel and the US, will financially cripple themselves, cripple their military, their country's moral and support for their governments..... And take a guess what happens next?

I can't tell you the whole story.

Of course, if I'm wrong.... I'll owe you a Coke as promised. The US already did a wonderful job on their country since Iraq. How much crude do they need for their military?

What about back home for the hard civilian workers?

Sh*t'll hit the fan.

How do you know there aren't as many homosexuals in Iran, you do have something to back that up right?

Funny, I thought I already supplied that information before.

Remember this?

"Try looking this stuff up for yourself for once."

And I supplied you a link:

http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonli...ahmadinej.html

Guess what you find when you click the link?:

"According to an aide to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President was misquoted when he told an American audience last month were no gays in his country. The aide maintains the President actually meant there were not "as many" as in the United States."

Their language when you translate it, isn't as pretty as ours.... they're not as creative it would seem:

"In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country. In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon. I do not know who has told you that we have it."

"What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer," presidential media adviser Mohammad Kalhor tells Reuters. "He said that, compared to American society, we don't have many homosexuals." Kalhor claims "historical, religious and cultural differences" have rendered homosexuality less common in Iran and the Islamic world.

Not to mention, I have already posted news reports in the past about their executions of homosexuals.... I would have figured you would have caught on by now.....

Technically speaking, they don't have as many, because obviously they're quite intollerant of the lifestyle.

I'm not saying it's right.... but what I explained, and technically, what he said... is true.

Plus he said there aren't any at all in Iran, either he is lying or is a complete idiot.

No, the only idiot, is the one I'm quoting who didn't bother to read the information provided to him.

Ignorant.

Nobody wants another war, least of all me since I opposed the Iraq war and to some degree the Afghan war but that dosen't mean I want a nation who hates Isreal and who wants them wiped form the map to have nukes. Seems you couldn't care less about anybody but yourself.

No, there are other's... but actually, no I don't care that much more about myself then anything else in which I care about. It's about equal. Cry that at night through your pillow.
 

Praxius

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sigh

Like I said genious, if there is confusion in this matter why dosen't he just say it in English?

Should I type it slower so you idiots can understand it?

How about you look it up for once and get the answer like everyone else?

You got a computer.... use it.

D O I N E E D T O S P E L L I T O U T


E H ?
 

Praxius

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I'd like to point out Praxius is incorrect.

It isn't that he didn't say "wipe Israel off the map", Its that he said something that means either that, or "will fade in time".

It does not mean that he didn't mean to imply the imminent destruction of Israel, just that he could also be taken as saying "will fade in time".

I understand where you are coming from and that does make sense, however, perhaps you have to look through much of their own history on when they used that term in the past and what occured afterwards.

Perhaps what they are saying is true. Besides, if he did, it doesn't make sense why he would be two-facing us right now.... if he wanted to strike, he'd strike now, while both countries are busy elsewhere. He doesn't need nukes right now.... why would he wait? He doesn't need nukes.

In the same way you could translate "I will take you out" to "I will kill you" or "I will go out on a date with you".

As explained above, they don't talk like we do.

As a distant example, think of that african tribe that clicks for their communication, rather then complex vocal sounds like us? There's many different ways, complex and basic, that humans communicate with... theirs is of course complex, but it's also quite older then how we talk now. Our English has gotten all over the place with slag, and accents.. they're on country, with a culture that has been around for a long time.

Although It could be taken either way (depending on context), the net result is I said "I will take you out", so if you ducked behind a chair (or if you were armed shot me) as I reached quickly into my coat you couldn't really be found at fault....even if you were a beautiful police officer and I was getting you a hidden rose..

Now you lost me.... I gotta goto bed.
 

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Israel attacked Iraq's nuke factory. They should do the same for Iran's.
 

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As a distant example, think of that african tribe that clicks for their communication, rather then complex vocal sounds like us?

The meaning of the clicks can be translated, if not word for word, at least explained. Very much the way that what I'm saying now is being conveyed to you as a bunch of shapes, but you will convert these shapes to spoken words in your head when you read this post.
 

Praxius

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You get someone who understands both languages. You get him read the text of the original language, comprehend it's meaning, then get him to convey that same meaning in the target language.

Which can take some time depending on what was said... and sometimes a quick translation is made when trying to translate on the fly, such as this case..... and in other languages, that quick translation can be taken totally different then compared to what was originally intended.

I mean, I hate the Israeli government too, and hope it crumbles and a new one replaces it which would be more open to talks with other Middle Eastern countries..... that doesn't mean I hope Israel is nuked.

But it's far more easier for me to explain my position to you then compared to another language, because you and I are used to this language.

Just look at our newest Russian member and how he types.... it's not perfect English, but his point gets across none the less.... sometimes you need to re-read it though and take time to properly understand what is being said.
 

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You get someone who understands both languages. You get him read the text of the original language, comprehend it's meaning, then get him to convey that same meaning in the target language.

Bingo!

That only works of course if the person saying it wants to be clarified.
 

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I mean, I hate the Israeli government too, and hope it crumbles and a new one replaces it which would be more open to talks with other Middle Eastern countries..... that doesn't mean I hope Israel is nuked.

We know you hate Isreal and love Iran, no need to go on and on about it.:roll:
 

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I mean, I hate the Israeli government too, and hope it crumbles and a new one replaces it which would be more open to talks with other Middle Eastern countries..... that doesn't mean I hope Israel is nuked.

This is odd to me,

Israel has made peace with every middle eastern country who has recognized it and was willing to even talk, giving up vast tracks for valuable land in the process.

How much more open to talks can the current system be? Perhaps the other problem is that other countries aren't willing to talk to a country they don't believe exists.
 

Praxius

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We know you hate Isreal and love Iran, no need to go on and on about it.:roll:

Apparently I do, since you don't have the brain power to properly read what is being said and like to typically generalize to suit your own objectives..... so I will go on about it again until you can figure it out in that pea brain of yours:

"....I hate the Israeli government too, and hope it crumbles and a new one replaces it which would be more open to talks with other Middle Eastern countries..... that doesn't mean I hope Israel is nuked."

^ Next time, try not to shove your Bullsh*t in my mouth.... my mouth isn't big enough.
 

Praxius

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This is odd to me,

Israel has made peace with every middle eastern country who has recognized it and was willing to even talk, giving up vast tracks for valuable land in the process.

How much more open to talks can the current system be? Perhaps the other problem is that other countries aren't willing to talk to a country they don't believe exists.

Well perhaps their perspective is slightly backwards to what we're used to. Perhaps they don't acknowlege Israel's existence, because Israel won't acknowlege or negotiate certain things they feel are important to establishing a long lasting peace.

Why would they recognize their existence as a Nation if they don't act like one? Sure some people would give them the recognition they want and thus might open them up to those types of talks, however other cultures around the world only give when they are given to. Not everybody in the world thinks and acts like we do.... and to expect them to come all the way, rather then meet them halfway, will only prolong the problems.

We may find some of their requests trivial or impossible, but dismissing them outright with out an open dialouge isn't going to help them acknowlege their "Existence" as a legal nation.
 
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Well perhaps their perspective is slightly backwards to what we're used to. Perhaps they don't acknowlege Israel's existence, because Israel won't acknowlege or negotiate certain things they feel are important to establishing a long lasting peace.

Why would they recognize their existence as a Nation if they don't act like one? Sure some people would give them the recognition they want and thus might open them up to those types of talks, however other cultures around the world only give when they are given to. Not everybody in the world thinks and acts like we do.... and to expect them to come all the way, rather then meet them halfway, will only prolong the problems.

We may find some of their requests trivial or impossible, but dismissing them outright with out an open dialouge isn't going to help them acknowlege their "Existence" as a legal nation.


.....to the point and valid.
 

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Apparently I do, since you don't have the brain power to properly read what is being said and like to typically generalize to suit your own objectives..... so I will go on about it again until you can figure it out in that pea brain of yours:

"....I hate the Israeli government too, and hope it crumbles and a new one replaces it which would be more open to talks with other Middle Eastern countries..... that doesn't mean I hope Israel is nuked."

^ Next time, try not to shove your Bullsh*t in my mouth.... my mouth isn't big enough.

Like I said you hate Israel and love Iran.

It's alway the fault of the Jews but never the fault of the Arab tyrants.
 

scratch

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Like I said you hate Israel and love Iran.

It's alway the fault of the Jews but never the fault of the Arab tyrants.



Tell me how this is going to affect your everyday life. Talk is cheap.