Harper Endorses Terrorism

[Colpy]

Here are the facts about Burma
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1300003.stm

According to this web site Burma has been under military rule since the early sixties.

Aung San Suu Kyi’s party the National League for Democracy, won a landslide victory in 1990 but they were never allowed to take power.

So Colpy, this group wants to bring down the ruling government because a large percentage of the people are dissatisfied considering that there is 50.7 million people.

Why is it that only a small percentage of people are demonstrating with that population they could over throw the government in no time?

The reason is that they are satisfied with the government or they don’t want to rock the boat.

A large percentage of the population just wants to live their lives and they don’t want any trouble.

Why is Burma all of a sudden on the international communities radar, is it because they have oil as a resource?

Who would benefit by the change in political climate? Who else the superpowers, that’s who.

You don’t see Canada doing much for Darfur where genocide is common there.

Where is the honourary Canadian citizenships seems to me that the freedom fighters in Darfur would need it more.

Demonstrations in an oppressed country never works it only works in a free democratic society where politicians are motivated by re-elections.

Demonstrations are window dressing in oppressed regimes where they will get world recognition for their cause.

The former U.S.S.R. is a good example of political change in an oppressed country and that is within the government.

If Burma were to use this method of helping the government in order to change the government then they would be able to have freedom within the next ten years

If not then the other way is what happened in Iraq where you find a government like America and if Harper is still in power Canada to invade Burma and with only 100,000 civilian deaths you would be able to achieve it in three to four years.

First of all, the very angle from which you attack this problem shows a serious misunderstanding of the issue at hand.............the issue is the government shot dead, without violent provocation, completely peaceful demonstrators. Even if those demonstrators were a tiny minority, that is simply unacceptable, and any blame must rest with those that pulled the trigger or gave the orders.

From your logic, if I were demonstrating say, against the establishment of medicare in this country, and was peacefully carrying a placard offof Parliament Hill, it would be quite justified for the police to shoot me in the head.....I mean, I'm only a very small minority.....not only that, but if I was encouraged to protest by my old Granny, who has waited two years for a hip transplant, the entire thing would be her fault.

Some REALLY faulty thinking here.

You should read some history as well.........the mass of the people always keep their head down, revolutionary or protest movements are always carried out by a tiny minority in society..........

As for Darfur, would you support a western invasion of the Sudan, led by the USA, without UN sanction?

I doubt it, but that is the ONLY way the slaughter there will be stopped. China, which has a veto at the UN and is the REAL bad boy in the world, and who is in love with the Sudan's oil, would stop any serious UN military mission there. The SECOND the west stepped up to the plate, "nO Blood For Oil" would be all you hear.......

 

[Colpy]

Your link provides every reason why Shwe is in violation of human rights codes and should be deposed. Why can't the people do it? They don't have the army on their side.

Wolf

It is very simple really, as one western journalist was told by a Burmese protester..."They have guns, we have none, they will always win".

As quoted in the Globe and Mail.

Why firearms BELONG in the hands of the people.

 

[Liberalman]

From your logic, if I were demonstrating say, against the establishment of medicare in this country, and was peacefully carrying a placard off Parliament Hill, it would be quite justified for the police to shoot me in the head...

Colpy

I guess you didn’t read my post

Demonstrations in an oppressed country never works it only works in a free democratic society where politicians are motivated by re-elections.

No would shoot you unless you had a lit Molotov cocktail.
In Canada, here you are allowed to protest I couldn’t say the same if the Conservatives had the majority.

When you protest in a oppressed regime then you would likely suffer the consequences.

In Burma they had peaceful protests for a couple of weeks before the soldiers moved in.

In Tiananmen Square the same thing happened the protesters did their marches for almost a week and the military warned the people to go home and the ones who stayed suffered the wrath of Chinese military might.

 

[Toro]

This woman won the Nobel Peace Prize.

To equate her with terrorists isn't exactly the sharpest analogy you'll ever see on a forum.

 

[Colpy]

Colpy

I guess you didn’t read my post



No would shoot you unless you had a lit Molotov cocktail.
In Canada, here you are allowed to protest I couldn’t say the same if the Conservatives had the majority.

When you protest in a oppressed regime then you would likely suffer the consequences.

In Burma they had peaceful protests for a couple of weeks before the soldiers moved in.

In Tiananmen Square the same thing happened the protesters did their marches for almost a week and the military warned the people to go home and the ones who stayed suffered the wrath of Chinese military might.

OMG!

That doesn't make it RIGHT!

Holy Jesus!

And you guys think HARPER is dangerous.

Now, read this slowly, maybe you will come to understand......

The protests in Burma are the people rightfully speaking out against a regime of murderers and oppressers.........same as in Tianamen Square.

The leader of the Burmese protests has taken a very brave stand against murderers. She is working for the freedom and well-being of her people. Her actions are ethical, brave, and non-violent. As such, she has won, and richly deserves the grateful recognition of Canada as a nation.....she is in no way a terrorist, she has not engaged in or promoted violent acts, and she would not be a terrorist even if she WAS proting violent revolution against a vicious military regime........

Unlike the LTTE, so lovingly embraced by the Liberal Party of Canada. You know the LTTE.......the Tamil Tigers? They INVENTED suicide bombings as a terror tactic, and murdered at least 35,000 people in Sri Lanka......and the Libs supported their fund-raisers in Toronto and refused to declare them a terrorist group.....all because of the 100,000Tamils in TO.

WHO SUPPORTS TERRORISM?!

 

[Toro]

The protests in Burma are the people rightfully speaking out against a regime of murderers and oppressers.........same as in Tianamen Square.

They're terrorists also, Colpy!

And Mulroney supported the Tiananmen terrorists too!

Those fascist conservatives!

 

[Locutus]

I endorse Nuggler as Entertainment Director.

 

[damngrumpy]

More often than not I find myself on the political left, however, this is too much for even liberal minded people. In this case I agree with Harper. I also agree we should be in Afghanistan but not in Iraq. What if we had people of questionable intellect, around during the second world war?
I agree with civil disobedience in some cases, and I agree we must strive to be peace keeper rather than combatents, but when will some people understand in Afghanistan there is no peace to keep, and to protect the infastructure we built for people we have to defend it, and if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. Too many people on the right assume that all people on the left believe the same thing, well that is not so

 

[CDNBear]

WHO SUPPORTS TERRORISM?!

The LPoC!!!

Dion openly demanding that Canada step in and assist Omar Kadhar, a know and self described, Al Qaeda terrorist, actually caught in combat with Allied Forces.

Liberal MP Denis Coderre, marching with Hezbollah supporters in Kebec.

and the very fishy optics behind...

Liberal MP Navdeep Bains, and his backing of Dions leadership campaign, when his own bid fell, only to have a controversal Liberal bill fall, by the extortion of his own(Dion) Party.

I think LM's post is nothing more then a Trolling trip.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could be that cluster fuct to think Harpo's actions on this are supporting terrorism.

 

[Locutus]

Using sarcastic euphemisms to imply or say, that you don't vote conservative is all this amounts to.

Some say Bush wants war. How idiotic. He maybe wants money, a legacy and fame. War is a tool to achieve that.

Besides, if terrorism was so cool and noble, then all their bearded little leaders would have strapped vests on long ago. None of those arseholes wants it either. They want glory, power, prestige and maybe even money. Say what it is.

 

[Fingertrouble]

Why waste our time with dumb statements like those of Liberalman? His posts on this thread just mean that he is either spoiling for a arguement or he's just "thicker than two short planks and the planks would be more useful".

 

[MikeyDB]

Do people resort to personal innuendo and character denegration because they're uable to present a well-informed cogent argument based on fact, or do they choose to personalize their contributions because the opportunity to "get-away-with" something that would likely find them face-down on a sidewalk outside a bar is just toooooo appealing?

The people of planet earth are manipulated by media, and who owns and operates "media"? Is it the poor and the millions toiling in sweatshops to build clothing and baubles for a consumer population conditioned to believe they're "entitled" to cheaper ....everything....?

When China is accused of poor quality control and shirking its responsibility to ensure that products produced to feed the "market" that will purchase these things are laden with lead and contaminants, who spent the money in China to create this situation?

When a people are held hostage by governments reaping the benefits of appeasing the wealthy bully and its appetites, is that government solely responsible for the situation? When Harper cuts a deal with Columbia is that at the behest of the average Canadian or is it done to ensure that the wealthy have yet another shot at reaping enormous profits at the expense of even the people who live in those nations? Harper is a fool and a dangerous fool because he was raised at the knee of white wealth in Canada and if anyone feels "entitled" it is the white conservative population that rallies to his call.

Window dressing.....

 

[CDNBear]

Do people resort to personal innuendo and character denegration because they're uable to present a well-informed cogent argument based on fact, or do they choose to personalize their contributions because the opportunity to "get-away-with" something that would likely find them face-down on a sidewalk outside a bar is just toooooo appealing?

You mean like just making stuff up to try and interject yourself into a discussion?

That would be one of your trade marks (MikeyDB

)...I'm still waiting for proof I referred to Palestinian children as "retard babies" as you acused me of. Slanderous lies because one lacks the ablity to contribute meaningfully, beats innuendo based on the fact that LM's post is delusional at best, on the BS-o-Meter any day.

The people of planet earth are manipulated by media, and who owns and operates "media"? Is it the poor and the millions toiling in sweatshops to build clothing and baubles for a consumer population conditioned to believe they're "entitled" to cheaper ....everything....?

When China is accused of poor quality control and shirking its responsibility to ensure that products produced to feed the "market" that will purchase these things are laden with lead and contaminants, who spent the money in China to create this situation?

When a people are held hostage by governments reaping the benefits of appeasing the wealthy bully and its appetites, is that government solely responsible for the situation? When Harper cuts a deal with Columbia is that at the behest of the average Canadian or is it done to ensure that the wealthy have yet another shot at reaping enormous profits at the expense of even the people who live in those nations? Harper is a fool and a dangerous fool because he was raised at the knee of white wealth in Canada and if anyone feels "entitled" it is the white conservative population that rallies to his call.

Window dressing.....

At least the rest of this post is meaningful and well thoughtout...good post, for the most part.

 

[jwmcq625]

It seems strange quite frankly that a man like Stephen Harper would make this gesture...+

Wasn't it the same Prime Minister who after championing "transparent and fair government" then gave a cabinet post to a politician who ran for the loyal opposition?

Harper has no sense of justice or appropriate behavior, so nothing this boob does should suprise anyone.

Get over it! Harper is not the only political leader to allow opposition members to cross the floor, and he will not be the last. I remember two high profile formers Conservatives who did the very same when Chretien was PM, Scott Brison, and Belinda Stronach, and both were rewarded with Cabinet Posts. Liberal Premier just did the very same thing when two P.C.'s crossed the floor to join the Liberals in New Brunswick.

I do agree however that if someone is elected while running for a particular political party and they become disillusioned for whatever reason, they should be made to resign their seats, and run again in a bi-election. I consider that they have betrayed the very people who elected them to office, and therefore they should resign rather than simply cross the floor.

 

[Colpy]

Who supports terrorism?

From today's Globe and Mail

Liberal MPs mark Tamil Tiger's death
by Bill Curry
Liberal MPs took part in a community event last night commemorating the recent death of a senior member of the Tamil Tigers in defiance of the conservative government's decision to list the organization as a terrorist entity...........Liberal MP Jim Karyglannis......was on stage at the event alongside fellow Liberal MPs Derek Lee, Maria Minna, Yasmin Ratansi, and Borys Wrzesnewskyj......

Now, in case you wondered, the Tamil Tigers are guilty (according to the RCMP) of fund raising in Canada using threats and extortion. (we are their major fund-raising centre, thanks to Liberal love of them) The Tamil Tigers INVENTED the concept of the suicide bomber, carry out raids in which they stop buses and shoot every man, woman, and child aboard, and have murdered at LEAST 35,000 civilians in Sri Lanka.

The Liberals love them.....because there are 100,000 in Toronto.

The Liberals would sell their collective soul to the Dark One for another seat or two in Parliament. In fact, they already have.

Thank God this scum no longer rules Canada.......may it be a long, long time before they do again.

A majority for Harper!

 

[Northboy]

That is what occurs when hate, idiocy, and stupidity rule.

What's that posters name?

Liberal-man

Ah, but because his Avatar is Liberal-Man, does that mean that he is a Liberal????

Too much smoke and mirrors around these sites to make that leap....

 

[Colpy]

Turns out there were NINE Liberal MPs at that lovely gathering in support of the Tamil Tigers, and a representative of Jack Layton, according to today's Globe and Mail.

We all know the real *****s here are the Liberals............the NDP are just like a horny old maid hanging around trying to pick up some leftovers.

Fer God's sake, let's keep these people away from the levers of power.....

A majority for the Conservatives next election!

 

[Niflmir]

To me, the word 'terrorist' has lost all functional value. I get the urge to sneer and I think about band wagons every time somebody brings it up now. There is far too much baggage associated with the word to do anything but make cheap sophistry. Much like the word awesome, even if you used it in a correct context your meaning is overwhelmed by memory of incorrect colloquial usage.

Now Harper throws around 'terrorism' (the word) a lot, so I appreciate the intended irony, but any value there is completely overwhelmed by the stench of the dead horse.

 

[earth_as_one]

The first post's tortured logic is hard to follow. Besides the facts already pointed out, but AUNG SAN SUU KYI never initiated the demonstrations.

C, Are you advocating arming the monks? They are pacifists.

This isn't over yet. But the international community could help by imposing an arms embargo against Myanmar's military. I don't believe in trade sanctions because the average person gets hurt.

China: Sustaining Conflict and Human Rights Abuses documents how Chinese weapons have helped sustain brutal conflicts, criminal violence and other grave human rights violations in countries such as Sudan, Nepal, Myanmar and South Africa....
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Report_China_selling_arms_to_rights_0608.html

China is most responsible for what goes on in Myanmar.