Bush personnally authorized and signed 9-11.

[EagleSmack]

Keep up that mentality and you'll never find any truth anywhere. {/quote]

I just don't believe that it was an inside job. I believe that Bin Laden had his minions do this act. There are mountains of evidence that he did and a number of taped confessions of him owning up to it. The more and more conspiracists are rebuffed the more stuff they fabricate. There are now battles between conspiracist between who has the RIGHT conspiracy. It is ridiculous.

You do seem to spew this atmosphere about you that you don't like people coming up with new or different concepts that are not dished out by the officials in power..... I mean, it is their job after all to get that information and provided to the people they serve..... what a coinkydynk that perhaps average joes might figure it out faster and better then those taking your tax dollars to do the same thing and who refuse to actually tell you the truth or cover it up with "Sorry, that's national security" ~ Well sorry to say, but National Security sure as hell didn't help on 9/11.

Well according to all of this why would the protectors of national security help if they were all in on it.

One of the biggest anti-US Govt and messiah of the liberals Noam Choamsky has even ridiculed the conspiracy of 9/11 being orchrestrated by the Bush Administration. He said it deflects on the real problems as to why the terrorist did it. To that I agree.

 

[no color]

Your name should really be Idiot 7.

After reading the initial post, I agree.

 

[Logic 7]

Well there you have it. Let's try arguing this point. Let's "prove" to Logic 7 that no way in hell holograms could have possibly "slammed" into the WTC. :roll:

I said, maybe, they have used holograms, however,from my point of view, it is completly pointless to argue this point.

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, Kids... I didn't want to start a new thread. So, I hope you don't mind, if I post my article here?

Lawmaker asks McCain to talk with 9/11 theorists
by Matthew Benson - Jun. 3, 2008 10:42 PM
The Arizona Republic

An Arizona state senator is petitioning presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain to meet with 9/11 conspiracy theorists, including an adjunct professor from Scottsdale who has been fasting outside McCain's Phoenix office for more than a week.

State Sen. Karen Johnson, a Mesa Republican, delivered a letter to McCain's Senate office Tuesday asking that he sit down with Scottsdale activist Blair Gadsby and a pair of leading members of the 9/11 Truth Movement to consider alternative explanations for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Gadsby's fast outside McCain's Senate office entered its 10th day today.

"There are so many questions left unanswered," said Johnson, who called for a new, independent investigation into the attacks. She has previously been the focus of media attention for her vocal misgivings about the government account of 9/11. Again Tuesday, she said, "There's no explanation - no legitimate explanation - about why those towers and Building 7 came down."
WTC 7 was the third building to collapse at the complex, though it wasn't directly struck by either aircraft.

Gadsby said he'll maintain his office vigil until McCain pledges to sit down with him, Richard Gage, founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and Steven Jones, a physicist who claims to have done laboratory analysis and found evidence of explosives in the WTC rubble. Their conditions: a pledge of two hours with McCain, plus national media coverage...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...hnson0604.html

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This 9/11 thing is getting more and more attention from people one can not shove into the conspiracy-idiot corner. What I wonder, why they approach McCain for this and not Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld?

I don't believe the official version either!

 

[TenPenny]

People who profess to believe in the official government/corporate sponsered conspiracy theroy fall into two categories, a) those who through low intelligence cannot incorporate the facts about 9/11, and b) those who have an agenda which they work toward often funded and encouraged by those proponents of the official government conspiracy theroy irregardless of the physical impossibility of thier being correct.

ITN may be in the b group because he has flagged this thread possibly to post here and thereby fill his quota of slagging this type of discussion. Capitalist pig dogs will do anything for cookies.

People who believe in the vast array of 9/11 conspiracy theories belong to the group of people who, in years past, would be religious fanatics. In the absence of the huge impact of religion in modern life, many people fill the void in their neediness with belief in conspiracy theories.

'It's a comfort, of sorts, like believing in the literal Bible. There is an inherent need to believe in some higher organization or power behind catastrophic events. Whether it's Noah and the Ark, or 9/11, there is a sizeable piece of humanity who, for their own sanity's sake, must believe that such events were organized by a specific power or organization. Some people are so un-nerved by the thought that this could happen again, they must create, or find, someone to blame. Someone that they can exercise some control over. You'd sacrifice a virgin to guarantee a good harvest; you vote Democrat so as to keep the modern day evil gods out of power. It's all the same fantasy, just a different time.' - Dr Engelke Einstebber, PhD

 

[Risus]

Hi, Kids... I didn't want to start a new thread. So, I hope you don't mind, if I post my article here?------------------------------------------------------------------------
This 9/11 thing is getting more and more attention from people one can not shove into the conspiracy-idiot corner. What I wonder, why they approach McCain for this and not Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld?

I don't believe the official version either!

Because they know they would get nothing but BS from Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Mind you they might get that from McCain, too.

 

[JBeee]

That was yesterday.........
My concern today is why this "second coming of Christ" incident. has and still is, been kept so much out of the inquiring eye from such a free media/speech system we claim to have. Where are the pertinent questions from all the majore networks regarding the 9/11 incident? Metal from the wreckage being shipped directly to foriegn countries for what ever reasons. The site off limits to the average Joe with a camera and a question.

Of course those cock-suckers were involved....and it may take the remainder of those lives involved before any definate answer is revealed to us, the public. By then we`ll probably be too busy defending another atrocity of our making, to give a ****.

I can't believe this thread made it this far without Hitler and the Nazis being dragged into it yet. You guys are slacking...

 

[Colpy]

Really, anyone that seriously believes that 911 was caused by anything BUT hijackers and captured jets is simply not dealing with reality.

Here's reality....

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

What I would be willing to wager on is that the conspiracy theorists don't even bother investigating the site thoroughly...........and I know why.

IF the collapse of the WTC was caused by strikes from hijacked airliners alone............then their entire belief system collapses.....perhaps it is necessary for us to have troops in Afghanistan, perhaps radical Islam in Europe is a real threat, perhaps there really are wolves in the forest............perhaps vigilance and carrying the fight to the enemies of western civilization is an absolute necessity.........a position too horrible for them to contemplate........too much for their psychological make-up to deal with, just too tough.....so they take refuge in flights of fancy, in theories of conspiracy, in the most outlandish beliefs....

Or they might have to vote Republican.

GASP!

 

[Colpy]

Hi, Kids... I didn't want to start a new thread. So, I hope you don't mind, if I post my article here?------------------------------------------------------------------------
This 9/11 thing is getting more and more attention from people one can not shove into the conspiracy-idiot corner. What I wonder, why they approach McCain for this and not Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld?

I don't believe the official version either!

McCain is a little busy....he should leave the job of interviewing the obsessively deluded to their psychiatrists.

 

[dancing-loon]

Colpy.... one day you will remember me, and say..."Loon was right!! Damn it!!" :lol::lol:

America is waking up, haven't you noticed? More and more from high places are speaking up!

 

[JBeee]

I don`t doubt the current US government was involved in some sinister way.....its, how?[

quote=Colpy;959031]Really, anyone that seriously believes that 911 was caused by anything BUT hijackers and captured jets is simply not dealing with reality.

Here's reality....

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

What I would be willing to wager on is that the conspiracy theorists don't even bother investigating the site thoroughly...........and I know why.

IF the collapse of the WTC was caused by strikes from hijacked airliners alone............then their entire belief system collapses.....perhaps it is necessary for us to have troops in Afghanistan, perhaps radical Islam in Europe is a real threat, perhaps there really are wolves in the forest............perhaps vigilance and carrying the fight to the enemies of western civilization is an absolute necessity.........a position too horrible for them to contemplate........too much for their psychological make-up to deal with, just too tough.....so they take refuge in flights of fancy, in theories of conspiracy, in the most outlandish beliefs....

Or they might have to vote Republican.

GASP!

[/quote]

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, JBeee...
check this link. It gives you an idea on how.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm

 

[gerryh]

:roll: 7 years later and the conspiracy nuts are still goin strong. I notice no one really talks about the 4th plane. You know...the one that passengers called home from and reported the hijacking and then tried to takeover the plane...I guess that one doesn't fit the "remote control from a secured location" senario, so we'll just brush that one under the table.

 

[dancing-loon]

Was there any wreckage left from the fourth plane?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

nothing but a hole in the ground that I can see....

 

[quandary121]

Evidence

Dr. Steven E. Jones, Former Professor of Physics, of Brigham Young University, has written an extensive analysis of the collapse of the World Trade Centre (WTC) Buildings 1, 2 and 7. He has come to the conclusion that explosives were used in the destruction of both the WTC Twin Towers and WTC7. Here is a summary of his evidence:

• WTC7 which was not hit by an airplane and had only a few small scattered fires collapsed rapidly and nearly-straight-down symmetrically into its own footprint on September 11, 2001.
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• There were twenty-four huge steel support columns inside WTC 7 as well as huge trusses, arranged non-symmetrically, along with some fifty-seven perimeter columns.
• In the history of architecture, there is no modern, steel-reinforced high-rise building that has ever collapsed because of an uncontrolled fire.
• The temperature required to melt steel is 2750° F while the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel is 1200°F.
• Evidence of molten steel was found in the basements of all three buildings, WTC 1, 2 (Twin Towers) and 7 which glowed red hot for weeks after the event.
• Evidence of squibs observed during the collapse of WTC7 going up the side of the building in rapid sequence provides further confirmation of explosives.
• The WTC Twin Towers were built to withstand the impact of a large commercial aircraft even a Boeing 707 as reported by John Knapton, Professor of Structural Engineering at the University of Newcastle.
• Numerous reports of multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence being heard in and near the WTC Twin Towers consistent with explosive demolition.
• Horizontal ejection of steel beams for hundreds of feet and the pulverization of concrete to flour-like powder observed in the collapses of the WTC Towers further indicate the use of explosives.
• The speed of the collapses was at near free fall speed. This violates the law of conservation of momentum (one of the foundational laws of physics). There would have been substantial delay if the pancake theory were true.
• If the buildings collapsed due to the impact of the airplanes and the fires, as the pancake theory claims, the 47 massive core steel columns in the centre of the Twin Towers would still be standing.

(For the full report, go to Scholars for 9/11 Truth http://www.911scholars.org - see under “Peer-Reviewed Papers”)
Dr. David Ray Griffin is a Professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology, Emeritus, at Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University in Claremont, California. He has written a number of books on 9/11 and the American Empire including The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 (2004) and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (2005). His extensive analysis of the 9/11 Commission Report has brought him and countless others to the conclusion that the Bush administration is engaged in a serious cover-up of the events of 9/11. Here is a brief summary of some of the most glaring omissions he found in the 9/11 Commission Report:
• Evidence that at least six of the alleged hijackers are still alive.
• The publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names.
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• The fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse.
• The fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse.
• The fact that WTC 7 which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires also collapsed and that FEMA admitted it could not explain.
• Larry Silverstein’s statement that he and the fire department commander decided to ‘pull’ WTC 7.
• The fact that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition.
• The fact that the 47 massive steel columns in the core of each of the Twin Towers should have been left standing if in fact the ‘pancake theory’ were true.
• The steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives.
• The fact that there are photos showing that the west wing’s façade of the Pentagon did not collapse until 30 minutes after it was struck and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered.
• Testimony which casts serious doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon.
• The fact that pictures from various security cameras, including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, were confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike and were never made public.
• The evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to have flown an airliner into the Pentagon.
• While Osama bin Laden was on the FBI’s ‘most wanted’ list, he was treated in the American Hospital in Dubai and visited by the local CIA agent just two months prior to 9/11.
• The report that Attorney General Ashcroft was warned to stop using commercial airlines prior to 9/11.
• There was no mention of the FBI agents who reportedly claimed to have known the targets and dates of the attacks well in advance.
• Evidence that Pakistan’s intelligence agency (the ISI) chief General Mahmoud Ahmad had ordered $100,000 to be sent to Mohammed Atta, one of the alleged hijackers, prior to 9/11.
• The Commission’s claim that it found no evidence that any foreign government, including Pakistan, had provided funding for the al Qaeda operatives.

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• The fact that key figures in the Bush administration which were members of The Project for the New American Century published a document in 2000 saying that “a new Pearl Harbor” would aid its goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the US military.
• The fact that Unocal had declared that the Taliban could not provide adequate security for it to go ahead with its oil-and-gas pipeline from the Caspian region through Afghanistan and Pakistan.
• The report that at a meeting in July, 2001, US representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a US proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against them would begin by October.
• Evidence that key members of the Bush administration, including Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, had been agitating for a war with Iraq for many years.
• The fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book “The Grand Chessboard” said that for the United States to maintain global primacy, it needed to gain control of Central Asia.
• The Commission failed to probe the issue of how the ‘war games’ scheduled for that day were related to the military’s failure to intercept the hijacked airliners.
• The fact that FAA personnel failed to follow standard procedures some 16 times.

(All of the above items taken from an article entitled “The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie” written by David Ray Griffin in Global Outlook- Revealing the Truth, Issue #11.)

The above summary covers only a fraction of the many contradictions and omissions that Dr. Griffin has found in the 9/11 Commission Report but it is enough to warrant a legally binding international criminal investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Thousands of innocent civilians including 24 Canadians died in this tragic event. There are many unanswered questions, however, the evidence gathered so far speaks for itself. The Bush administration used this tragic event to further its goals in the Middle East and Central Asia, namely, for control over its vast oil and natural gas reserves, the projection of American power and control over the region, profits for the military-industrial complex, and the forced inclusion of those nations into the global financial/economic system.

Consequences of 9/11

In contravention of constitutional and Charter rights of Canadians and in violation of international law, the current conservative government and prior liberal governments, using 9/11 and the war on terror as an excuse have engaged in the following activities:

● Involvement in an illegal war of aggression in Afghanistan and support of a government dominated by warlords and druglords;
● Our military's complicity in the use of torture;
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● Anti-terrorism laws in violation of our rights;
● The use of Security Certificates which even under the new legislation proposed as Bill C-3 according to Amnesty International “falls dismally short of what would be required to meet minimal international and constitutional fair trial guarantees”;
● Detention without trial;
● No-fly lists;
● Militarization of the police forces;
● Proposed use of police state biometric tracking IDs in drivers licenses and passports;
● Proliferation of the use of CCTV cameras to track the population;
● The use of agent provocateurs to incite violence;
● Government harassment of activists;
● Regional integration under the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement established in secret without the consent of the people that effectively gives control over every aspect of our society to an unelected and unaccountable supranational body;
● Integration of Canadian and US Military under NORTHCOM;
● Release of personal and private information of Canadian citizens to Homeland Security;
● Unwarranted use of taser weapons on unarmed civilians which, in many cases, has resulted in death.
Many of these activities are in direct violation of the constitution and Charter of Rights and Freedoms and as such are acts of betrayal of trust of the Canadian people. From the nature of the above activities, we can see a clear pattern. That is, nothing less than the goal of ultimately curtailing all of the rights and freedoms of the public and the creation of a fascist state.

In spite of guarantees from both the military and the Conservative government that there is no torture in Afghanistan, three prisoners captured in recent months have been subjected to torture by the secret service in Afghanistan. The conditions of Sarpoza prison are so deplorable as to be unfit for human beings. Despite pleas for help by senior prison officials, neither the military nor the Conservative government has responded. (M. Ouimet, La Presse October 29 2007)

The biggest economic achievement in Afghanistan has been the production of heroin and four of the government’s senior members are the largest players in the heroin business. Hamid Karzai is not running the country. It is a corrupt government being run by warlords and druglords which the CIA paid, armed and equipped to carry out their ground war while US forces bombed from the air. This is the government that our soldiers are fighting and dying to protect. (Craig Murray, The Daily Mail–July 24, 2007)


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Conclusion

We are calling upon you to establish a citizen led international investigation into the events of 9/11 and an end to Canada’s involvement with US war crimes. Canada needs to develop its own foreign, economic and social policies which promote co-operation, peace, and stability for the sake of our nation and the rest of the world.

Let us assure you that most of the public knows the truth and are currently undergoing an awakening to the true nature of the political, corporate and financial elite of this country and the world. When this awakening reaches its natural conclusion, we fully expect there to be Nuremburg style trials after which many people will go to prison.

We expect you to respond to our letter in support of a new investigation. We are not asking you to take a position as to who did it or why, only to state that the official investigation was deficient and that you support a new investigation. This is your opportunity to take a stand for the truth and against the ongoing transformation of Canada into a fascist state. The stakes are high and whether you know it or not you are standing at the crossroads of history.

We are sending an original of this letter to each of the four leaders of the parties including the Green Party and a copy will be sent to each Member of Parliament. Enclosed with each original letter is a DVD entitled “9/11 Mysteries” which shows a detailed scientific analysis of the destruction of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7.

Thank you for your time.

Victoria 9/11 Truth Societ

for more info go to http://www.marchonottawa2008.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=1

 

[dancing-loon]

nothing but a hole in the ground that I can see....

Yup... just what I thought!:lol:

 

[dancing-loon]

Quandary, I'm going to bed now! I'll take a look at your essay tomorrow, when I feel fresh and alert again!;-)

Good Night

 

[quandary121]

Quandary, I'm going to bed now! I'll take a look at your essay tomorrow, when I feel fresh and alert again!;-)

Good Night

Good Night dancing-loon sweet dreams babe :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[dancing-loon]

Good Night dancing-loon sweet dreams babe :lol::lol::lol::lol:

You are a sweetheart, Quandary!:smile: As you can see, I'm again here at night, but at least it isn't as late yet.

Thanks for that great link! I will see who my MP is, and write, or better, phone him.

Did you ever see those videos from the Japanese Parlament, where this one MP keeps asking tough questions on the credibility of the official version of 9/11? Very interesting! That's what our MPs need to ask our government too.

I get the feeling Bush-Co's stories will become unravelled before the summer is over. It already has a bunch of cracks and holes in it.