Canadian New Racial Slur?
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MIA1- Jet engines geesh what were you guys thinking. Leopards are the Best tanks in the world- Watched a show called top ten tanks m1's number 2- leopard number 1
Funny I watched a show on the Military Channel that rated the top 10 tanks of all time and the M1 was ranked number 2. Number 1 was the Soviet T-34. No Leopards to be found.
And guess what... Canada didn't even purchase the latest Leopard, they purchased old and outdated Leopard II's to replace their even older outdated Leopards C1's. In fact they are Dutch surplus that have been sitting idle in warehouses since the Cold War. YIPPEEEEE!
Canada wouldn't know what to do with top-of-the-line too expensive toys when we can show the world how to do it with recycled goods. We're used to working with what we have. Anything else is just wasteful. Why do you think some folks out there are going broke?
Woof!
A good chunk of most of the important parts on the space station are from Canada, including the Canadarm which allows you guys to fix the damn thing.
Again...how are you enjoying the ride? You built the arm for the space station but do not even try to say you have built the most important parts.
Do our universities and colleges compare to yours? Yes they do, if not better by the way your country's education system sounds like today..... crap. Oh but it is a lot more expensive to goto those blow hard places, so you beat us there.
Well they are not better and your universities do not even compare. Students come from all over the world to attend our Medical and Technical universities...and every other type of university. What happens is you factor in the urban schools into the equation and that brings down the numbers. In other words...you fail.
From Germany, duh, yes.... who said they wern't? We use the best tanks to date. They currently are made by the Germans, so we use those tanks. And clearly you don't even have a clue to their recent updates. And even without their updates they were still better then your M1's. But nice try.
See above post. The fact is that you do not use the best tanks. You said you purchased the Leopard II and I thought
"He must be wrong as the Leopard II is an older version of the current Leopard. Canada wouldn't waste money on that."
But I was wrong...Canada actually DID purchase old outdated Cold War surplus Leopard II's and are not the latest version of the Leopard. Which is still inferior to the M1A2.
Oooo wow, I'm sooo scared now. *shudders*
Do some research into your precious tank in comparison and stop talking crap our of your arse. And provide something to back up your claims for once.
See above.
Yes those two car bombs the other day are proof of that handling ability.... good job on that one. You haven't handled them when you got there, you're not handling them now.... how many years later?
And two car bombs has that much affect on the big picture. Get a clue.
Deerrr.... probably because they have another country to run off to, and they're not an insurgency as what your officials like to label them as..... BTW have you guys done any better? Nope.
Oh but you are claiming to be the savoirs of the Western World. You've got one slice and your whining. These Taliban are not a regular military force and you are criticizing the US and you cannot do any better.
*Sigh* geezus....
When in WWI, which country was the only one to take Vimmy?
Only one? Only one meaning the British and Canadians...led by a British Officer of course.
Who took Belleu Wood?
In WWII when the US and Canada formed a unified Brigade, I believe it was the Canadians who provided the training.
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The 1st Special Service Force was activated on July 9, 1942 as a joint Canadian-U.S. force of three small regiments and a service battalion. Following its initial training period in Montana, the 1st SSF relocated to Camp Bradford, Vermont, on April 15, 1943, and to Fort Ethan Allen, Vermont, on May 23, 1943. On July 4, 1943, it arrived at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation, and on July 10 sailed for the Aleutian Islands. On August 15, 1943, 1st SSF was part of the invasion force of the island of Kiska, but after the island was found evacuated, it re-embarked and returned to Fort Ethan Allen, arriving September 9.
Then it was on to the EU theater.
So it would help if you practiced what you preached and did some research.
And instead of giving you an entire history lesson, how about the fact we're doing a good portion of the training of the Afghan military, and not you guys?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...04/Canadians_AfghanArmy_071004?s_name=&no_ads=
And we have our own JTF2 which are used all around the world...
Used around the world however that is not confirmed. Formed in 1993 and Hey maybe THEY were the ones that burned down the Whitehouse! :lol:
Do some frigging research and find out, and stop wasting my damn time. Please indead.... I'm sorry am I hitting a nerve which is affecting your ability to rationalize?
I am familiar with your research methods and they are lacking thus far.
Oh, ok.... shall I start dragging in all the numerous rapes, murders, tortures, beatings of POW's, the rape of various women working for the US in Iraq by other US members?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/12/19/4732921-ap.html
As opposed to all of CF killings and rapes while wearing those silly light blue UN helmets. Never mind you sat back and watched 500,000 killings, rapes, and mutilations and did not lift a finger save to send OTHER UN Forces to be slaughtered in Rwanda.
How about the numerous botched air strikes, the rampant rage shooting US marines did not too long ago on unarmed Afghan civilians?
Got a link on that?
How about the idiot US pilot who bombed our troops while we were training?
Yeah the one Canada wanted hung the next morning before an investigation. But when a Canadian idiot fills his buddy with lead in the rear area and this forum explodes and says it was an American with their typical rush to judgement. However when found out it was Canadian on Canadian the Canadian govt. wants to bury it.
How about the British troops who marked their location, told the air support where to attack, the British chopper flew over and shot on target, while the US Apache turned around and shot the British troops?
Gross exaggeration as usual. This taken from a Blackleaf post from a British National Enquier. Again the troops weren't clearly marked and one... I repeat ONE soldier was hit in the leg. Maybe if you had some choppers that weren't crashing into your ships you could provide your own air cover and see how good you are.
Shall I keep going on your military's incompitance?
Our military's what?
Oh ok... I'm sorry, I didn't realize you know everything there is to know in the world, esspecially when it comes to my personal life and what I have done in the past, let alone my education and experiences surrounding me over the years....
yes of course, I have been corrected by someone who hasn't the first clue what the hell he is talking about and continually looking like a total tool.
Yeah, i'll wet my pants.... sure there buddy.... Ol'..... Pal.
You would.
I'll probably wet my pants laughing my ass off as you guys shoot yourselves in confusion.
Most likely you will be running north with wet pants...or your hands over your head asking for quarter.
Omg, are you for real?
Yes
My independant attitude? Not only did I just express the total opposite of that, I think it is you and your gun-ho, cowboy shoot-em-up GO JOE Attitude that's going to bite you in the ass.
YEEEE HAW!!! POW POW BANG BANG!!
Yes just like your evil blockade on Cuba which we still deal with today, trade goods and services, and send tourists down every year.... good job on that one.
Maybe you should learn the difference between an embargo and a blockade. The US has an embargo against Cuba not a blockade. Good job on that one.
Pssh.. you guys tried it before and lost.... we burned your great white house down along with a bunch of other crap you guys had lying around in Washington. Perhaps your wonderful education system taught you guys about that once apon a time?
Once again another myth made by Canadians for Canadians. The British fleet was dispatched from Bermuda with British soldiers fresh from Europe under General Ross. They did not go up to Canada to pick up any Canuck militia as you all claim. Not ONE fact substantiates or puts ANY Canadian in Washington. Why don't you watch History International as they have a show on the war with the burning of Washington. No Canadians...just British. The British had to fight your battles per usual.
Here is a quote for you...
"We cannot keep Canada if the Americans declare war against us again." British Admiral Sir David Milne :-(
It wouldn't be great, it'd probably end like the last one... with you guys pushed all the way beyond your borders, we burn your crap down again, leave because we don't want your peice of crap land and people, and you guys will claim you won, avoiding reality again like you always do.
With 100 1970 era tanks? A few ice cutters? Old F-18's (your welcome, nice planes aren't they)? Old English submarines...oh has your navy learned to close the hatches on those things yet?
Whatever. Our history books are different.
And not quite accurate from all intents and purposes.
So long as you're enjoying yourself. You haven't really proven anything except that typical US mentality we all come to grow and shake our heads at.
Thanks for playing!
Wow, your up to date, state of the art M1 beat out the Soviet's WWII tank.... good job on that one. Who would have thunk it? I also suppose it was a US based show, so of course the US is going to be made #1..... that's how you get ratings and money.
Apparently you think we just keep our equipment stock?
Our F-18's are not even F-18's anymore (CF-18) due to the level of modifications and additions we do to them, as well as the L2's. Our L1's were not even typical Leopards.
Education Ahead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CF-18_Hornet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1#Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2#ISAF.2FOEF
Bigger and more expensive is not always better, and if we can get the equipment we require and modify them to suit our needs, then why not?
Why go on the cheap to get what you want when you can go Hollywood, dramatic ... and broke? Might have to start a war with someone to pay the bills, but man, all those high tech gadgets sure look pretty before they get clobbered by sticks 'n' stones and your soldiers quit.
Woof!
Woof!
I provide a brief example with my posts. If I had to spoon feed you all the information in this discussion, I imagine my posts would be much longer. They're a hint for you to look this stuff up for yourself and get some education on what you're talking about.
The Canadarm was one example among many things we contributed to the space station, as well as the other various space programs/projects. If you looked into what is being talked about you would have realized the arm is one of the most important parts of the station.
Yet still no evidence to back up your claims. I suppose I should just stay the course and believe whatever you tell me.
Wow... they do that here as well.... what a coinky dink.
Observe the bigger picture for a minute or two. Crappy urban schools and private schools = less graduates, or graduates who truly don't know what they're doing, who don't hold a solid level of education to give them a foundation in university or college, therefore of course you're going to have more forigners coming to the US to study, because your own education system has prevented your own citizens from having enough education to goto university or to actually last.
Therefore your universities and colleges have to advertise elsewhere to other countries. Not something I would want to be proud of. Of course with a proper education system, you might notice that trend
Considdering the M1's were designed around the exact same time as the Leopards, exactly what is your point? Both class Tanks have been continually upgraded since then, and we have the currently up to date models.... oh and they're still better then the M1's.
Speaking of getting a clue, how about you look into more of the continual violence which happens daily there which was the original point to begin with. Besides going through an entire list of things just in the last few months, I once again figured that would have been enough of a hint to look into this information.
I guess not.
Sigh..... keep on track please. The original argument was about you guys criticizing our abilities when you are in no position to do so, based on very obvious reasons.
Indeed you should heed your own advice. I never said anything about the location of where they trained. Those locations don't prove training was US led.
Keep searching though.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/jtf2.html
Formed in 1993 and Hey maybe THEY were the ones that burned down the Whitehouse!
:angry3: Right. Of course.
Source and Connection?
Always:
http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
There should be plenty there for you to read.
Nobody wanted the pilot hanged... they wanted those idiots who gave him the go ahead to attack based on a fire being the area to attack (yeah, that's accurate intelligence) ~ not to mention loading him up on drugs.
And there's plenty of news coverage on the situation of the troop being shot in his tent, and I don't recall anybody trying to blame someone from the US for that one. But if you said that was in these forums, then that was before I joined. Nor was it myself blaming the US for it now or ever. I place blame where blame is due, where evidence is provided.
This was not relating to Canadian troops... try and keep things straight for once. And as explained before, they had their own chopper, and the pilot did what he was supposed to do.
And Popping pink smoke isn't being clearly marked?
and regardless if any were killed or wounded, the numbskull still shot at the wrong guys.
Here, you can have another link to the known friendly fire incidences at the hands of the US:
http://www.slate.com/?id=2064055
And it pretty much went from there.....
http://www.hollypagnacco2.com/ryan/cbc-friendlyfireindepth.pdf
.... moving on. :roll:
Regardless, you guys won't be capable of pulling off an Embargo or a Blockade of Canada even if you wanted to.... for many obvious reasons.
Um.... Canada was Britian at the time, who used Canadian Militias and regulars who were already stationed there for their forces, as well as many natives in the area to push you guys back, along with the additional forces sent from across the ocean.
Sigh....
If you can remember that far back, the point of this was showing the level of man power available and our willingness even today to gain help from our allies, whom we haven't screwed over yet, unlike a few other known countries.
"We cannot keep Canada if the Americans declare war against us again." British Admiral Sir David Milne
Point?
Keep thinking that if you want. That mentality only would benifit us.
What can I say? US Education. 
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Haven't you discovered yet, Michael, there is a WHOLE bunch of us that are jealous of your wars, your economy and.... your wonderful President!;-)
It's not downplaying, it's called reality. Sorry I don't hype you guys up to what you like.
Some guy dishes out ignorance, I throw it back, plain and simple. I didn't say you guys never done any good in the past, or even currently. As mentioned in many various threads here and in other forums, you guys have had plenty of good reason to pump yourselves up and be all gun-ho american.... but todays realities have deminished that image, and it's continually going down hill, and considderably since Bush came into power. Yet all at the same time, most in the US, like examples above, seem to have this delusion that the US is still the greatest country in the world who could kick anybody's ass for whatever reason you guys deem fit.
I just like to show this isn't the case.
And don't forget that Rome thought they were great and the empire would last forever as well. Nothing lasts forever, especially if you do not heed the current problems and complications which threaten that country/empire.
Saying that you are great doesn't make it so. Action does. And I personally feel there maybe a slight chance that you guys can get back to where you once where in the world once Bush and his policies are taking out of the picture.
Call it tough love
It's not downplaying, it's called reality. Sorry I don't hype you guys up to what you like.
Some guy dishes out ignorance, I throw it back, plain and simple. I didn't say you guys never done any good in the past, or even currently. As mentioned in many various threads here and in other forums, you guys have had plenty of good reason to pump yourselves up and be all gun-ho american.... but todays realities have deminished that image, and it's continually going down hill, and considderably since Bush came into power. Yet all at the same time, most in the US, like examples above, seem to have this delusion that the US is still the greatest country in the world who could kick anybody's ass for whatever reason you guys deem fit.
I just like to show this isn't the case.
And don't forget that Rome thought they were great and the empire would last forever as well. Nothing lasts forever, especially if you do not heed the current problems and complications which threaten that country/empire.
Saying that you are great doesn't make it so. Action does. And I personally feel there maybe a slight chance that you guys can get back to where you once where in the world once Bush and his policies are taking out of the picture.
Call it tough love
Thats good tought love. But I have to agree that U.S. can kick anyone's ass in the world today. But like i said before, China will be the next superpower in the next 5-10 years.
I'm like you, I take up for america just like you would for canada. It's not tough love, its patriotism.
Naw - Karrie clipped it on the head back in another thread (Great thing about Canada) when she said something about how "our betters" get worried any time some patriotism starts to burn in Canadian hearts. Okay, Most Canadians know how for a country this size, we got up one helluva shout. The Canadian way is too damned polite. IMHO we should have looked out for ourselves, kept a strong armed forces, and told Dief to push off when they first wanted to kill our Arrow. We came of our own in the First War and proved it in the Second. A bit too much patriotism and we might just do it again.
John Bull.... Uncle Sam.... We acknowledge your Power, your strength ... and your weaknesses. We're too feisty to go down without a scrap, and too stubborn to stay down when we are. What do ya think hockey is?
A ni**er is folks who are taken for granted, overlooked, underestimated, trod upon by those who don't care. As a Canadian ... yup, there are similarities....
Woof!
John Bull.... Uncle Sam.... We acknowledge your Power, your strength ... and your weaknesses. We're too feisty to go down without a scrap, and too stubborn to stay down when we are. What do ya think hockey is?
A ni**er is folks who are taken for granted, overlooked, underestimated, trod upon by those who don't care. As a Canadian ... yup, there are similarities....
Woof!
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Well I won't get into the details of the US's capabilities again, lol... but we'll leave it at that then.
I do agree that China is emerging to be a big player, if not already.
Well see, I also know Canada sure isn't perfect or the greatest country in the world.... no country is perfect or the greatest. I just feel that when I see someone express a mentality that appears a tad blind to reality, they pose a risk to their own country.
The US was one of the greats.... there are many current issues today which no longer make this true, which need to be addressed imo, but they're avoided and swept under the rug by the current government, either trvializing the situation, or just basically denying there is a problem.
I don't mind people being proud of their nation, just not at an ignorant expense to other nations' capabilities.
We could nit pick who has the best equipment, number of troops, training, etc... as we have been above, but in the end, it'll just boil down to a long drawn out conflict with no real end results which would not benifit either side in these hypothetical comparisons.
Just trying to keep heads out of the clouds to some degree.
Sure go ahead...modify all you want. But because they have a Maple Leaf painted on the side doesn't automatically make them better.
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Americans wear Maple Leafs all the time- Less likely to shoot you if you have a Leaf on.
I provide a brief example with my posts. If I had to spoon feed you all the information in this discussion, I imagine my posts would be much longer. They're a hint for you to look this stuff up for yourself and get some education on what you're talking about.
The Canadarm was one example among many things we contributed to the space station, as well as the other various space programs/projects. If you looked into what is being talked about you would have realized the arm is one of the most important parts of the station.
The arm is important but it would have been made by someone else. Canada wanted to be a part so they built the arm. If Canada did not want to be a part of the Space Station the project still would have gone forward.
Yet still no evidence to back up your claims. I suppose I should just stay the course and believe whatever you tell me.
Wow... they do that here as well.... what a coinky dink.
Observe the bigger picture for a minute or two. Crappy urban schools and private schools = less graduates, or graduates who truly don't know what they're doing, who don't hold a solid level of education to give them a foundation in university or college, therefore of course you're going to have more forigners coming to the US to study, because your own education system has prevented your own citizens from having enough education to goto university or to actually last.
The US is not one big city. If you are not going to a private school it doesn't mean you will be going to MLK High School in NY City. Urban schools just have their issues because of the place they are from and live. Boston city schools get more money per student than suburban schools but their grades are far behind the schools in out lying suburbs.
Therefore your universities and colleges have to advertise elsewhere to other countries. Not something I would want to be proud of. Of course with a proper education system, you might notice that trend
US Colleges and Universities do not advertise because of lack of qualified students. Foreign students provide diversity. I am just taking your word for it that they do only because ALL colleges and universities have a cooperative "Study Abroad" program with colleges in other countries including Canada. But the insinuation that we recruit foreign students to fill vacant seats is foolish. I have no doubt that Canada follows suit.
Considdering the M1's were designed around the exact same time as the Leopards, exactly what is your point? Both class Tanks have been continually upgraded since then, and we have the currently up to date models.... oh and they're still better then the M1's.
Well according to the CBC you are getting Leopard 2s. The Leopard II is a distinct tank that has been modified over the years and has taken on different designations such as the L 2A1, L2A2, etc. Now couple that with the report from the CBC and another Canadian military page I looked at that said these are Dutch surplus tanks that have been sitting in warehouses unused says quite a bit. They are obsolete and being stored because they are beyond their useful service time as far as the Dutch are concerned. They're yours now! Oh...and they do not come close to matching up to our M1's never mind our M1A2s.
Speaking of getting a clue, how about you look into more of the continual violence which happens daily there which was the original point to begin with. Besides going through an entire list of things just in the last few months, I once again figured that would have been enough of a hint to look into this information.
I guess not.
We are in a war...there will be violence. But the violence is decreasing and that is a fact.
Sigh..... keep on track please. The original argument was about you guys criticizing our abilities when you are in no position to do so, based on very obvious reasons.
I never once criticized any Canadian w/o observing the US being criticized. Not once.
Indeed you should heed your own advice. I never said anything about the location of where they trained. Those locations don't prove training was US led.
The location of the training says quite a great deal. When I searched the 1st SSG I could not find one thing that it was Canadian trained. It was led by a US Commander as well. I did find out that it was one of the WWII units that Canada is most proud of. I left this little tidbit out because I thought it was too harsh but Canadians made up 1/4 of the units strength. So Canada's favorite WWII unit was 75% American. All were equally brave I am sure...so you can stay focused.
Source and Connection?
Just type in Rwandan Genocide and you will be innundated with links. I just checked one page and I was off by 300,000...that source count was 800,000. What are you disputing? That the Canadian commander didn't send the best troops (Belgians) to be hacked to death. Completely unsupported by the main UN Force that he led. No plan whatsoever to rescue them. That between 500,000 and 800,000 people were raped and murdered?
Always:
http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
There should be plenty there for you to read.
Nobody wanted the pilot hanged... they wanted those idiots who gave him the go ahead to attack based on a fire being the area to attack (yeah, that's accurate intelligence) ~ not to mention loading him up on drugs.
And there's plenty of news coverage on the situation of the troop being shot in his tent, and I don't recall anybody trying to blame someone from the US for that one. But if you said that was in these forums, then that was before I joined. Nor was it myself blaming the US for it now or ever. I place blame where blame is due, where evidence is provided.
The disparity was the rush to blame the US for the blue on blue involving a Canadian because of ignorance. It happened right here and when a day passed and the Americans were not blamed the thread became a wee bit silent. After two days the Canadian Military said the death is under investigation KNOWING that he was shot by his fellow soldier and not much is said about it. I guess Canadian on Canadian is not too bad.
This was not relating to Canadian troops... try and keep things straight for once. And as explained before, they had their own chopper, and the pilot did what he was supposed to do.
And Popping pink smoke isn't being clearly marked?
and regardless if any were killed or wounded, the numbskull still shot at the wrong guys.
Oh but for effect you portrayed the US Chopper hosing down British soldiers when that was contrary to even what the article said. The article said one side of the story and when we are providing a majority of the air cover this is going to happen. Again...get some of your F-18's and choppers in theater and rely on your own.
Here, you can have another link to the known friendly fire incidences at the hands of the US:
http://www.slate.com/?id=2064055
And it pretty much went from there.....
http://www.hollypagnacco2.com/ryan/cbc-friendlyfireindepth.pdf
.... moving on. :roll:
Regardless, you guys won't be capable of pulling off an Embargo or a Blockade of Canada even if you wanted to.... for many obvious reasons.
Well again this is just your fantasy and the fantasy played out in the minds of many Canadians that we would even want to have an embargo or blockade on Canada...or a war.
Um.... Canada was Britian at the time, who used Canadian Militias and regulars who were already stationed there for their forces, as well as many natives in the area to push you guys back, along with the additional forces sent from across the ocean.
Sigh....
I am surprised you used Wiki for to back you up because it explains the "Canadian Myth". The issue was not whether Canadian Militia fought in the War of 1812 along side of the British Regulars. That is a fact and undisputed. The issue is Canada's claim that THEY burned down the Whitehouse. The fact is not one Canadian was involved in the raid on Washington. The British Regulars were FRESH from the European theater. It was a fleet that came from Europe and to Bermuda. They were sent from Bermuda to the Chesapeake. The infantry again, were right from Europe and veterans of the Pennisula Campaign against France. Canadian militia were not present. Even the British CanCon forum members get up in arms about Canadians claiming that THEY were there and THEY burned down the Whitehouse.
If you can remember that far back, the point of this was showing the level of man power available and our willingness even today to gain help from our allies, whom we haven't screwed over yet, unlike a few other known countries.
Point?
The point is even the English knew that they would lose Canada if we declared war against them.
Keep thinking that if you want. That mentality only would benifit us.
Well keep thinking that there will actually be a war between the US and Canada. I don't know how that mentality benefits anyone.
What can I say? US Education.
Well you claimed that our history books are different. It seems like your history is contrary, inaccurate, and trivial to the worlds.
Until we meet again!
Americans wear Maple Leafs all the time- Less likely to shoot you if you have a Leaf on.
Myth.
But when I visited Newfoundland as a kid my mom bought me a neat souvenier with a Canadian Mountie next to a campfire that had the Canadian flag on it. Maybe if I carried that around on top of my ALICE pack (or glued it to the top of my helmet) the PDF would never have shot at me.