The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

[Just the Facts]

Eventually the most popular and smart person will invent a theory to advance all society. Please relax.

Yes, I should be posting it any day now. :lol:

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Time

My sentences are choppy today. Sorry about that. I will fix the time explanation.

I remember the time when people invented the sundial. Birds have a specific pattern of living. A group of hunters decide to hunt the birds. Birds relax the most near the waterfall. The sun is the highest and brightest and the birds fly near the waterfall.

People had trouble imagining the highest and brightest noon. One guy decide to relax and observe nature. He decide to mark the most obvious shadows with stones. The guy correctly predicted arrival of the highest and brightest sun.The guy tell the other hunters to leave the guys' home a bit earlier than the arrival of the brightest sun. The hunters follow the guy's advice. The hunters saw the arrival of the birds. The hunters had a very successful hunt.

One hunter asked the guy's invention. The guy decide to call his concept time. Each obvious shadow marks a specific sequence. The highest and brightest sun or shortest shadow is called "noon" or "12 o'clock". This eventually become very popular. Everyone decide to use this concept.

Time marks progress. Time help people to achieve success and predict movements.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

All part of doing some dangerous things in a dangerous world. The forum people wouldn't let me change my posts. I was stuck.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

If you don't like smart, I can always type: "Eventually the most popular and intelligent person will invent a theory to advance all parts of the society. Please relax."

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir, what would those old fables have said about something like the Indonesian/Thailand tidal wave?

The old fables​

The Quran is not fables; it is the true authentic word of God; it is word by word, the word of God, revealed to Prophet Mohammed, the truthful and trustworthy; the angel Gabriel the Holy Ghost revealed it on different occasions.

This is in the Quran 16: 24​

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُم مَّاذَا أَنزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ قَالُواْ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ​

The explanation:
(When it is said to them: "What is it that your Lord has sent down?", they say: "[Only] written fables of the ancients.")

This expression has been mentioned in the Quran 10 times: in 10 ayat.
The strange thing is that the ancient used this expression "the old fables" thousands of years ago, and it was said to every apostle concerning his message.

This indicates it is one of the tools of Satan suggestions that he whispers to them, and they receive it while they are unaware.​

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir, what would those old fables have said about something like the Indonesian/Thailand tidal wave? It would have pointed to some guy who had an adulterous affair and claimed some God washed a pile of water over him and his people, or some other nutty speculation accepted as fact.

If a man is walking in a street, and a stone or a heavy metal piece came and hit him; is this a decree? Why should it come directly and specifically on and didn't slip right or left, or come a moment later or before when it would not hit him?

When an earthquake comes on a city; why doesn't it come on the periphery or precinct of that city or in the wilderness?

Therefore, this aya of the Quran 57: 22 tells us about such an affliction whether on the individual or the community:​

مَا أَصَابَ مِن مُّصِيبَةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فِي أَنفُسِكُمْ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مِّن قَبْلِ أَن نَّبْرَأَهَا إِنَّ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(No affliction befalls in the earth or in yourselves, but it is [written] in a Book [with Us], before We let it happen; that is quite easy to God.)

It means: if such an affliction is decreed and written that it should befall that certain man or woman, but he does some righteous work or gives some alms for God's sake, then God may avert that affliction from him, or else He let it happen.

Moreover, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 11: 117​

وَمَا كَانَ رَبُّكَ لِيُهْلِكَ الْقُرَى بِظُلْمٍ وَأَهْلُهَا مُصْلِحُونَ​

The explanation:
(Nor would your Lord [O Mohammed] destroy the cities unjustly when their people being reformers.)

And He said in the Quran 28: 59​

وَمَا كُنَّا مُهْلِكِي الْقُرَى إِلَّا وَأَهْلُهَا ظَالِمُونَ​

The explanation:
(And We never destroyed the cities unless that their people were wrong-doers.)

Conclusion:
These countries afflicted with such natural disasters as earthquakes, epidemics, wars …etc;
their peoples are associating other saints, imams, Jesus, Ali, Ezra, or Lucifer with God in the worshipping and servitude,
or they have followed the atheism, the homosexuality and adultery,
and they are wrong-doers: they wrong each other and wrong other peoples and transgress on them;
and the most serious wrong is to associate someone or something with God and worship that associate together with God and glorify him as do they glorify God; therefore they deserve such an affliction; and that is in spite of the fact that God pardons much of their sins. ​

 

[Kreskin]

it is the true authentic word of God; it is word by word, the word of God, revealed to Prophet Mohammed, the truthful and trustworthy; the angel Gabriel the Holy Ghost revealed it on different occasions.

How can it be authentic when it can't be authenticated?

 

[eanassir]

How can it be authentic when it can't be authenticated?

So you need an evident witness; therefore, which is the most serious witness: the word of God or the words of people?​

This is in the Quran 6: 19​

قُلْ أَيُّ شَيْءٍ أَكْبَرُ شَهَادةً قُلِ اللّهِ شَهِيدٌ بِيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَأُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ هَذَا الْقُرْآنُ لأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَشْهَدُونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللّهِ آلِهَةً أُخْرَى قُل لاَّ أَشْهَدُ قُلْ إِنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّنِي بَرِيءٌ مِّمَّا تُشْرِكُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say: "What thing bears a most serious witness [: words of God or words of people?]" ​

Say [to them]: "God is a Witness between me and you [that He has sent me to you, and His words [: the Quran, testify that for my behalf]; ​

and this Quran has been revealed to me to warn you therewith [of God's punishment if you do not believe and abandon the idolatry]; ​

and him who reaches [his age of adulthood is to be warned in like manner.] ​

Is it so that you give witness that there are other gods besides God!?" ​

Say: "I do not give such a witness, and indeed I am clear of all that you associate [with God.]")​

Moreover, it is mentioned another aya 4: 166​

لَّكِنِ اللّهُ يَشْهَدُ بِمَا أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكَ أَنزَلَهُ بِعِلْمِهِ وَالْمَلآئِكَةُ يَشْهَدُونَ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ شَهِيدًا​

The explanation:
(But God bears witness [for you, Mohammed,] to what He has revealed to you: He has revealed it with His knowledge,
and the angels also bear witness [for you];
though God suffices as a Witness.)​

 

[Scott Free]

So you need an evident witness; therefore, which is the most serious witness: the word of God or the words of people?

This is in the Quran 6: 19​

قُلْ أَيُّ شَيْءٍ أَكْبَرُ شَهَادةً قُلِ اللّهِ شَهِيدٌ بِيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَأُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ هَذَا الْقُرْآنُ لأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَشْهَدُونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللّهِ آلِهَةً أُخْرَى قُل لاَّ أَشْهَدُ قُلْ إِنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّنِي بَرِيءٌ مِّمَّا تُشْرِكُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say: "What thing bears a most serious witness [: words of God or words of people?]"
​

Muhammad was a person so this argument contradicts itself. Even if Muhammad were speaking for god the words were still a mans words - that is to say it was a mans voice the witnesses heard. They did not hear gods voice or his words.

Your argument demonstrates that the Quran is false because it is the words of a man (no matter who he spoke for the voice was a mans).

Also the Quran was written by human accounts of what they heard. Again this means the entire book is entirely the accounts of men not god.

 

[Kreskin]

So you need an evident witness; therefore, which is the most serious witness: the word of God or the words of people?​

This is in the Quran 6: 19​

قُلْ أَيُّ شَيْءٍ أَكْبَرُ شَهَادةً قُلِ اللّهِ شَهِيدٌ بِيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَأُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ هَذَا الْقُرْآنُ لأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَشْهَدُونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللّهِ آلِهَةً أُخْرَى قُل لاَّ أَشْهَدُ قُلْ إِنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّنِي بَرِيءٌ مِّمَّا تُشْرِكُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say: "What thing bears a most serious witness [: words of God or words of people?]" ​

Say [to them]: "God is a Witness between me and you [that He has sent me to you, and His words [: the Quran, testify that for my behalf]; ​

and this Quran has been revealed to me to warn you therewith [of God's punishment if you do not believe and abandon the idolatry]; ​

and him who reaches [his age of adulthood is to be warned in like manner.] ​

Is it so that you give witness that there are other gods besides God!?" ​

Say: "I do not give such a witness, and indeed I am clear of all that you associate [with God.]")​

If someone says they speak for God it is just automatic that he/she is being factual? Come on eanassir, there needs to be more critical thought than just blind acceptance to someone's word on such a mighty claim. In those days it was easy pickens to declare unsubstantiated claims as fact. Why didn't God tell people the world wasn't flat, or is that still up for debate?

 

[eanassir]

Muhammad was a person so this argument contradicts itself. Even if Muhammad were speaking for god the words were still a mans words - that is to say it was a mans voice the witnesses heard. They did not hear gods voice or his words.

Your argument demonstrates that the Quran is false because it is the words of a man (no matter who he spoke for the voice was a mans).

Also the Quran was written by human accounts of what they heard. Again this means the entire book is entirely the accounts of men not god.

Is the apostle an individual one, or all people are apostles?

So you want to hear the voice of God to believe; which cannot be; even in the time of Moses to whom God spoke with an audible voice other than the revelation (exclusive from all other apostles to whom God only revealed the revealtion).

And this is the most haughty pride: that man wants God to reveal to him and speak to him; then why should God send the apostles? And will He give this honor to every one or only to whom He selects because He knows him capable of carrying out such a task?

This is in the Quran 6: 124​

وَإِذَا جَاءتْهُمْ آيَةٌ قَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ حَتَّى نُؤْتَى مِثْلَ مَا أُوتِيَ رُسُلُ اللّهِ اللّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ سَيُصِيبُ الَّذِينَ أَجْرَمُواْ صَغَارٌ عِندَ اللّهِ وَعَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَمْكُرُونَ​

The explanation:
(And when there comes to them [: the chief criminals of Mecca] a [scientific] miracle [: the Quran],

they say: "We will not believe [in the Quran nor in the messenger] until we are given [some material miracles] like that God's messengers were given";

God knows best where to place His message.

There shall befall the criminals [: the chiefs who plotted to kill the messenger] humiliation before God [in the world of souls after their death], and grievous chastisement [in the Hereafter] because of their plotting.)



eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

If someone says they speak for God it is just automatic that he/she is being factual? Come on eanassir, there needs to be more critical thought than just blind acceptance to someone's word on such a mighty claim. In those days it was easy pickens to declare unsubstantiated claims as fact. Why didn't God tell people the world wasn't flat, or is that still up for debate?

If you hear an Englishman speak or Irish or American, won't you know him from his accent? And we can recognize the Egyptian or the Lebanese or others according to their accent in like manner.

Therefore, when you hear the Quran, you will know it is the word of your Lord the Creator. Even if man is non-Arab and he hear the Arabic Quran recited to him (but without singing and tuning), he will know it is the word of the Lord of the nations and worlds (on condition that his heart is intact, and pure from the association, the hypocrisy, the wrongdoing and the misery.)

The Quran tells people that the earth is spherical. See it here:
A miracle of the Quran: the authentic word of God

Moreover, I ask you: Do you believe in the apostles and prophets of God: Moses, Jesus, Isaiah, Elijah, David, Solomon …etc, or not?

This is in the Quran 28: 49​

قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَى مِنْهُمَا أَتَّبِعْهُ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to them]: "Bring a Book from God that gives better guidance than either [of the Torah and the Quran], which then I will certainly follow, if you speak truly.")



eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[Kreskin]

I may hear an Englishman's accent but I don't necessarily believe everything that he says.

Do you believe in the apostles and prophets of God: Moses, Jesus, Isaiah, Elijah, David, Solomon …etc, or not?

They were probably real people. I believe David Koresh was a real person too. If he had lived back then you've probably have a second David on your list. Do I think Moses parted the Red Sea? Not a chance. Do I think they had any connection to a higher power? No. Probably good salesmen. Would've been good televangelists if the tube was around.

 

[typingrandomstuff]

Hooray? Hooray? Hooray?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... there is nothing in the Quran stating by word that the moon does not rotate, that comets and meteorites are preferentially attracted to certain temperature differentials, that gravity is affected by heat and temperature;

I didn't say it does, your argument's a straw man fallacy. You have an entire web site devoted to explaining the universe based on interpretation of the Quran that you keep pointing us to. I merely said that you and Al-Hilly have used the Quran in support of such claims; if that is a correct interpretation of the Quran, then the Quran is wrong, because almost all the empirically verifiable claims on that web site are wrong.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Something I've been wondering about recently, but not enough to actually open books, is lightning. I assume that it goes up...

I'd have to open the books too, to be sure my memory is correct, but what it tells me is that most lightning discharges happen within the cloud where the updrafts and downdrafts in the vertical column of a thunderhead produce a charge separation, by mechanisms that aren't well understood. Lightning that contacts the ground is actually two bolts. There's a small one called the leader that snakes relatively slowly down through the air from the cloud to the ground and creates an ionized channel--air's actually a pretty good insulator most of the time--and the main bolt then goes up that channel from the ground to the cloud.

 

[L Gilbert]

Why thank you for that approval...........it's about debating.

Whatever. You win whatever it is you wanted to win.
BTW, that does not mean that whatever you say is the truth; it simply means you are boring me.

 

[L Gilbert]

The most important is the scientific attitude and mentality, before the dictation and lectures.​

Quite right. It is much more important than the belief in hearsay from a silly book of parables, fantasies, etc. ​

This means one should not take any word in lectures and textbooks as absolutely true as if revealed from God and infallible; because as were the ancient wrong in some of their ideas, the recent people may also fall in many faults, but the science is to correct, investigate and study. And the scientist should never discard any idea or opinion unless proven false.

Who says that some god isabsolutely true and infallible? The god itself? Why would anyone believe anyone else that says they are infallible? That's just foolish.​

We had once a professor in surgery; he taught us many practical rules like: "Don't forget to ask yourself why." And concerning the thinking and clinical examination, he said: "Don't believe except yourself." He means: Don't let others think for you, neither do imitate others in any way, but depend on yourself and your judgment of the condition.

Ah, so if someone else says fire is hot and it will burn us, we should ask ourselves why and not believe them until we try it ourselves and get burnt? That's just stupid.
How about if I said not to take a loaded handgun, put it to your head, and pull the trigger because it might kill you. You would try it yourself to see if I was right? lmao​

To this professor, who died recently, I presented the Arabic book (The Universe and the Quran), and said to him: "The author of this book is not graduated at any school; he merely writes and reads Arabic." He said: "Not necessarily, not essential at all." But I did not see him afterwards to know his reaction.

Perhaps this professor died because he tried the act with the handgun I mentioned to see if told the truth.

About the relation of the total solar eclipse in causing some earthquakes – this was my personal opinion, after observing many strong earthquakes following the total solar eclipses.

As Dex mentioned before and you ignored, there are several earthquaked per week over the magnitude of 5. The proper thing to do would be to prove your hypothesis or else people simply won't believe you.​

Then I saw that a researcher from Jordan also said that, and gave another explanation, which I don't remember.

Hypotheses are easy to come up with. Not all are right.​

But as to the cause of the earthquake see this in the book of (The Universe and the Quran) by the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al Hilly:

​

"Earthquakes and volcanoes occur because of the gases present inside the Earth, under high pressure. These gases issue from the fire that burns inside the core of the Earth. ​

[The earthquake]:
The gases rush but cannot find an exit, so the Earth surface will tremble and quake, and the severity of this quaking is related to the degree of that pressure. ​

He is wrong, of course.
As simply as I can state it, sudden lateral or vertical movements in Earth's lithosphere along ruptures or weak spots are what causes earthquakes not subterranean belching. What causes tectonic movement is convection of Earth's mantle. The mantle is not gas. Gas can easily escape the mantle and does frequently. (Ever heard of Old Faithful?) It is what a large part of our atmosphere is made of.​

[The volcano]:
But when there is much of the liquefied materials in the core of the Earth, they will try to get out, and when the crust of the Earth yields, then the volcano will erupt."​

http://universeandquran.741.com/My%20Webs/new_page_3.htm#Earthquake%20and%20Cleavage​

eanassir

http://universeandquran.741.com​

[/quote]This is only partly true.

 

[L Gilbert]

The new heavenly book will come when the old ones have been distorted; this is the Quran: it came to correct the mistakes and distortions that occurred in the Torah and the Gospel.​

The Quran is the last heavenly book; it is dynamic and alive. It is applicable in all circumstances and in all affairs of life, in the past, the present and the future.​

So are Grimms' faerie tales.​

The new interpretation of the Quran will be like a new instruction and a new revelation

; it gives it a time extension.

Hopefully it will be less fictitious and more realistic.​

About the relatively little amount of science that man has achieved till now; it is like a drop in an ocean, or a dust particle in a vast desert; to God it is only so little; this is in the Quran 17: 85

​

وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً​

The explanation:
(And you [people] are given only a little knowledge.)​

It means: Whatever knowledge you are given, it is only very little in relation to the infinite and absolute knowledge of God.​

eanassir

http://universeandquran.741.com​

What if there are no gods? As your professor told you, "Ask yourself why" do you believe this stuff. Or do you believe it just because Al Hilly or Mohamad said so?

 

[L Gilbert]

I wonder if religious writings would've survived if, when originally written, there was an understanding of the world and universe as there is today.

I think they would be vastly different. It seems that religions just state stuff and assume people will believe it. When they say something and science proves otherwise, the religions either call BS or scramble to amend their hearsay to conform to science.