Why The Towers Fell

[quandary121]

They are small plastic clips that you apply to detcord at specific intervals, to delay the firing charge. It controls the detonation sequence.

And as with the majority of blasts. There is always, and I mean always, detcord, unfired fuses and ample debris in the rubble, to show what brand of detcord and so on is used. It does not disappear in the blast.



I would like you to see this mr i know everything there is about explosives man
Dr. Steven E. Jones Boston 911 Conference 12-15-07 Red chips. Re the chemical signature of the highly explosive incendiary thermate found in the dust at the World Trade Center. Lecture at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVE_FdT6DN4&feature=related

 

[quandary121]

Thank you, but that does not mean that if this is what happened, the person on the inside was representing the gov't. Perhaps the person is/was a member of the gov't but I won't commit to saying anything other than "perhaps".

That does not matter wheather you commit to saying anything other than "perhaps", at least you not towing the line like the others seem to be, an open mind about this is much better then one that wont even consider the possibility's of such a thing happening, regard less of how much evidence there is about what really happened ("or not"), but just to say its impossible or that its inconceivable is just plain blind foolishness, i my self am of the opinion that this was indeed a inside job, but like you understand we all have our own opinion.

 

[quandary121]

Proof of George W. Bush's advanced knowledge of the attacks of September 11, 2001

 

[Colpy]

Proof of George W. Bush's advanced knowledge of the attacks of September 11, 2001

Proves nothing.........except that Bush ain't that sharp. How many dozens....or hundreds of times had he seen film of the second crash? A moment's confusion in answering a question from a child?

Big deal.

Human memory is a frail, inexact thing.

"Let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracies that turn attention away from the guilty"

That would be Osama bin Laden, the hijackers themselves, al-queda, and the Taliban.

There is NOTHING to support the idea that the collapse of the towers was anything but a terrorist attack with hijacked aircraft.

 

[quandary121]

Proves nothing.........except that Bush ain't that sharp. How many dozens....or hundreds of times had he seen film of the second crash? A moment's confusion in answering a question from a child?

Big deal.

Human memory is a frail, inexact thing.

"Let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracies that turn attention away from the guilty"

That would be Osama bin Laden, the hijackers themselves, al-queda, and the Taliban.

There is NOTHING to support the idea that the collapse of the towers was anything but a terrorist attack with hijacked aircraft

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Osama bin laden needed Kidney dialysis for your information, and if your telling me that a man who needed to be in hospital at least once a week could not be found by the cia or the british governments secret service then you are as gullible as i thought patriotic values cloud your judgement m8 ive posted proof in this thread its just you refuse to read it or examine the facts you came back with your debunking sites to proove your point and fail to see the facts of why would they need debunking sites if this is a given, your stupidaty amazingly does not falter you over the obviouse fact that this WAS A INSIDE JOB and when it IS proved to be so in the not to distant future or sooner you will still say it aint so your increadble you should be given a medel for your inability to see that your own government would do this

9-11 Research: An Independent Investigation of the 9-11-2001 Attack

[SIZE=-1]An investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attack,New York City,Washington DC.,evidence
of controlled demolition,scientific analysis,Critique of NIST's Report.[/SIZE]

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

Hope youre chipper


Either there's cause, based on a well documented history of governments in general but this government of George W. Bush in particular specifically knowingly and with a plethora of hidden agendas misled the people of the United States of America. The destruction of the World Trade Center is tragic and the loss of life indeed stunning but the dynamic around this particular event was artificially and with intent afforded hyper-stimulation to an already justly angry citizenship for so barbaric and criminal act as this.

While interesting in a macabre kind of way, study of conspiracies and hidden (covert) interference and manipulation of circumstance as employed by radicals of every stripe.../ideology/"belief-system" is the rule not the exception. People who've demonstrated a tolerance for destruction and mayhem so long as it happens anywhere else in the world are making decisions for the rest of the world based on some highly questionable behaviour.

We gain nothing speculating about the agents acting behind the scenes or the failure of special agencies...whether they "work-for" some secret police agency of a foreign nation or not.....

Our discovery of anything new in terms of weighing the whole of the past seven years is less satisfied and sorely deficient in achieving any degree of objectivity if we can't even agree to step back and listen and learn....

America has tolerated a criminal government that has committed acts against hundreds of thousands of Iraqis....based on lies and deception. Saddam Hussein promised the "Mother of All Wars".....and has perhaps delivered on that promise.

 

[quandary121]

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/Index.html

THE BULL **** GIVEN TO YOU THAT YOU BELIEVE IN SO READLY...???? WHY

 

[quandary121]

No One Has Mentioned Building 7 I Was Asked Not Too I See No Reason That That Should Not Be Brought In To This Whats Your Evidence That Building 7 Was Not Also Demolished By Explosives

 

[Colpy]

No One Has Mentioned Building 7 I Was Asked Not Too I See No Reason That That Should Not Be Brought In To This Whats Your Evidence That Building 7 Was Not Also Demolished By Explosives

First of all NONE of the WTC buildings were brought down by explosives. To any sane, reasonable individual, the facts of the matter could be researched in about 15 minutes.

1. The WTC towers collapsed from the top down..................

2. The largest building EVER brought down by explosives was 33 stories high, the WTC was 110.

3. To bring down that 33 story building required MONTHS of preparation, miles of det. cord, and almost one and one half TONS of explosives...........

To do the WTC would have required much, much more.....and then it would have collapsed from the BOTTOM UP!

Start again.

Try to write English in the process.

Have a competent 12 year old proof read for you........

 

[lone wolf]

By the looks of the collapse, and keeping in line with all the official lines, all one would have to do is collapse a few upper floors to get the whole interior doing the pancake thing - not a lot of explosives, wiring or prepwork involved - and it would fall from the top down.

 

[quandary121]

By the looks of the collapse, and keeping in line with all the official lines, all one would have to do is collapse a few upper floors to get the whole interior doing the pancake thing - not a lot of explosives, wiring or prepwork involved - and it would fall from the top down.

As many in this thread have pointed out for a collapse to happen in the way it did they MUST first cause an explosion in the lower part of the buildings for a building to fall where they want it too and the pancake theory is nonsense the squibs in the videos prove this !

 

[Colpy]

As many in this thread have pointed out for a collapse to happen in the way it did they MUST first cause an explosion in the lower part of the buildings for a building to fall where they want it too and the pancake theory is nonsense the squibs in the videos prove this !

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Any other questions?

one at a time, please.

The largest building ever destroyed by CD was the J L Hudson Dep't store in Detroit.

It was 33 stories tall (the WTC was 110).

It required a 21 man crew working four MONTHS on-site to prepare the building.

Then it took 12 men 24 DAYS to set the charges........4,118 of them. Using 36,000 feet of det cord and 2728 pounds of explosives.

The idea that the WTC towers were brought down by CD is absolutely ludicrous.

The conspiracy? Two towers? 110 stories EACH? You are talking about AT LEAST THIRTY THOUSAND MAN-HOURS OF WORK just to prepare the two tower buildings..........and that would be if they could work in the open.........

That in itself debunks completely the CD conspiracy theory.

 

[quandary121]

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Any other questions?

one at a time, please.

The largest building ever destroyed by CD was the J L Hudson Dep't store in Detroit.

It was 33 stories tall (the WTC was 110).

It required a 21 man crew working four MONTHS on-site to prepare the building.

Then it took 12 men 24 DAYS to set the charges........4,118 of them. Using 36,000 feet of det cord and 2728 pounds of explosives.

The idea that the WTC towers were brought down by CD is absolutely ludicrous.

The conspiracy? Two towers? 110 stories EACH? You are talking about AT LEAST THIRTY THOUSAND MAN-HOURS OF WORK just to prepare the two tower buildings..........and that would be if they could work in the open.........

That in itself debunks completely the CD conspiracy theory.

Dr. Steven E. Jones Boston 911 Conference 12-15-07 Red chips. Re the chemical signature of the highly explosive incendiary thermate found in the dust at the World Trade Center. Lecture at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVE_FdT6DN4&feature=related


you tried this very same perspective before and it is as irreverent now as it was when you first posted it i proved to you then that there is no need for the miles and miles of cables needed to do this take another look at my posts on this for the proof and also your debunking sites have been proved to be fake and set up to cover up the TRUTH that this was a inside job so that America could enter into a unwanted war so that they needed to get the support from the public and this was one hell of a way to do it


9/11 - YOU CONSPIRACY NUTS!!! (see description)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj0HY31ob4

more proof that jet fuel did not bring down the towers how many time must i show you the proof before you see reason also
EXPLAINE BUILDING 7s COLLAPSE PLEASE AS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR TAKE ON THIS ONE ALSO!!!!!

 

[lone wolf]

um ... Colpy, I hate to remind you, but NASA has been blowing up errant rockets for years without the loss of one inch of connecting cable. I know they who claim to know insist the building did not include a self-destruct failsafe system. I suspect you could still find people who "know" the moon is made of green cheese too. If such a system exists, they who really do know certainly aren't going to let they without a need to know in on the secret.

 

[Colpy]

Dr. Steven E. Jones Boston 911 Conference 12-15-07 Red chips. Re the chemical signature of the highly explosive incendiary thermate found in the dust at the World Trade Center. Lecture at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVE_FdT6DN4&feature=related


you tried this very same perspective before and it is as irreverent now as it was when you first posted it i proved to you then that there is no need for the miles and miles of cables needed to do this take another look at my posts on this for the proof and also your debunking sites have been proved to be fake and set up to cover up the TRUTH that this was a inside job so that America could enter into a unwanted war so that they needed to get the support from the public and this was one hell of a way to do it


9/11 - YOU CONSPIRACY NUTS!!! (see description)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj0HY31ob4

more proof that jet fuel did not bring down the towers how many time must i show you the proof before you see reason also
EXPLAINE BUILDING 7s COLLAPSE PLEASE AS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR TAKE ON THIS ONE ALSO!!!!!

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

So they didn't have to use 36,000 feet of det cord..........big deal. The WTC was a hell of a lot bigger than 33 stories, which was the baseline I used to extrapolate manhours.......the vast, vast majority of which were necessary BEFORE any charges were set. You have done nothing to clear up the obvious question of how these alleged conspirators managed to spend tens of thousands of hours setting this up......with nobody noticing, nobody ratting, nobody suspicious. Ludicrous.

As well, the crash of the aircraft blew the fire-proof insulation off the support beams, in the centre of the towers,

Jet fuel does not instantly burn off without igniting other substances.

The heat, or lack thereof, at the outer shell is irrelevant. The warping of steel occured in the centre of the building.

You should really calm down. You get so excited over this you slam out run-on sentences, and forget the proper use of English punctuation........which says something about your mental state when it comes to this stuff.

 

[quandary121]

forget the proper use of English punctuation........which says something about your mental state when it comes to this stuff.[/

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Colpy Look m8 regardless of my lack of punctuation is a diversionary tactic by you ,you don't answer any question ABOUT BUILDING 7 ..!!! , also your remarks about JET fuel are rubbish the heat made by this fuel would never reach high enough to melt the steel or the connecting joints you just take the answers given, because you cannot conceive that the government would do this, you are blind to what they are doing,and even if i showed you a thousand things to prove to you that this WAS AN INSIDE JOB.!!!! You would never concede to me, as you have taken a dislike to me and my opinions on soo many subjects ,so why should i expect any different attitude from you now.read what Ive posted in this thread if you want to know the facts ,i can see you haven't and would not believe the answers given, i just proved to you about the det cored and you brush it away like it is of no consequence ,this was the main thrust of your argument and now that's collapsed, you try a new angle that OF THE MAN HOURS TAKEN TO DO THIS, i already answered this earlier about supposed repairs on the towers, on different floors at different times, where people working in the towers said that they heard workmen above them moving things and drilling could be heard also, when these people came back to work the next day, they found dust all over the place covering desktops windows and chairs this was never explained to them as they were just told that the workmen were decorating.???not making structural repairs

 

[Colpy]

Whether I like you or not has nothing to do with the facts.

Steel does not have to "melt" to fail. It begins to loose its strenth, to become soft, at a temperature much, much lower than its melting point......think of a blacksmith forming steel with nothing more than bellows, a charcoal fire, and a hammer......he heats the steel until it has become warm enough to lose its rigidity.......

I granted you the point about the 36,000 feet of det cord.........but you ignored the fact it took 21 men fours months to prepare a single 33 story building for CD......that is BEFORE the blasting crew went in to set charges and lay det cord, which took 12 men an additional 24 days.

30,000 hours of labour AT LEAST to set up a controlled demolition in the two towers.

Did the workmen spend 30,000 hours on site?

Did they strip away the walls, then the heat sheilding against the centre core? Without anyone noticing?

Where did they find these workers? There are VERY few people in the world qualified to set up CD..........and only the very best of them would be able to pull off the CD of a building more than 3x as high as the largest ever blown.........if that is even possible in SECRET........and I don't believe it IS possible.

(the heat sheilding on the beams, BTW, was blown off by the initial crash of aircraft, exposing the beams to the heat of ignited material in the building..........unlike the other buildings used for comparison, in which the sheilding would have remained intact)

In a situation like the towers collapse, there are always questions......the thing is, if you are accusing somebody of plotting the destruction, the onus is on you to prove it, or to at least to show it is feasible.

In that, the conspiracy theorists have failed miserably.

 

[darkbeaver]

Why the towers were demolished. Same reason as Pearle Harbour same as The Gulf of Tonkin.
It's called marketing war.

 

[quandary121]

Whether I like you or not has nothing to do with the facts.

Steel does not have to "melt" to fail. It begins to loose its strenth, to become soft, at a temperature much, much lower than its melting point......think of a blacksmith forming steel with nothing more than bellows, a charcoal fire, and a hammer......he heats the steel until it has become warm enough to lose its rigidity.......

I granted you the point about the 36,000 feet of det cord.........but you ignored the fact it took 21 men fours months to prepare a single 33 story building for CD......that is BEFORE the blasting crew went in to set charges and lay det cord, which took 12 men an additional 24 days.

30,000 hours of labour AT LEAST to set up a controlled demolition in the two towers.

Did the workmen spend 30,000 hours on site?

Did they strip away the walls, then the heat sheilding against the centre core? Without anyone noticing?

Where did they find these workers? There are VERY few people in the world qualified to set up CD..........and only the very best of them would be able to pull off the CD of a building more than 3x as high as the largest ever blown.........if that is even possible in SECRET........and I don't believe it IS possible.

(the heat sheilding on the beams, BTW, was blown off by the initial crash of aircraft, exposing the beams to the heat of ignited material in the building..........unlike the other buildings used for comparison, in which the sheilding would have remained intact)

In a situation like the towers collapse, there are always questions......the thing is, if you are accusing somebody of plotting the destruction, the onus is on you to prove it, or to at least to show it is feasible.

In that, the conspiracy theorists have failed miserably.

9/11 Mysteries - 2of6

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tyyXvQ6NOq0


Polls demonstrate that 84% of the American public rejects the official account of what happened on September 11th 2001. Polls in Europe, Canada and the Islamic world have yielded similar results. Numerous prominent officials from around the world have gone on record expressing profound disbelief of the official narrative. Rapidly growing numbers are convinced that members of the Bush administration were not only grossly negligent in the days and months leading up to 9/11 but active participants in the attacks themselves.
We are in the midst of a mass awakening.

Like the Warren Commission before it, the Zelikow commission -- appointed to investigate the pivotal event that "changed everything" -- has proved a whitewash, a cover-up of a mass murder that reeks of official complicity. Millions of citizens have joined the family members of the victims in calling for a new investigation. Dying first responders - cynically exploited in the aftermath of the attacks and now cast aside as political liabilities - have pleaded for justice. Their pleas have fallen on deaf ears.

9/11 is the foundational myth upon which the entire neocon agenda is predicated. Every civil liberty curtailed, every passage hacked from the Bill of Rights, every torture camp built by Halliburton, every child murdered in Iraq -- all of these have but one justification: 9/11.

Yet leaders of the peace movement have avoided the truth about 9/11, forfeiting the one issue capable of putting a stop to this madness.

And Democratic leaders, for their part, have not only assisted with the cover-up but embraced the War on Terror myth with vigor, threatening to outflank the neocons from the far right

 

[quandary121]

The 9-11 Solution -How the myth was sold-
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDa-L4hHHo