Please refrain from quoting Scripture at me, especially since you clearly do not comprehend what it is referring to. I stand by what I wrote, the Koran is a false teaching, a tool of the devil designed to deceive us.
Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?
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Please refrain from quoting Scripture at me, especially since you clearly do not comprehend what it is referring to. I stand by what I wrote, the Koran is a false teaching, a tool of the devil designed to deceive us.
```the Koran is a false teaching, a tool of the devil designed to deceive us.```
Ouch - such prejudice!
Ouch - such prejudice!
It has to do with the existence of the flesh.
The flesh exists in a condition which is contrary to God, because God is Spirit.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
That condition is separation which is death. Death of the body, soul and spirit.
From that, we needed saving. We needed life in the midst of a dead state, but we could do nothing to get it.
The whole object of the flesh thing is to cause the dead spirit that is in the flesh to seek its maker for salvation from that dead state.
What I mean by dead state is of a person who is dead to God.
The whole issue of sin, is deliverance, and the whole issue of death is life.
Life everlasting is the goal and the bible speaks of a glorious existence.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Pretty much the same way God can be a man. Getting at it the other way around is really sort of more of a logical bonus. You're not going to tell me something is impossible for God, are you?
Apparently identifying exactly where he/she may be hidden seems to be something he has difficulties in doing.
Assuming that's by God's own choice leads one to assume that faith is an essential part of our humanity. Makes sense to me.
You do exasperation better than anyone. The lightest touch, the tiniest of punctuations.
I bow to the master.
Pangloss
Is it really an essential part of our humanity?? I mean, faith is an important thing to explore...but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with god.
That's not how I read it. This omnipotent, omniscient god created a situation in which he knew perfectly well what was going to happen, he did nothing to prevent it, then punished his creations for doing exactly what he knew they'd do. And he knew he'd punish them, and what the punishment and its consequences would be.
The logic of this escapes me. I can't see it as anything but a deliberate setup, and frankly it looks no different to me than a sadistic kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. God, if he exists at all (and I don't believe he does, as most of you know) in his relationships with us ought to be held to at least minimal standards of logic and decency as we mere humans are given to understand these things, but god fails on every count. The Old Testament contains sanctions for genocide, slavery, mutilation, rape, the murder of those who disagree with you... I'll never forget the first time I actually read through the OT as a young teenager and being struck by what a sadistic, jealous, murderous old bastard god appeared to be. No subsequent re-reading has changed my opinion. I reject the whole package as a bad deal. He doesn't even answer prayers. What do you suppose would happen if 100,000,000 Christians simultaneously prayed for god to cause a remission of all cancers, prayed sincerely and selflessly for the good of others? I'll tell you what would happen: nothing. Nobody's listening, it's a delusion.
I'll probably get more negative rep points for blasphemy or heresy or something like that. Try to imagine how much I don't care what someone that stupid thinks.
Waiting for the fatal lightning bolt,
Dex
We've been endowed with the capacity to choose between good and evil at every turn. It wouldn't be a choice if it didn't involve consequences. Blaming God for mankind's and individual man's independant actions is irresponsible and belittles the nature of what it means to be human.
sanctus; said:
We have gone through this several times before. But to prove a point, would you like to make a bet?
If I prove it again with chapter and verse from the Koran, would you leave the forum for the next year?
Conversely, if I fail to quote chapter and verse, I leave.
Deal?
One last reminder -- we have gone through this before several times. Think it over carefully!;-)
You misquoted those verses before, and out of context. Trust me, I know just a bit more about these matters than you do. No bets needed, you are wrong. In no shape, manner or form do the Muslims consider Jesus the Messiah. If they did, they'd be Christians
Gopher has mis-quoted verses from the Koran indicating that Jesus was the chosen Son of God. This is par for their theology though, as they consider all prophets Sons of God. Mohammed is considered the "last" and "final" "True" prophet of God.
As you indicated, they certainly do NOT consider Joshua bar-Joseph(Jesus) to be the Messiah.
Thats the best bit of common sense I've heard yet!
That statement my friend is at the heart of the issue.
Blaming God is the part we all have to overcome.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: