Boy, 14, pleads not guilty to murdering gay classmate in California

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Is there a hesitancy to place blame on the homosexual community for provoking and frightening this young boy?

I know they are quick to defend their place in our society, but when young kids are
involved, there has to be some common sense applied regardless.

With all due respect to your comment....your question IMPHO...not hesitant --- cautious.
Common sense has left the building --- IMPHO

IMO ---- I would hate to be that age now and face what every young woman and man have to face on a daily basis, because they have no support and NO safety net.

I've seen such occurrences and the authorities haven't the first clue as to how to handle them.

What a wonderful world we live in.

 

[L Gilbert]

The world isn't ALL bad, Eeyore.

 

[tracy]

This would be a normal part taught within the upbringing of your child? I wonder how many people will sit their kids down today and advise them of this......IMPHO

I think it goes under the general heading of violence is never an acceptable solution to a disagreement.

 

[tracy]

Everyone says the murderer couldn't control himself and he didn't have the emotional maturity to make good decisions. So, he should get a much lighter sentence, his actions are completely understandable given the circumstances. It was bound to happen. It's the murdered kid's fault for acting gay or hitting on a straight kid... Well, why do we assume the victim had the emotional maturity to control his actions? Cause that's the flipside. He was also a kid. He presumably had about the same level of emotional maturity. Why should actions he couldn't control excuse his murderer?

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I'm tired of people making excuses for murder. My parents abused me, I come from a bad home situation, I was addicted to drugs, someone I didn't like embarassed me, I have emotional issues, my manhood was threatened, I was young... I doubt you could find many murders that don't have some sort of mitigating factors like that. The other thing they all have in common is a dead body at the end. I guess my compassion for the murderers is just running out because I identify less with them and more with their victims.

 

[scratch]

The world isn't ALL bad, Eeyore.

Les,
I find you to be a down to earth guy with a handle on the world situation.
It would be a pleasure to sit with you and just shoot the breeze, I would find that enjoyable. You might as well.
Yet the real goods are that for over three decades of my life I have had to deal with a serious disability: diagnosis -- severe psychoneurosis with associated anxiety, panic and depression.
I was able to work up until December 7, 1984 -- then on the next day some idiot Quebec civil servant changed my life forever. Lost my wife and my very good job. I could not sue the guy so I had to go on RRQ & my company disability plan.
I have been on the same medication (a controlled substance) with a very high street value since mid-June 1971. (pre-existing condition)
This past February I went through a psych evaluation and the result was that I had the "BUNDLE".
Three weeks ago my lady of twenty-two years just leaves and I have no idea why or where she went. Makes one wonder what one has done to deserve this.
Yet I have re-grouped and use 3C as a way to do that. Perhaps I am going through a bad patch -- I do not know.
My true intent is to get my third book finished but I spend to much time here.
This is off-topic and I am well aware of that but perhaps you will better understand me if you know what lies behind the name.
I have said this in one of my threads: "when Khrushchev banged his shoe on the podium at the U.N., we were in for it."
So if I am a Winnie the Pooh character, so be it. No hard feelings.

Regards,
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[talloola]

Growing up isn't 'easy', sometimes exciting, sometimes without confidence, can be scary,
they can be cocky, over confident, whiny, brag too much, talk too much, not talk at all,
bullies, passive, and on and on, BUT, if any one of them makes a decision to 'kill'
someone who makes them feel uncomfortable, or scared, it is he/she who is 100% to
blame, or perhaps his/her parents for instilling certain ideas that bring on that type
of reaction.
A young homo-sexual boy, is also trying to grow up with many mixed up thoughts, and
trying to figure himself out. I don't think it was a shoot-out, or a dual, only one person
had the gun right?

 

[Nuggler]

8O,,,,,,,How come he's being tried as an adult.? This went past me like de puck de hockey, eh!

Given the backgrounder on this, I'm not surprised this happened. Most kids would have given little gay boy a punch in the yap, and that would have been that.

He def. needs to do some time and be seriously counselled; not thrown in with the wolves.

At least here's one the CANADIAN taxpayers don't have to support for the next 53.........Jeesus, think of that.............53 big ones.......They leave the wire off the top tier just for this reason. So fed-ups can to the superman splat. I'd be first in that line up.

:-(

 

[karrie]

Isn't that a sad commentary on our society. I know you would, but I hope other parents would also teach their boys that murdering a gay classmate who hit on them was completely unreasonable too.

I guess that one just seems the logical lesson, the lesson my son would get regardless of any other factor in his life.

 

[karrie]

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I'm tired of people making excuses for murder. ...

I guess I didn't read it as an excuse for murder, but rather, a discussion on where it falls in terms of the classifications of murder.

 

[tracy]

I guess I didn't read it as an excuse for murder, but rather, a discussion on where it falls in terms of the classifications of murder.

I just don't see why this reason is so different from any other reason. A kid was mad at another kid so he took a gun to school and shot him in the head, risking the lives of anyone in that class in the process. He was upset. I get it. Most of us have been upset in our lives without shooting anyone in the head. Why does the gay angle give it such a special excuse? That's what I don't get.

Yes, the parents in this case should have stepped in and yes, the school should have stepped in. I'm not saying a 14 year old has to carry himself with the emotional maturity of an adult and we don't demand they take the same responsibilities that adults do. But I expect that they have the emotional maturity to know that shooting someone in the back of the head is wrong and they have to take responsibility when they do it. I know that's too much to expect nowadays. I agree with the argument that a 14 year old should be tried as a juvenile since he is a juvenile, not because his victim did something to cause his own murder.

If a 14 year old shot a rival gang member, I doubt we'd be so sympathetic. Why is that? They have the same rage and come from bad home lives. Why don't we feel as sorry for them? I suspect it's because their stray bullets are a danger to anyone, but we're all safe from someone who would only kill a gay kid.

 

[karrie]

that is a very well stated view tracy. Nice to see it from a few angles of opinion.

 

[Curiosity]

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With all due respect to your comment....your question IMPHO...not hesitant --- cautious.
Common sense has left the building --- IMPHO

Agreed. Caution is a wise choice.

Edit: I am sorry for your current run of bad luck right now in your life and hope the pressure will lift soon and you will find yourself hungry for new directions and new interests. Often we get kicked out of what was really a rut in life to
find we have lots more good things ahead. I wish them for you.

 

[talloola]

I'm with Curio on those thoughts, and I hope you, (scratch),feel our 'affection' here for you, and
our support, and our desire for you to' keep on keep'n on' here on this board.
We won't leave you.

 

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I'm with Curio on those thoughts, and I hope you, (scratch),feel our 'affection' here for you, and
our support, and our desire for you to' keep on keep'n on' here on this board.
We won't leave you.

I guess all of what has happened just hit me smack in the face and I had to get it out. For that I apologize and thank you for your support.

 

[talloola]

I guess all of what has happened just hit me smack in the face and I had to get it out. For that I apologize and thank you for your support.

No apology necessary, you turned the corner today, full speed ahead now.