To Chinese, Canadian identity is a little fuzzy

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To Chinese, Canadian identity is a little fuzzy


GEOFFREY YORK
Globe and Mail


BEIJING — Even after decades of close connections, the Chinese are still not quite sure what they think of Canada – although they vaguely like us.
A new poll suggests that Canada lacks a strong identity in China. While most Chinese have a generally favourable view of Canada, they describe Canada with a hodgepodge of fuzzy words such as “quiet” and “friendly,” even “leisurely.”
The poll exposes some of the obstacles that Canada faces as it tries to capitalize on its favourable image in the world's fastest-growing economy.
It suggests that the Chinese continue to see Canada primarily as a place to emigrate or study – the traditional role that Canada has played for affluent Chinese since the 1980s.
Despite decades of trade and diplomatic links, Canada has failed to forge a strong image in the eyes of most Chinese. Other countries – the United States, France, Britain among them – have a much clearer identity among Chinese, even if this identity is sometimes stereotypical.
Canada has long enjoyed a vaguely positive image in China, largely because so many Chinese have relatives who studied at Canadian universities or emigrated to Toronto or Vancouver.
Many Chinese also have a positive view of Canada for historical reasons, including Canada's early recognition of Communist China, its decision to send grain in the 1960s, and the fact that Mao Zedong eulogized the Canadian surgeon, Norman Bethune, for his sacrifices for Mao's army in the 1930s.
But the Canadian government has struggled to transform this positive image into diplomatic influence or commercial benefit. The new poll highlights both the opportunities and the challenges that remain.
The poll of 1,056 residents in five of China's biggest cities, conducted in November by N-Dynamic Market Research of Shanghai in collaboration with the Environics Research Group Ltd. of Toronto, asked the Chinese to rank 31 countries according to their impressions of which was best. The poll found that Canada ranked seventh of the 31 countries in terms of general impressions.
Of the poll respondents, 18 per cent had a good impression of Canada, far behind countries such as Switzerland (31 per cent) and Australia (25 per cent) and slightly behind the United States (19 per cent) – but ahead of Britain, South Korea, Italy and 21 other countries.
When the Chinese were asked to describe Canada in a single word, there was no clear agreement. Almost one-third said Canada was “friendly” or “leisurely.” One-quarter said Canada was “quiet,” while 19 per cent said “rich” and 16 per cent said “steady.”
Most other countries, by contrast, were clearly associated with one or two characteristics. The U.S. was described as “strong” by 67 per cent and “rich” by 55 per cent of the Chinese respondents, while France tended to be called “romantic” and Italy tended to be called “artistic.”
The Chinese ranked Canada relatively highly for its good works on the international stage, putting it sixth-best of the 31 countries for its global environmental leadership and seventh-best for its contribution to international peace and security.
But only 6 per cent saw Canada as a top economic power, and only 3 per cent ranked Canada as a leader in science and technology.
Canada also ranked poorly as a potential destination for Chinese tourists, with only 10 per cent of the Chinese identifying Canada as one of the most desirable tourism destinations.
“Canada's lower rank in this area can be attributed to the fact that Chinese are most keen to visit countries that stand out as offering advanced capitalism (such as the United States and Japan), natural scenery (Switzerland and Australia) or history and culture (Greece and Egypt),” a report by Environics commented. “Canada is not well-known in China for any of these attributes.”
The only good news was Canada's high ranking as a welcoming place for Chinese students, emigrants and investors. Canada ranked as the fifth-best place for studying abroad, and the fourth-best place to invest.
Canada scored its best performance as a destination for emigration. It was chosen by 32 per cent of Chinese as the best place to which they could emigrate. This made it the second-highest ranked destination for Chinese emigrants, trailing behind only Australia.
“This ranking may be in part because it is well-known that there is a significant Chinese population well-established in Canada,” the report said.
Earlier polls have confirmed that Canada is seen as one of the two or three favourite destinations for Chinese emigrants. But Canada's high ranking as a potential site for investors is a major surprise. Canada has always struggled to attract Chinese investment in the past. This has begun to change in recent years, but the total level of Chinese investment in Canada is still relatively small.
 

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"Gutless flag suckers"??? Do elaborate please.

We belong to the bankers, we murder women and children under the cover of our quaint little flag we kiss the emperors feet and lick the backside of evil power, we have nothing to be proud of and little to look forward to but a future of ignoble oblivion.
 

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Chinese people would likely have a more favourable impression of Canada if they could easily travel to Canada. Now, Chinese can travel to Canada if only they are in groups of five or more or if traveling on business.

See The Globe and Mail article below.

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Globe editorial

Engaging China



From Friday's Globe and Mail

January 11, 2008 at 6:32 AM EDT


International Trade Minister David Emerson has threatened to complain to the World Trade Organization about China's refusal to negotiate a tourism agreement with Canada. After nine years of talks, Ottawa has been unable to secure "Approved Destination Status" (ADS) for Canada, a designation that would allow Chinese tour groups to visit this country. Since 134 other nations already have that status, this is surely a sign of the sadly strained relations between China and the federal Conservative government.

"I feel at this stage that we are being discriminatorily treated," Mr. Emerson said during his five-day trade mission to China and Mongolia, which ends today. "We are perhaps the only major tourism destination in the world that doesn't have ADS from China."
He is right to complain; China's actions apparently violate the general principles of non-discrimination in international affairs. But Mr. Emerson's visit, including yesterday's cordial speech to the Canada China Business Council, is also a tacit admission that the relationship with Canada's fourth-largest export market badly needs repair.

The tensions run deep. China is reportedly angry about Canada's refusal to extradite China's most-wanted fugitive, an alleged smuggling kingpin. During his two years in power, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has sharply criticized China's troubling record on human rights - which it is entirely legitimate for him to do. But he has also been reluctant to engage China - to reach out to Chinese leaders in an effort to deepen relations and strengthen Canada's influence. He has not visited China, which is now the world's fourth-largest economy. Its citizens are becoming wealthier; per-capita GDP has grown at an average of 8.6 per cent a year since 1980.

This is where the lack of an ADS designation really hurts. Without it, Canada cannot advertise its attractions or play host to Chinese tour groups. Those tours could bring as many as one million new visitors to Canada at a time when tourism providers are struggling to cope with the high Canadian dollar. No wonder Mr. Emerson says that if China does not change its mind, Canada will respond.

The problem is that the WTO usually deals with barriers that service providers from one country encounter in another market, whereas this complaint is about barriers to services that Canada would provide at home. According to Toronto international trade lawyer Larry Herman, Canada might be able to argue that China's refusal was an export barrier to tourism - a creative approach that has not been taken before. But the case would be tough to make, "because visa issues are sovereign matters not normally within the WTO's purview."

Such a complaint would certainly show how seriously Canada takes the issue. But Mr. Emerson's trade mission itself illustrates the far better approach to China. In yesterday's speech, he evoked mutual ties, including close to a million Canadians of Chinese ancestry and Canada's early diplomatic recognition of China. With calculated tact, he spoke about Canada's role as a global energy power and China's growing exports of machinery and equipment to Canada.

That warm appeal to old ties and a new future may do more to ease tensions, including the ADS standoff, than Mr. Harper's icy distance.
 

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BEIJING — Even after decades of close connections, the Chinese are still not quite sure what they think of Canada – although they vaguely like us.
A new poll suggests that Canada lacks a strong identity in China. While most Chinese have a generally favourable view of Canada, they describe Canada with a hodgepodge of fuzzy words such as “quiet” and “friendly,” even “leisurely.”

That's our identity.... what's the big problem? We're quiet, friendly and leisurely..... do they want loud, arrogant+ignorant, sticking our noses into everything kinda people? The world can only have so many of those type.

The poll exposes some of the obstacles that Canada faces as it tries to capitalize on its favourable image in the world's fastest-growing economy.

Image? What is this High School??

*shrugs*

It suggests that the Chinese continue to see Canada primarily as a place to emigrate or study – the traditional role that Canada has played for affluent Chinese since the 1980s.

I don't see a problem there.

Despite decades of trade and diplomatic links, Canada has failed to forge a strong image in the eyes of most Chinese. Other countries – the United States, France, Britain among them – have a much clearer identity among Chinese, even if this identity is sometimes stereotypical.

I'd rather a clouded "Image" over a steriotypical "image."

Canada has long enjoyed a vaguely positive image in China, largely because so many Chinese have relatives who studied at Canadian universities or emigrated to Toronto or Vancouver.

So? What do their relatives say to their families about living in the country and those they interact with?

Many Chinese also have a positive view of Canada for historical reasons, including Canada's early recognition of Communist China, its decision to send grain in the 1960s, and the fact that Mao Zedong eulogized the Canadian surgeon, Norman Bethune, for his sacrifices for Mao's army in the 1930s.

Sounds good so far.

But the Canadian government has struggled to transform this positive image into diplomatic influence or commercial benefit. The new poll highlights both the opportunities and the challenges that remain.

Perhaps that's the problem right there..... why the hell should we have diplomatic influence, or attempt to influence what other countries do internally? We deal and trade with other nations, and if things don't go the way we want, we go elsewhere..... I'd rather that mentality then the US mentality of forcing what you want/need onto another country via threats and sanctions at their expense.

See.... compared to some of the other nations listed above in comparison, Canada, as I see it in general, asks and trades what we need, not simply what we want. We're not greedy bags wanting every single drop of something from a country.

Would you like to trade your supplies with a grasshopper, or a locust who wants everything right now?

The poll of 1,056 residents in five of China's biggest cities, conducted in November by N-Dynamic Market Research of Shanghai in collaboration with the Environics Research Group Ltd. of Toronto, asked the Chinese to rank 31 countries according to their impressions of which was best. The poll found that Canada ranked seventh of the 31 countries in terms of general impressions.

Sounds good to me. :p Being #1 only makes you a target.

Of the poll respondents, 18 per cent had a good impression of Canada, far behind countries such as Switzerland (31 per cent) and Australia (25 per cent) and slightly behind the United States (19 per cent) – but ahead of Britain, South Korea, Italy and 21 other countries.

Well everybody loves the Swiss, and they know a lot more of Australia because they're closer and have closer ties due to proximity. Of course, everybody has heard of the US. And being behind the US by 1%..... based on how much we vocalize our existence compared to them, that's pretty good.

When the Chinese were asked to describe Canada in a single word, there was no clear agreement. Almost one-third said Canada was “friendly” or “leisurely.” One-quarter said Canada was “quiet,” while 19 per cent said “rich” and 16 per cent said “steady.”

Well that to me doesn't mean we have no identity.... maybe we're just complex.... they all sound like reasonable responses though.

At least we're not identified as arseholes.

Most other countries, by contrast, were clearly associated with one or two characteristics. The U.S. was described as “strong” by 67 per cent and “rich” by 55 per cent of the Chinese respondents, while France tended to be called “romantic” and Italy tended to be called “artistic.”

Sounds reasonable.

The Chinese ranked Canada relatively highly for its good works on the international stage, putting it sixth-best of the 31 countries for its global environmental leadership and seventh-best for its contribution to international peace and security.

Sounds about right..... it seems as though they're not so closed off to the rest of the world as most seem to think in regards to being a communist nation.

But only 6 per cent saw Canada as a top economic power, and only 3 per cent ranked Canada as a leader in science and technology.

He he.... arn't they in for a suprise.

Canada also ranked poorly as a potential destination for Chinese tourists, with only 10 per cent of the Chinese identifying Canada as one of the most desirable tourism destinations.

Well duh.... if they feel the majority don't speak their language, why go there? I'm the same way.... I wouldn't goto China for a vacation, not for any other reason except language barrier.

“Canada's lower rank in this area can be attributed to the fact that Chinese are most keen to visit countries that stand out as offering advanced capitalism (such as the United States and Japan), natural scenery (Switzerland and Australia) or history and culture (Greece and Egypt),” a report by Environics commented. “Canada is not well-known in China for any of these attributes.”

Well I stand corrected then. Perhaps we'll have to work further on education on those aspects.

The only good news was Canada's high ranking as a welcoming place for Chinese students, emigrants and investors. Canada ranked as the fifth-best place for studying abroad, and the fourth-best place to invest.

Well there you go.

Canada scored its best performance as a destination for emigration. It was chosen by 32 per cent of Chinese as the best place to which they could emigrate. This made it the second-highest ranked destination for Chinese emigrants, trailing behind only Australia.

Makes sense.

“This ranking may be in part because it is well-known that there is a significant Chinese population well-established in Canada,” the report said.
Earlier polls have confirmed that Canada is seen as one of the two or three favourite destinations for Chinese emigrants. But Canada's high ranking as a potential site for investors is a major surprise. Canada has always struggled to attract Chinese investment in the past. This has begun to change in recent years, but the total level of Chinese investment in Canada is still relatively small.

Give it time.
 

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That's strange. Chinese tourism and Japanese tourism have been strong here for years. My brother co-owns an operation out West and he's more than happy with the frequency of business received from both.
 

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To Chinese, Canadian identity is a little fuzzy

Good, we should work tirelessly to keep it that way. Do not adjust your reception, the fuzz is real, we are not here like you are, we are Canadian, true, north, free and unscrutable.
 
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Dark beaver, I have been as busy as ... you know. Just dropping by to see what's happening here as the world convulses.