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Scott Free

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What complicity was that? The USA sold Saddam nothing that had anything to do with chemical weapons.

Not true, it was a set up and the US knew:

"Furthermore, both the Reagan and Bush administrations authorized the sale to Iraq of various items that had both military and civilian applications, i.e., chemical and biological weapons."

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In fact, the entire extent of the support supplied to Saddam by the USA, when Iraq was at war with America's No. 1 bad guy, Iran........was some millions worth of spare parts, trucks, etc. In fact, the US government discovered and stopped a huge sale of "agricultural" chemicals to Saddam during the war.

The US congress tried to stop Reagan from selling Saddam chemicals for making gas prior to his gassing the Kurds. Reagan vetoed that bill knowing full well what the consequence would be. See the above link.

For chemical weapons, and the required technology and chemicals to produce same, the major suppliers were those holier-than-thou anti-Iraq peace niks, France and especially Germany (they had lots of practise with Zyklon B).

Both France and Germany are post imperialist powers and were trying to establish footholds in the region.

I would never defend France or Germany. I am well aware of what kind of scumbag countries they are too.

Saddams acts against the Kurds were a direct and intentional attempt to destroy a people and a culture. That is genocide.

That's right and the USA assisted with complete knowledge of his intent. That is called aiding and abetting and means they are just as responsible.

There is no such thing going on in Iraq now......full stop.

Nor was there before the war. Nor would there have been before the first gulf war if the USA had just stepped up to the plate and told their little dictator puppet (Saddam) "no." One little word is all it would have taken. They could have prevented the Kurds being gassed too but that wouldn't have paved the way for war now would it?

The estimate of 1.2 million is backed by dick-all but the wishful thinking of the left...........

It is one of the best estimates and therefore some of the best evidence.

If the number is so wrong why doesn't the US government keep track? They have nothing to counter the claim with.

Your blubbering isn't enough Colpy;971580 you need real evidence and you have non.

Sorry to ruin your delusions with a dose of reality...

As if you could :lol:
 

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BTW, sites detailing Iraqi use of WMDs, weapons sales to Iraq 1980 to 1989 (the USA sold them 0.46% of the total, that's one half of one percent) and German aid to Iraqi chemical and nuclear programs........
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/program.htm
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/001853.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html

"The purpose of this post is to address one of the many mythical claims about the United States popularized by some Leftists who would have us believe that the United States is the cause of most of what is wrong with the world."

I think the author doesn't understand a simple concept: If your going to try and run the world, be the planets police force, invade sovereign countries under false pretence, claim your country is the best in the world, try and spread a brand of democracy with your countries name on it (American style democracy), be the leadership of the world., etc... then your countries rhetoric and actions deserve and should be scrutinized to the fullest extent. Your country should be given no benefit of the doubt. This is where the USA has placed itself.

I realize there are plenty of countries that have done something wrong but there is only one country right now claiming it owns the world. That country is the USA. If they don't like being under the microscope then they should chill the fcuk out.
 

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I realize there are plenty of countries that have done something wrong but there is only one country right now claiming it owns the world. That country is the USA. If they don't like being under the microscope then they should chill the fcuk out.

Actually we don't claim that. Many people like yourself make that statement but we as Americans never made the claim that we own the world.
 

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Not true, it was a set up and the US knew:

"Furthermore, both the Reagan and Bush administrations authorized the sale to Iraq of various items that had both military and civilian applications, i.e., chemical and biological weapons."

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The US congress tried to stop Reagan from selling Saddam chemicals for making gas prior to his gassing the Kurds. Reagan vetoed that bill knowing full well what the consequence would be. See the above link.



Both France and Germany are post imperialist powers and were trying to establish footholds in the region.

I would never defend France or Germany. I am well aware of what kind of scumbag countries they are too.



That's right and the USA assisted with complete knowledge of his intent. That is called aiding and abetting and means they are just as responsible.



Nor was there before the war. Nor would there have been before the first gulf war if the USA had just stepped up to the plate and told their little dictator puppet (Saddam) "no." One little word is all it would have taken. They could have prevented the Kurds being gassed too but that wouldn't have paved the way for war now would it?



It is one of the best estimates and therefore some of the best evidence.

If the number is so wrong why doesn't the US government keep track? They have nothing to counter the claim with.

Your blubbering isn't enough Colpy;971580 you need real evidence and you have non.



As if you could :lol:


Unfortunately, Scott, the site you quote says absolutely NOTHING about the alledged American sale of chemical weapons components to Iraq.......other than the simple accusation you repeat above. No documentation, no list of sales made, nothing whatsoever to connect the dots, just those four words "chemical and biological weapons".....nothing. completely empty. Devoid not only of proof, or evidence,but also devoid of anything remotely resembling a specific accusation.

Sorry, I can't take it seriously.
 

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But we don't. We are in a few places but not everywhere.

Could not be the same said because of your Peace Keeping record. You think you are the world's police.

The difference is that we don't say we're the worlds police or bomb the **** out of people for no reason to that end.

That being said, however, don't get me started on Canada in Haiti.

You see, I'm not saying your the only bad country in the world but you are the worst right now. I'm sure in time that will change.
 

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The difference is that we don't say we're the worlds police or bomb the **** out of people for no reason to that end.

That being said, however, don't get me started on Canada in Haiti.

You see, I'm not saying your the only bad country in the world but you are the worst right now. I'm sure in time that will change.

Well you claim to be the father of peacekeepers...i.e World Police.

We don't bomb them for no reason. You may not like or agree with the reason but that is your opinion.

Again...it is your opinion that we are the worst. I'd rather be who we are than inept.
 

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We don't bomb them for no reason.

Your right, my bad, I meant "made up reasons." I suppose that is different than "no reason."

Again...it is your opinion that we are the worst.

Actually I'm not going off of opinion but evidence. The fact that 1 in 4 prisoners world wide is in prison in the USA is enough proof to validate my statement. The trouble with oppression is that it's hard to see from the inside.

I'd rather be who we are than inept.

Well, I'm glad your so confident you can tell the difference.
 

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Your right, my bad, I meant "made up reasons." I suppose that is different than "no reason."

We have reasons and we have the ability to respond unlike some. You don't see the Danes placing their flag on our islands do you? Or the Russians.


Actually I'm not going off of opinion but evidence. The fact that 1 in 4 prisoners world wide is in prison in the USA is enough proof to validate my statement. The trouble with oppression is that it's hard to see from the inside.

That doesn't make us the worst...it makes us true with regards to Crime and Punishment. We are also a very large country. If you don't want to go to jail...don't commit crimes. Simple. I have not been in jail yet...it's easy.



Well, I'm glad your so confident you can tell the difference.

I can
 
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I don't want to trade insults with you EagleSmack. Most of my family is in the USA. I know very well what it is like.

All I'm saying is the USA is the biggest bull in the china shop so it naturally gets the most attention.


I feel no animosity toward the people of the USA. It is only the foreign policy I dislike.
 

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We have reasons and we have the ability to respond unlike some. You don't see the Danes placing their flag on our islands do you? Or the Russians.

That doesn't make us the worst...it makes us true with regards to Crime and Punishment. We are also a very large country. If you don't want to go to jail...don't commit crimes. Simple. I have not been in jail yet...it's easy.

I can

The fact of the matter is now that the Franklin Ice Sheet has withdrawn from Nares Strait, it's clear there is an estuary. By less than a quarter mile, according to international law, Hans Island is legally Danish. When it was Canadian territory, it served a purpose unknown to a lot of folks along your Eastern Seaboard. In forcing uninvited trade east to stay out of our water, it practically closed Nares Strait to boomers. Now, they have a straight run through should they choose to utilize it. That Russian flag? It was placed in international territory at the North Pole. Their claim to Lomonosov ridge is still doubtful
 
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