Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
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What do you just stare at Canadian Content 24/7?
You really are a LONER. The Wolf part is just compensating for something else.
You ought to be polishing up on your ASW instead of following me like a puppy.
You really are a LONER. The Wolf part is just compensating for something else.
You ought to be polishing up on your ASW instead of following me like a puppy.
My but aren't you full of yourself. Polishing up? Thank you, no. I did my time...
Meet Argus....
If you would engage your brain before your mouth went into gear you might realize there is a vast difference between passive detection and active Anti Submarine Warfare technique. Vigilance is everything. Without it, you have ships sinking and airplanes flying into buildings. If you are the quality of soldier guarding your country, God help America!
Woof!
EDIT: BTW this post is NOT anti-American or America bashing. It is anti-troll
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Its true that Upper and Lower Canada were British colonies during the war of 1812. But the majority of people who defended Upper and Lower Canada from the US invasion during that war were locals and they referred to themselves as Canadians, not British or English. The name Canadian became official when we became a Dominion.
Canadians don't feel inferior or superior. We love our country, but we don't seem to have the same need as Americans to claim superiority. In fact,we find America's superiority complex annoying. Americans might find they would be better liked internationally if they were a little more humble.
As far as Canada's "significant" contribution to the Afghanistan war, I suggest you click on the link I posted above and look at the faces of Canadians who have died there before you belittle their sacrifices. Canada is in Afghanistan to address a threat to the US. Canada is a potential terrorist target because of our support of the US, not because we are percieved as a conquering nation. Americans should be more aware and appreciative of Canada's sacrifices. Instead, Americans are for the most part ignorant of Canada's contribution and you threaten us with trade embargos. (softwood lumber for example)
If you want to know about Canada's leading role in Afghanistan, please follow this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_role_in_the_invasion_of_Afghanistan
Canada's contribution to this mission consists of 2500 soldiers fighting in the most dangerous region of Afghanistan.
Since Canada has 1/10 the population as the US, we have more soldiers per capita fighting in Afghanistan than the US. I have no problem saying Canada is doing more than its fair share in the war which is most related to American security.
Canadians don't feel inferior or superior. We love our country, but we don't seem to have the same need as Americans to claim superiority. In fact,we find America's superiority complex annoying. Americans might find they would be better liked internationally if they were a little more humble.
As far as Canada's "significant" contribution to the Afghanistan war, I suggest you click on the link I posted above and look at the faces of Canadians who have died there before you belittle their sacrifices. Canada is in Afghanistan to address a threat to the US. Canada is a potential terrorist target because of our support of the US, not because we are percieved as a conquering nation. Americans should be more aware and appreciative of Canada's sacrifices. Instead, Americans are for the most part ignorant of Canada's contribution and you threaten us with trade embargos. (softwood lumber for example)
If you want to know about Canada's leading role in Afghanistan, please follow this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_role_in_the_invasion_of_Afghanistan
Canada's contribution to this mission consists of 2500 soldiers fighting in the most dangerous region of Afghanistan.
Since Canada has 1/10 the population as the US, we have more soldiers per capita fighting in Afghanistan than the US. I have no problem saying Canada is doing more than its fair share in the war which is most related to American security.
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I am forced to agree that some Canadians exhibit the nastiest symptoms of an inferiority complex when dealing with Americans......and I don't like them treating our friends that way.
As for the war of 1812, it was a British war, not a Canadian war...........we were along for the ride, but we were a minor factor in that war.....
What we CAN claim credit for is the successful resistance to numerous US invasions........in both the War of Independence and the War of 1812. The Yanks were decisively sent home with their tails between their legs anytime they ventured into Canada........
BTW, I don't think there is documentation of any surrender by the United States to the Vietnamese either......but no one claims you won THAT war........
I agree with the majority of the post that included this quote EAO, but I have to say in the Americans defence......I didn't see them belittling our sacrifice........
Americans should know our contribution to the Afghanistan war is significant. But most aren't even aware we or anyone else is there, besides the US and UK. I find that annoying. If someone was helping Canada, I'd at least be interested in knowing who they were and how they were helping.
Also I will admit feeling inferior... to the Japanese. When I was in Tokyo recently I noticed that 99% of the thousands of bicycles in downtown Tokyo aren't locked. People ride them to work, park them outside their office and when they come back at the end of the day, they are still there. I couldn't help but think that an unlocked bicycle wouldn't last an hour in downtown Toronto, let alone New York City or Miami. Offices have umbrellas anyone can borrow on the honor system. Also when I tried to pay 15000 Yen for a 1500 Yen bill at a restaurant, the person refused to take more than what I owed or even a tip.
So yes I will admit that Canadian culture is inferior to Japanese culture based on honesty and honor. But I feel we are about equal to the US.
Also I will admit feeling inferior... to the Japanese. When I was in Tokyo recently I noticed that 99% of the thousands of bicycles in downtown Tokyo aren't locked. People ride them to work, park them outside their office and when they come back at the end of the day, they are still there. I couldn't help but think that an unlocked bicycle wouldn't last an hour in downtown Toronto, let alone New York City or Miami. Offices have umbrellas anyone can borrow on the honor system. Also when I tried to pay 15000 Yen for a 1500 Yen bill at a restaurant, the person refused to take more than what I owed or even a tip.
So yes I will admit that Canadian culture is inferior to Japanese culture based on honesty and honor. But I feel we are about equal to the US.
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US incursions into Canada were repelled by the British I agree. That also can be said about British incursions into the US can it not? The same British troops that burnt down the White House (which Canada likes to take credit for) were soundly thumped when they moved to do the same to Baltimore and sent home with their tails between their legs. I don't hear too many Canadians wanting to jump on that band wagon. I am sure they do not like to mention the Battle of New Orleans which was a decisive US victory albeit an unnecessary battle as a truce was already signed. A treaty was struck to end the fighting however no surrender took place. But some Canadians like to say that THEY won. :roll:
You won't find me belittling their sacrifice but some obviously like to claim they are doing more than the Americans. I don't agree with that.
KIA-WIA
US 467-1636
UK 81
Canada 71-270+
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My but aren't you full of yourself. Polishing up? Thank you, no. I did my time...
Meet Argus....
If you would engage your brain before your mouth went into gear you might realize there is a vast difference between passive detection and active Anti Submarine Warfare technique. Vigilance is everything. Without it, you have ships sinking and airplanes flying into buildings. If you are the quality of soldier guarding your country, God help America!
Woof!
EDIT: BTW this post is NOT anti-American or America bashing. It is anti-troll
Once again this equipment has to be deployed. You cannot expect me to believe that Canada's Navy is constantly engaged in ASW 24/7. I know that you can't because the Russians just recently planted a Russian flag on the bottom of waters that Canada claims to be their own. Now how did that pesky sub get so close? Not just that... the dog gone DUTCH planted a flag on a Canadian island!
So... spare me the eternal vigilance garbage.
In my time it was Argus. Now, Auroras patrol 24/7. As I have attempted to explain to you, there is a vast difference between patrol and ASW. CAF patrols are more apt to assist fisheries and find polluters than seek out subs today - but they watch.
How did that pesky sub get so close? Close to what? The North Pole is international water. Considering it was a miniature, it was likely tended by one of the two Russian research ships that were there. I think you have misunderstood. Canada doesn't claim ownership. The seabed in question is clearly beyond our Arctic archipeligo and the continental shelf. Russian claims it as part of their continental shelf although it is well beyond their 200 mile limit. Canada disputes the claim.
BTW ... it was the Danish who planted their flag on a disputed rock a half mile in diameter between Elsemere Island and Greenland.
Spare you eternal vigilance? If only you had that luxury.
Woof!
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On the east side, recent surveys show that disputed rock is closer to Greenland than to any island claimed by Canada. The Danes are probably correct in claming that rock.
On the west side, the US/Canadian border in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska/Yukon is also disputed. The treaty between Canada and the US only define the land border. Offshore the dividing line should legally be based on distance to shore. In this case the US has a legitimate claim to areas claimed by Canada.
Canada could also go an plant a flag beside the Russian flag and sign a treaty recognizing their claim, if they recognize our claim. The Danes and the US could also plant their flags there too.
Submarines regularly travel through Canadian arctic waters undetected and unchallenged. We don't need to patrol these waters with warships to claim them. We just need the ability to detect and sink if necessary ships and submarines. The cheapest way to do that is with ice penetrating torpedoes dropped by aircraft.
Canada should welcome ships travelling through the North West Passage, as long as they have insurance to cover expenses in the event of an oil spill or rescue. The problem with this area being an international waterway is that the ships could pollute Canada's arctic and Canada is left with the responsibility to clean it up.
But this string is about a Chinese sub popping up next to an American aircraft carrier during the middle of military exercises. Maybe ASW wasn't part of the exercise, but I would have thought assets like that were always guarded by ASW. What good is ASW if its not constant? Does that mean that US aircraft carriers are only protected against submarines occasionally? That should be even more embarassing...
Sounds to me like ES is making excuses. I could have won that tennis match, but my arm was a little sore. I could have hit the target, but I have a headache today.
Why is it so hard for Americans to admit they can occasionally be caught with their pants down, just like everyone else?
On the west side, the US/Canadian border in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska/Yukon is also disputed. The treaty between Canada and the US only define the land border. Offshore the dividing line should legally be based on distance to shore. In this case the US has a legitimate claim to areas claimed by Canada.
Canada could also go an plant a flag beside the Russian flag and sign a treaty recognizing their claim, if they recognize our claim. The Danes and the US could also plant their flags there too.
Submarines regularly travel through Canadian arctic waters undetected and unchallenged. We don't need to patrol these waters with warships to claim them. We just need the ability to detect and sink if necessary ships and submarines. The cheapest way to do that is with ice penetrating torpedoes dropped by aircraft.
Canada should welcome ships travelling through the North West Passage, as long as they have insurance to cover expenses in the event of an oil spill or rescue. The problem with this area being an international waterway is that the ships could pollute Canada's arctic and Canada is left with the responsibility to clean it up.
But this string is about a Chinese sub popping up next to an American aircraft carrier during the middle of military exercises. Maybe ASW wasn't part of the exercise, but I would have thought assets like that were always guarded by ASW. What good is ASW if its not constant? Does that mean that US aircraft carriers are only protected against submarines occasionally? That should be even more embarassing...
Sounds to me like ES is making excuses. I could have won that tennis match, but my arm was a little sore. I could have hit the target, but I have a headache today.
Why is it so hard for Americans to admit they can occasionally be caught with their pants down, just like everyone else?
Really now... your foreign minister tends to think different.
Canada, meanwhile, plans to spend $7.5 billion to build and operate up to eight Arctic patrol ships in a bid to help protect its sovereignty.
Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay said planting a flag will not change the claim to the region.
"There is no question over Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic. We've made that very clear. We established a long time ago that these are Canadian waters and this is Canadian property," MacKay told CBC News.
"You can't go around the world these days dropping a flag somewhere, this isn't the 14th or 15th century. "
So it was the Danes then. They still did it and there was not anyone around to even protest.
Find some current bait to troll with. That's the problem with Googling a news. It can be very out of date. Besides, MacKay is a Tory. He couldn't find his ass with both hands.
Woof!
This string was all about gloating. That is all. There was no serious discussion it was all about laughing about an incident that took place one year ago and was dug up to make some Canadians feel good about themselves and another way to mock the US. That is all.
ASW can be constant but it can also be very expensive and needless during peacetime.
So a Chinese sub popped up. You all got a good laugh and directed your energy on our faults as opposed to looking at the state of neglect that your own Navy is in. How one incident in the Irish Sea grounded your whole submarine force... all 5.
Perhaps clicking on a link to verify may have spared you the effort of extracting your foot from your mouth again - or perhaps you just like the taste of toejam.
Unless you have changed your numeral system, the end digit in that year appears remarkably like a seven.
Enjoy your crow....
Woof!
Unless you have changed your numeral system, the end digit in that year appears remarkably like a seven.
Enjoy your crow....
Woof!
I'll give you that one ... even if it's NOT the link in the opening post or the topic. It doesn't make it go away and I'm getting tired of handing you back your tailfeathers anyhow....
Woof!
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