No, it isn't mentioned in the Quran about you in particular; it is a general statement, but it is applied to many of the people.
Jesus's contradiction? Miracles vs. Sacrifice.
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No, it isn't mentioned in the Quran about you in particular; it is a general statement, but it is applied to many of the people.
Well ignorance applies to all of us for none of us have the straight answer.
Because you believe in the Koran does not say I am ignorant because I believe in the bible nor does an unbeliever believe that all believers are ignorant because they do not place all their faith in the sciences.
So which is it my friend; only yours?
Yes, God is a needed help in the midst of a hellish environment. By hellish environment I mean everything that is earthly that is against the flesh.
The flesh profited nothing from this earth but suffering, toil and pain, but one’s spirit may live in hope of a better life afterwards, and that be given us by God.
Yes, God has allowed us our free trip here as we choose to live it with or without acknowledging Him.
Eanassir is free to believe as he does, I have my choice to believe what I want and the others have their choice as well.
I like quote the old wise owl whose wisdom was far beyond any man, Kink Solomon: Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Therefore my friend, unless God blankets us all with His love, none of us regardless of what we believe would have, save our souls from utter separation.
Hence, He left message, love God with all thine heart, mind and soul and love thy neighbor as thy self.
If we practice the first, we honor the second.
If we practice the second we honor the first.
There are no other ways but these two.
So, if my God gives me instructions to love my neighbor as I do love myself, then guess what? I am honoring God!
The Koran, the bible and the sciences are all bits of knowledge, but the truth lies within each one’s heart, to exercise compassion, kindness and help where help is needed towards our fellow human beings.
Some of us are wealthier than others, healthier than others and mentally smarter than others, yet we should consider the plight of the soul, souls that have not these things and are suffering because of it and offer what ever our hearts dictate in help.
That my friend is the true religion!
Peace>>>AJ
Look3467,
This sentence does not concern you neither is it related to you in anyway:
"The other ignorant, will of course, say: Who cares!? "
It came by chance as I was composing the reply.
You are never ignorant; on the contrary you have much knowledge and an excellent conduct. All your latest reply is full of wisdom and all of it is correct. Thank you.:smile:
But – as it is a medical term – your fatal mistake is your enthusiasm concerning Jesus – peace be on him, to the extent that you consider him God Himself, and beware of this tremendous thing that even the heavens are about to split up because of its seriousness. Even Jesus does not agree about such a thing.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
This sentence does not concern you neither is it related to you in anyway:
"The other ignorant, will of course, say: Who cares!? "
It came by chance as I was composing the reply.
You are never ignorant; on the contrary you have much knowledge and an excellent conduct. All your latest reply is full of wisdom and all of it is correct. Thank you.:smile:
But – as it is a medical term – your fatal mistake is your enthusiasm concerning Jesus – peace be on him, to the extent that you consider him God Himself, and beware of this tremendous thing that even the heavens are about to split up because of its seriousness. Even Jesus does not agree about such a thing.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
The Final Knot?
I forgot to mention whether Jesus is a miracle worker or a sacrificial worker. Most religions involves sacrifice of birds, animals, humans. I guess Jesus also used some sort of sacrifice to perform a miracle. I guess Jesus doesn't like the sacrifice and Jesus still had to perform some sort of sacrifice? Jesus is a miracle worker comparing to the fighters. Jesus is a sacrificial worker comparing to an average person without the chance to sacrifice. The situation depends on comparison and beliefs.
The bible involves some sacrifices such as the Abraham's son and the god, and the many sacrifices to achieve a winning battle. This is sort of cheating. I will stick to planning out tactics and finding a way to adapt.
I forgot to mention whether Jesus is a miracle worker or a sacrificial worker. Most religions involves sacrifice of birds, animals, humans. I guess Jesus also used some sort of sacrifice to perform a miracle. I guess Jesus doesn't like the sacrifice and Jesus still had to perform some sort of sacrifice? Jesus is a miracle worker comparing to the fighters. Jesus is a sacrificial worker comparing to an average person without the chance to sacrifice. The situation depends on comparison and beliefs.
The bible involves some sacrifices such as the Abraham's son and the god, and the many sacrifices to achieve a winning battle. This is sort of cheating. I will stick to planning out tactics and finding a way to adapt.
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The 'great book' as you call it, has you by the throat, and if you dare to think a thought of
your own, without consulting the book, your neck gets squeezed harder. you are a slave
and not your own person, not an individual, not free, not flexible, but a person of religious laws, none of which apply to our life here on our earth.
We don't need a book to prop us up, we have our own strength, we know who we are,
without the book.
If i was the person I am, but lived within your 'religious laws', I would be killed for trying
to live as a free woman, with a free mind of my own, a good person, who would harm
no one, but would be harmed by your 'rigid laws, in your book', for having an opinion.
We have come so far, you have been left so far behind, and it will take hundreds and
hundreds of years for your women to have any freedom. I think about them, and I wish them well, and I hope for their freedom down the road, but how many will be bound in slavery from the wicked laws against them, before that ever happens.
your own, without consulting the book, your neck gets squeezed harder. you are a slave
and not your own person, not an individual, not free, not flexible, but a person of religious laws, none of which apply to our life here on our earth.
We don't need a book to prop us up, we have our own strength, we know who we are,
without the book.
If i was the person I am, but lived within your 'religious laws', I would be killed for trying
to live as a free woman, with a free mind of my own, a good person, who would harm
no one, but would be harmed by your 'rigid laws, in your book', for having an opinion.
We have come so far, you have been left so far behind, and it will take hundreds and
hundreds of years for your women to have any freedom. I think about them, and I wish them well, and I hope for their freedom down the road, but how many will be bound in slavery from the wicked laws against them, before that ever happens.
“Enthusiasm” is interest only, but faith is trust, reliance on, acceptance of things not seen; not “concerning” Jesus, but in Jesus.
This faith is in the faith of Jesus which my soul finds rest.
I don’t expect you to understand the divinity of Jesus because you come from the point of view of the Koran.
But to speak to unbelievers without Gods benevolence is to declare the Koran’s words without love.
It is like saying, believe in the Koran or else!
The law is stronger in that sense then by the spirit in which the law was given.
For the spirit of the law is love: Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Faith then is the vehicle by which the love of God is demonstrated in us.
The law kills and to hold anyone to the law is to condemn.
I am free from the law that condemns for the law has been fulfilled by Jesus for me, setting me free from the law.
I therefore set free anyone and condemn not anyone by any law, bible or Koran, but instead try to lead by example, by action and by word of mouth the goodness and love of God.
Were it easy for mankind to believe in God there wouldn’t be any need for opposition.
Opposition was meant to be overcome by the power of God in us to the perfecting of our souls.
Ecc 11:8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.
My dark days are gone for now I abide in the light!
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
I see in all those words the light of Gods love towards mankind and not the darkness of the law.
Can you rise above the law in spirit and love as Jesus did?
Do you abide in the light?
Peace>>>AJ
My thoughts exactly. Guess I'll see you in Hell, eh? :smile: I'll buy you a drink and share my smokes with you. Wothehell, can't hurt us anymore, we'll already be dead, and it sounds a lot more interesting than any description of Paradise I've ever seen.
Well, you won't even have to carry matches, instant light down there. ;-) I'll take the drink,
you can have your smokes.
What do you think hell is 'Dex'. Hell for me would be, having to obey that 'bossy book'.
Well, okay, but I don't smoke now, no reason to start then I suppose, but if we're going to be dissolute, might as well go all the way.
I don't believe there's any such place as Hell, but having to live by that silly book, or eanassir's interpretation of it, while being forced to listen to rap and hip-hop all the time and standing waist deep in manure, but on my head, would pretty much cover it.
You're right, no hell, the only hell, is the hell people make for themselves before they
are dead, after that, there is no anything.>>>talloola
That is correct by me, and sometimes or in some peoples lives, they can't help it but live in hell, such as a war torn country whose leaders are evil.
To such are worthy of our compassion, our kindness and our help regardless of what religion we espouse.
Peace>>>AJ
are dead, after that, there is no anything.>>>talloola
That is correct by me, and sometimes or in some peoples lives, they can't help it but live in hell, such as a war torn country whose leaders are evil.
To such are worthy of our compassion, our kindness and our help regardless of what religion we espouse.
Peace>>>AJ
Oh, let me add to that that after this, is life, given to us freely, wheather we want to believe it or not.
We have no choice in the matter only to accept it as part of life, if we want.
Peace>>>AJ
We have no choice in the matter only to accept it as part of life, if we want.
Peace>>>AJ
Um. If anyone wants to know, I don't think Jesus is a big sacrificer. Comparing to the other religious leaders, Jesus is more like a miracle worker. I can guess the following percentage: miracles: 60% sacrifice: 40%
What's this look3457? Don't you know that all the heavenly religions admit there is the afterlife? Now you give some inforcement to these atheists: the enemy of God; because they claim there is no afterlife, and you too said this.
Did Jesus say there is no afterlife, or have you said this of your own accord?
When Jesus came, he was victorious on his enemies: the disbelievers;
- They could not kill him; the governor killed Barabbas who was imprisoned for some murders he committed; in addition, the governor released Jesus and he was safe of their wickedness.
- God took revenge on them because of their denial and blasphemy, and Titus conquered them in the year 71 AD; after which they were scattered in the whole earth.
- The kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Islam nation who practiced the commandments of God, in particular the First and the most important one of these commandments: to serve God alone.
This is in the Quran 61: 14
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا كُونوا أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ كَمَا قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ لِلْحَوَارِيِّينَ مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللَّهِ فَآَمَنَت طَّائِفَةٌ مِّن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَكَفَرَت طَّائِفَةٌ فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا عَلَى عَدُوِّهِمْ فَأَصْبَحُوا ظَاهِرِينَ
The explanation:
(O you who believe, be the helpers of God [helping your prophet as did the Disciples help Jesus], as did Jesus, Mary's son, say to the Disciples [: the Apostles]:
"Who will be my helpers for [the religion of] God?"
Said the Disciples: "We will be the helpers [of the religion] of God."
And a party of the Children of Israel believed [in Jesus: becoming the Christians], and a party unbelieved [: remaining as Jews.]
So We aided those who believed [: the Christians] against their enemies [: the Jews], and they [the Christians] prevailed [over Jews; and likewise you, Muslims, will prevail over all religions.] )
(O you who believe, be the helpers of God [helping your prophet as did the Disciples help Jesus], as did Jesus, Mary's son, say to the Disciples [: the Apostles]:
"Who will be my helpers for [the religion of] God?"
Said the Disciples: "We will be the helpers [of the religion] of God."
And a party of the Children of Israel believed [in Jesus: becoming the Christians], and a party unbelieved [: remaining as Jews.]
So We aided those who believed [: the Christians] against their enemies [: the Jews], and they [the Christians] prevailed [over Jews; and likewise you, Muslims, will prevail over all religions.] )
This is very good, and I may add more explanation:
Man has to love his brother and his neighbor, but this love should be for God's sake;
And he has to help the poor and the needy, but this help should be for God's love;
And man has to do every righteous work, but in all this he should seek the good pleasure of God.
Therefore, the believer in God alone has to love the righteous servants of God: for the sake of God, as should he dislike the enemy of God, for the sake of God Almighty.
Example:
Prophet Abraham – peace be on him – was the example for all believers in his submission to the will of God alone; he loved God alone more than anything and anyone else; so that when he despaired of the belief of his father and he knew for certain that his father is an enemy of God, Abraham quit himself of his father and left him be.
Then he had no son and became an old man when God offered to him his only son Ismael (before the birth of Isaac) God ordered him to slaughter his only son whom he loved very much, and Abraham obeyed, and God saved his son from that.
And before all this, when he was still in Iraq among his people, he broke up the idols and paid no attention to the refusal of his people; therefore, God assigned him as God's loyal friend and exclusive ally.
Therefore, we have to love the righteous and monotheists, as should we dislike and disown the atheist, the disbeliever and the idolater and the associater who associates other patrons with God Almighty.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
Man has to love his brother and his neighbor, but this love should be for God's sake;
And he has to help the poor and the needy, but this help should be for God's love;
And man has to do every righteous work, but in all this he should seek the good pleasure of God.
Therefore, the believer in God alone has to love the righteous servants of God: for the sake of God, as should he dislike the enemy of God, for the sake of God Almighty.
Example:
Prophet Abraham – peace be on him – was the example for all believers in his submission to the will of God alone; he loved God alone more than anything and anyone else; so that when he despaired of the belief of his father and he knew for certain that his father is an enemy of God, Abraham quit himself of his father and left him be.
Then he had no son and became an old man when God offered to him his only son Ismael (before the birth of Isaac) God ordered him to slaughter his only son whom he loved very much, and Abraham obeyed, and God saved his son from that.
And before all this, when he was still in Iraq among his people, he broke up the idols and paid no attention to the refusal of his people; therefore, God assigned him as God's loyal friend and exclusive ally.
Therefore, we have to love the righteous and monotheists, as should we dislike and disown the atheist, the disbeliever and the idolater and the associater who associates other patrons with God Almighty.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
Now that none has answered, I say the word الْكَلاَلَةِ Al-Kalala mentioned in the aya, means: the "disabled" which here means the grandfather and the grandmother (or the grandparents.)
And this is the interpretation (by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) of the Quranic aya 4: 176 which concerns the distribution of the wealth of the deceased:
يَسْتَفْتُونَكَ قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِي الْكَلاَلَةِ إِنِ امْرُؤٌ هَلَكَ لَيْسَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَهُ أُخْتٌ فَلَهَا نِصْفُ مَا تَرَكَ وَهُوَ يَرِثُهَآ إِن لَّمْ يَكُن لَّهَا وَلَدٌ فَإِن كَانَتَا اثْنَتَيْنِ فَلَهُمَا الثُّلُثَانِ مِمَّا تَرَكَ وَإِن كَانُواْ إِخْوَةً رِّجَالاً وَنِسَاء فَلِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ الأُنثَيَيْنِ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ أَن تَضِلُّواْ وَاللّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
(They ask you [Mohammed] for a religious answer [about the inheritance]; say: "God gives you a religious answer about the 'disabled' [: the grandfather and the grandmother.]
(They ask you [Mohammed] for a religious answer [about the inheritance]; say: "God gives you a religious answer about the 'disabled' [: the grandfather and the grandmother.]
If a man dies childless [and parentless] but having a sister [and his grandparents are alive], her is half the heritage which is left behind [and the other half will be for the grandparents],
and he will inherit from her [all the heritage] if she dies childless [and having neither parents nor grandparents.]
And if there be two sisters, then theirs are two-thirds of the heritage which he left behind [and the remaining one third will be for the grandparents];
and if they are brethren, men and women, to the male is the equivalent of the share of two females.
God expounds to you [believers] so that you may not err; God is All-Knowing of everything.)
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