The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

[eanassir]

I may hear an Englishman's accent but I don't necessarily believe everything that he says.

I mean in addition to the language, the accent of the speaker can be recognized, other than the style; so that if I read someone words, I may recognize him, eventhough he comes under another pseudonym.

So the Quran speaks for itself that it is the true word of God, according to its fluency and eloquence of the Arab language, that they could not bring about any analogue of it; and in spite of that they were clever at solving puzzles, they could not solve and realize the puzzles of the mysterious ayat included in it, until they be interpreted later on. In addition, it includes foretelling about the future, and told many incidents in the past heavenly books that all Christians and Jews are ignorant about.

Moreover, the Quran invites people to serve God alone, without any associate, peer or patron, and to abandon the idols and the idolatry. This is other than it enjoins justice and forbids the wrong-doing and transgression.

Therefore, if the Quran had not been a book revealed from God, then which book would have been revealed?
And how can any revealed book be in any way other than the Quran?
And if God wants to reveal any book, it would not be other than in this way.

Moreover, in case the Quran is revealed from God, and you disbelieve in it, what will your punishment be; because you have denied the word of God that He revealed?

This is in the Quran 46: 10​

قُلْ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرْتُم بِهِ وَشَهِدَ شَاهِدٌ مِّن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَلَى مِثْلِهِ فَآمَنَ وَاسْتَكْبَرْتُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to them]: "Tell me your opinion: If the [Quran] be from God, and you disbelieve in it [: what will your fate be in the Hereafter, before God?]

Moreover, a witness [: Abdullah, the son of Salam] out of the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity [with the Law of Moses];

so [the witness] has believed, whereas you have become arrogant [because you are wrong-doers];

surely, God guides not the wrong-doing people.")​

They were probably real people. I believe David Koresh was a real person too. If he had lived back then you've probably have a second David on your list. Do I think Moses parted the Red Sea? Not a chance. Do I think they had any connection to a higher power? No. Probably good salesmen. Would've been good televangelists if the tube was around.

I mean, if you believe in those apostles, you should believe in Mohammed, too;

because he came with the monotheism that those apostles came with, and he called people to God alone, and broke up the idols, in spite of the wealth and sovereignty that his people promise him with in case he desist from his message against the idols (they proposed to make him their king if he desist from his message against the idols);

in addition to that he believed in and confirmed all the apostles before him, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus and all the rest of the prophets and apostles.

And if Mohammed was not an apostle, how could the apostle be? And if God sends an apostle, he cannot be other than like Mohammed in his monotheism and noble conduct.

This is in the Quran 46: 9​

قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعًا مِّنْ الرُّسُلِ وَمَا أَدْرِي مَا يُفْعَلُ بِي وَلَا بِكُمْ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَى إِلَيَّ وَمَا أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "I am not the first innovation of the messengers;
even I know not what shall be done with me or with you [in the future];
I only am following that which is revealed to me [from my Lord];
I am only an obvious warner [warn you of God's punishment if you insist on your idolatry.]")


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[L Gilbert]

Man is the same in the present, as is he in the past. His needs are the same. His ways are almost similar.

In the past he used horses and other animals for transport and traveling; now he is using cars and aeroplanes. The food he eats is similar, as are his drink, furniture and dwelling.
Therefore, man having the car and aeroplanes now, and becoming glad with such a little scientific achievement, which God enabled him to attain – then will he reject his God the Creator according to his relatively little knowledge?​

Our little bit of knowledge has been fought hard for. It enables us to say things like, "there is no evidence to support the idea that Mother Goose is alive and well and raising goslings on Jupiter, and as it is highly unlikely that it is even possible, it must be nonsense".​

God may enable him to know more, but according to his denial and ingratitude, his knowledge has become restricted. If he shows gratitude to his Lord, He will give him a tremendous amount of science and knowledge.

Nuts. Our limit to knowledge is because of our relatively short lifespans and other physiological aspects. Good thing there are such things as books and the net. ​

Example:

The discovery of the penicillin was a great favor of God to people to cure many fatal diseases.
The discoverer [I saw this in a demonstrative film] – as if he became alert to the fungus that settled in the dish of the medium culture of bacteria – then the idea came to him, as if inspired about it, and he returned to see and examine that incident to extract the penicillin which is more important than a large number of other discoveries.
So it is God that acquaints man in various fields of knowledge, by the way of inspiring man the science and knowledge to let him achieve his blessed ambition in exploring the unknown fields of nature and universe.

This is in the Quran 40: 83​

فَلَمَّا جَاءتْهُمْ رُسُلُهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَرِحُوا بِمَا عِندَهُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ وَحَاقَ بِهِم مَّا كَانُوا بِهِ يَسْتَهْزِؤُون​

The explanation:

(Then when their messengers [: apostles] came to them with the manifest [signs], they [denied them and] rejoiced in the knowledge that they had [concerning the disintegration of bodies after death], and [the punishment] – at which they mocked – overwhelmed them.)​

Nuts. I am pretty sure people comes up with their own ideas, not those of some superstitious being.

 

[L Gilbert]

Hey, I wonder what they were drinking when they wrote those old books, maybe it
was their 'brown wooden' container they were clutching, and a stagger going on.

Prolly drinking propanol or something distilled through old radiators and drank out of pewter with a high lead content. Or perhaps they were drinking 'shroom juice, peyote tea, etc.

 

[scratch]

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Nuts. Our limit to knowledge is because of our relatively short lifespans and other physiological aspects. Good thing there are such things as books and the net. ​

Nuts. I am pretty sure people comes up with their own ideas, not those of some superstitious being.​

I'll put a copy on that!​

 

[L Gilbert]

So basically your saying god wants us to believe in him before he'll give us any reason to believe him. And if we don't believe in him he'll even give us less reason. :-?

So god is mostly interested in unsophisticated boobs for followers? :-?

I don't mean to be unkind eanassir but that is in essence your argument. :angry3:

So god isn't interested in intellectual capacity. He made humans to be his pets - like a dog we're just supposed to believe anything some lunatic preaches at us without any proof. 8O

In actuality your saying we have to believe in god despite the proof given - as has been shown to you so many times the Qu'ran has very poor evidence of anything.

I just don't see why god would be so interested in having morons for followers? :-(

I think your being hosed eanassir.

You have it. As I keep telling people, gov'ts and religions prefer their subjects to be ignorant and stupid.

 

[scratch]

Muhammad was a person so this argument contradicts itself. Even if Muhammad were speaking for god the words were still a mans words - that is to say it was a mans voice the witnesses heard. They did not hear gods voice or his words.

Your argument demonstrates that the Quran is false because it is the words of a man (no matter who he spoke for the voice was a mans).

Also the Quran was written by human accounts of what they heard. Again this means the entire book is entirely the accounts of men not god.

.....and hearsay.....

 

[L Gilbert]

You have used the Quran and Al-Hilly's interpretion of it to argue that the moon does not rotate, that comets and meteorites are preferentially attracted to certain temperature differentials, that Mars is inhabited by people and other large animals, that gravity is affected by heat and temperature, and a variety of other things. I don't see any point in cataloging them all. You have not been right yet, not even once, about a single scientific claim you've made based on arguments from and interpretations of the Quran.

Oh come on, Dex. He did post a partially correct reason for volcanos existing. I think I said somewhere that he can't be wrong ALL the time. lol

 

[L Gilbert]

Allahu akbar on the atheist!

Glory be to God!​

So this is your mixing and confusing, and you know it.​

Wrong. It is you, and you only think it.​

Here are the items that you said:

the moon does not rotate,
that comets and meteorites are preferentially attracted to certain temperature differentials,
that gravity is affected by heat and temperature,

Wrong again, YOU are the one that said those things, Dex rebutted them.​

To these there is nothing in the Quran stating by word that the moon does not rotate, that comets and meteorites are preferentially

attracted to certain temperature differentials, that gravity is affected by heat and temperature;

You said that Al Hilly interpreted this from the Koran.

while about "that Mars is inhabited by people and other large animals

" the Quran points out that the planets include people, animals and plant.

It is wrong, as usual. Earth is the only habitable planet for humans, large animals, etc. in our solar system at the present time. You stated that Mars was also, and you were wrong then.​

The inspired interpreter of the Quran said in his book some important informations

; and here is some explanation:

​

• "The moon does not rotate": it is a matter of imagination and expression; the moon keeps the same face towards the earth, and you say it is locked! and it rotates around itself in tha same period as it rotates around the earth!" While the interpreter said it does not rotate around itself.

• Both the rotation of the Moon and its revolution around Earth takes 27 days, 7 hours, and 43 minutes. If the moon did not rotate, we would see a different part of the moon every time we looked at it. DUH!!!

• "That comets and meteorites are preferentially attracted to certain temperature differentials"

Comets prefer the cold and frozen parts of the earth, not the meteorites which may fall anywhere.​

Proof?​

• "That gravity is affected by heat and temperature":

The interpreter said the gravity is caused by the heat of the object which in turn is caused by the movement of its internal particles.​

The interpreter is wrong. That has been demonstrated.​

• "that Mars is inhabited by people and other large animals"With the exception of Mercury and Venus on which life has been exterminated) the planets including Mars are inhabited by people, animals: large and small, and plants, with some variations and similarities with the Earth alive beings – like how Australia animals and plants differ and like the other parts of the Earth.

eanassir

http://universeandquran.site.io​

This is just incredibly silly.

 

[L Gilbert]

In case you have a company or a factory, and you have many workers working for you in this factory ..........The explanation:
(In the name of God, Most Gracious*, Most Merciful**)
……………………………………………………………
*i.e. Merciful to both believers and disbelievers, in this life of the World.​

**i.e. Merciful –only –to believers, in the Hereafter.] ​

eanassir

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

Nonsense

 

[L Gilbert]

The miracle of the prophet​

When the apostle comes to his people, they will become two parties: some (being good-hearted and kind to the poor and the weak) will believe and others [being hard-hearted, rude and rough in dealing with orphans and widows) will not...........for surely your Lord knows best anyone who [deserves misguidance so He will leave him be and he] errs from His way, and He knows best who may accept guidance [so He will guide him].)​

eanassir

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

Well, I am content with guiding myself with the help of a few other people. I have no need for the belief in some fictitious entity and especially that of some book written by fallible humans about some fictitious being..

 

[L Gilbert]

The old fables​

The Quran is not fables; it is the true authentic word of God; it is word by word, the word of God, revealed to Prophet Mohammed, the truthful and trustworthy; the angel Gabriel the Holy Ghost revealed it on different occasions.​

Who says so?​

This is in the Quran 16: 24

​

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُم مَّاذَا أَنزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ قَالُواْ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ​

The explanation:
(When it is said to them: "What is it that your Lord has sent down?", they say: "[Only] written fables of the ancients.")​

This expression has been mentioned in the Quran 10 times: in 10 ayat.
The strange thing is that the ancient used this expression "the old fables" thousands of years ago, and it was said to every apostle concerning his message. ​

This indicates it is one of the tools of Satan suggestions that he whispers to them, and they receive it while they are unaware.​

So it is fables then.There is nothing wrong with fables. What is wrong is that some people believe them to be factual and take them literally.

 

[Kreskin]

Indicators of a delusion
(Munro, 1999)

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

 

[L Gilbert]

If a man is walking in a street, and a stone or a heavy metal piece came and hit him; is this a decree? Why should it come directly and specifically on and didn't slip right or left, or come a moment later or before when it would not hit him?​

Ever heard of a thing called chance?​

When an earthquake comes on a city; why doesn't it come on the periphery or precinct of that city or in the wilderness?

wow And you actually passed med school? Do you shake a rattle and cast spells warding off evil and wear a grass skirt?
Take a look at the history of earthquakes and you'll find they occur in many other places besides cities. ​

Therefore, this aya of the Quran 57: 22 tells us about such an affliction whether on the individual or the community:

مَا أَصَابَ مِن مُّصِيبَةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فِي أَنفُسِكُمْ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مِّن قَبْلِ أَن نَّبْرَأَهَا إِنَّ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ

The explanation:
(No affliction befalls in the earth or in yourselves, but it is [written] in a Book [with Us], before We let it happen; that is quite easy to God.)​

It means: if such an affliction is decreed and written that it should befall that certain man or woman, but he does some righteous work or gives some alms for God's sake, then God may avert that affliction from him, or else He let it happen.​

Moreover, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 11: 117​

وَمَا كَانَ رَبُّكَ لِيُهْلِكَ الْقُرَى بِظُلْمٍ وَأَهْلُهَا مُصْلِحُونَ​

The explanation:
(Nor would your Lord [O Mohammed] destroy the cities unjustly when their people being reformers.)​

And He said in the Quran 28: 59​

وَمَا كُنَّا مُهْلِكِي الْقُرَى إِلَّا وَأَهْلُهَا ظَالِمُونَ​

The explanation:
(And We never destroyed the cities unless that their people were wrong-doers.)​

Conclusion:
These countries afflicted with such natural disasters as earthquakes, epidemics, wars …etc;
their peoples are associating other saints, imams, Jesus, Ali, Ezra, or Lucifer with God in the worshipping and servitude,
or they have followed the atheism, the homosexuality and adultery,
and they are wrong-doers: they wrong each other and wrong other peoples and transgress on them; ​

and the most serious wrong is to associate someone or something with God and worship that associate together with God and glorify him as do they glorify God; therefore they deserve such an affliction; and that is in spite of the fact that God pardons much of their sins. ​

Lemme see *inspects self*. I am affliction free except the aging thing. Yet I am atheist so why hasn't this god shot me with a bolt of lightening or slipped a mickey of deadly virii into my glass of juice? Maybe because the thin doesn't exist except in the weak little minds of some humans? That's my guess.
​

 

[L Gilbert]

I mean in addition to the language, the accent of the speaker can be recognized, other than the style; so that if I read someone words, I may recognize him, eventhough he comes under another pseudonym. ​

So the Quran speaks for itself that it is the true word of God, according to its fluency and eloquence of the Arab language............​

Well. I am a god because I say so using my fluency and eloquence of the English language then.​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well. I am a god because I say so using my fluency and eloquence of the English language then.[/left]

I bow to you, Oh Great One, you are indeed eloquent and fluent, and right about most things I've seen you post about. But if you expect worship, forget it, ain't going to happen. Nothing and nobody I've ever encountered in my life is worthy of such unconditional admiration. You'll just have to be satisfied with the recognition that you're a pretty good guy. :lol:

 

[Tonington]

All my life I've had a couple of outstanding problems with respect to #1 the limiting factor of the speed of light.

There are maximum speeds for falling objects due to the earth's gravitational field, until we remove obstacles like air resistance. The maximum speed of light is calculated with all obstacles removed. Stick a pane of glass in the way and the photons slow down.

Let me try and demonstrate my difficulty with the big bang/singularity thing. As entrophy completes it's universe crush it must reverse into the big bang, it must "stop" to do this, right there I lost belief in the idea.

Ideas can change of course The big bang as the cause of our expanding universe still beats all other explanations hands down every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I'm under the impression that stopping is like time, a concept only. It's always been my assumtion that nothing stops, not even collapsing universes, I can't visualize it (the universe) continuing in the same direction past nothing (no mass or energy) and exploding into everything, anti-universe, either.

You aren't the first, or last, to have problems imagining compressing the universe into something so small, and then rebounding again. It makes more sense to me when you include equilibrium, but it still makes my head both spin and feel as though it's compressed into a space that a quark would fill.

Similarly I can't conceptualize a state of nothingness and timelessness, these concepts seem fundemental to living organisms like humans.

Likely why we weren't capable of being living things 12.5 billion years ago

Have you ever wondered what alien math is like?

If they can enumerate, I imagine it would be the same principles, only with funny symbols for their numbers, or perhaps no written language at all! 8O

 

[L Gilbert]

I bow to you, Oh Great One, you are indeed eloquent and fluent, and right about most things I've seen you post about. But if you expect worship, forget it, ain't going to happen. Nothing and nobody I've ever encountered in my life is worthy of such unconditional admiration. You'll just have to be satisfied with the recognition that you're a pretty good guy. :lol:

lol Sounds fine by me, Dex. Unlike that other guy, I CAN be gracious and accept that not everyone should have to give my subjects tithes, obey my rules even if I don't, etc. Also, unlike the other guy, I am not a myth and being only homo sapiens, do not expect people to believe fantasies are real. hehehe
Anyway, you do quite well yourself at this posting game so you must be a deity, too, Oh Dazzling Dexter. :lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

........
You aren't the first, or last, to have problems imagining compressing the universe into something so small, and then rebounding again. It makes more sense to me when you include equilibrium, but it still makes my head both spin and feel as though it's compressed into a space that a quark would fill.......

Likely why we weren't capable of being living things 12.5 billion years ago ...........

hehehe Took me a while to actually realize what "nothing meant", too, Towering Tonington . Once you take EVERYTHING from an area and put it into your little quark-sized thimble, there isn't even an area left. But now I think it's just cool. The other realization that kinda shook me a little was one of the times I was snooping through the White Lake Radio Observatory and someone told me they listen to radio signals that were billions of years old. Kinda made me realize how immense the universe was. Being a kid is awesome when you are nosy. lol

 

[L Gilbert]

lol Speaking of being amused, I am still chuckling that someone still thinks religion came up with (3rd post page 5):

Quote: Was it religion that came up with the laws of gravity?

Yup

Quote: The theory of evolution?

Yup

Quote: The laws of thermal dynamics?​

Yup



Quote: The theory of relativity?

Yup​

So even the religions themselves aren't aware that it was they and not I. Newton, C. Darwin, and S. Carnot respectively that came up with the law of gravity, the theory of evolution, and the laws of thermodynamics.

​

 

[eanassir]

One who denies the Creator, usually denies the afterlife too. While one who believes in God, usually believes in the afterlife.

Therefore, in the Quran, the mentioning of those who believe in God, is usually accompanied by their belief in the afterlife.

This is in the Quran 4: 39​

وَمَاذَا عَلَيْهِمْ لَوْ آمَنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَأَنفَقُواْ مِمَّا رَزَقَهُمُ اللّهُ وَكَانَ اللّهُ بِهِم عَلِيمًا​

The explanation:
(What [harm] would it do them if they believed in God and in the Last Day, and expended [in alms] of what God has provided them with? But God is Well-Acquainted of them.)​