Catholic Discussion

[look3467]

id love to reply, but have to respect the request we were given by "a priest" to not reply to non-catholics on this forum..it sucks..

This is one example of being under bondage to the Church and it's priests. You are not "free" to express whatis in your heart. Quote: "id love to reply". That desire than is suppressed.

I heard a quote that goes something like this: "The heart is where faith is and the brain is where fools logic is".

This says allot in that the first a thought comes into the heart to give, but than the brain engages and deny's it because of..........you name it, for whatever reason contrary to what the heart desires.

Here's what Paul said about our freedom of the heart: Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

This was directed mainly to the Jewish Christians that by believing in Christ they should be free (In there hearts) of the constraints of the Jewish synagogues and its demands not to adhere strictly to their laws and traditions.

Of what freedom do you suppose He would make us free from?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

never mind the word catholic, stick to what we know. wasnt it jesus that started the church, and appointed the bishops and priests to oversee it? so isnt it like a matter
of doing what he taught us to do, that is be in the church?

Jesus selected the Apostles to begin a ministry of spreading the good news of the salvation of mankind.
They took it from there and made it what it is today.

You have to study the conditions in which the Jewish people were in, and how they related to God, plus where the Gentiles fit in to the scheme of things.


There was a plan by God to be carried out by Jesus to save the world. That plan carried out in Jesus was in behalf of all mankind as the good news.

The good news is “Turn to Jesus and let Him be the head of your life” and you shall be saved from the rudiments of this world.

But because the message was new and the conditions were dangerous to ones life for proclaiming it, that it necessitated a bond between the members for strength in numbers.

Hence: the formation of the church to lead and direct. But since the time the bible was written as one book, then, is when a change begin to take place in the hearts of mankind towards the liberty of which Christ first came to proclaim.

You see, liberty of Christ can only happen in the heart. There are no institutions that can do that for they are are all physical. Your souls spirit heart is not a physical thing but spiritual. And there is where all this takes place, in the heart.

So, therefore, it does not matter what the flesh is doing, because the heart (Spiritual heart) is not a fleshly thing.

If your heart is converted, meaning transformed as the word says, then there is nothing that the flesh can do to derail that fact.

Why suppose there were martyrs? Because they we led by that heart. They killed the flesh but not the heart.

I hope that you are getting an understanding of what I am saying.

Look, I am not trying to sway you from your church, but only to give you the information so that you made stand firm on the grounds of Jesus’ foundation: Love.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

Jesus selected the Apostles to begin a ministry of spreading the good news of the salvation of mankind.
They took it from there and made it what it is today.

You have to study the conditions in which the Jewish people were in, and how they related to God, plus where the Gentiles fit in to the scheme of things.


There was a plan by God to be carried out by Jesus to save the world. That plan carried out in Jesus was in behalf of all mankind as the good news.

The good news is “Turn to Jesus and let Him be the head of your life” and you shall be saved from the rudiments of this world.

But because the message was new and the conditions were dangerous to ones life for proclaiming it, that it necessitated a bond between the members for strength in numbers.

Hence: the formation of the church to lead and direct. But since the time the bible was written as one book, then, is when a change begin to take place in the hearts of mankind towards the liberty of which Christ first came to proclaim.

You see, liberty of Christ can only happen in the heart. There are no institutions that can do that for they are are all physical. Your souls spirit heart is not a physical thing but spiritual. And there is where all this takes place, in the heart.

So, therefore, it does not matter what the flesh is doing, because the heart (Spiritual heart) is not a fleshly thing.

If your heart is converted, meaning transformed as the word says, then there is nothing that the flesh can do to derail that fact.

Why suppose there were martyrs? Because they we led by that heart. They killed the flesh but not the heart.

I hope that you are getting an understanding of what I am saying.

Look, I am not trying to sway you from your church, but only to give you the information so that you made stand firm on the grounds of Jesus’ foundation: Love.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Your information is totally BS. Jesus established the church, and set up Peter as the "rock" upon which he built that Church. I suggest you read your Bible, clearly it is something you do not understand yet.

 

[sanctus]

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[look3467]

Your information is totally BS. Jesus established the church, and set up Peter as the "rock" upon which he built that Church. I suggest you read your Bible, clearly it is something you do not understand yet.

Upon this rock! Is it talking about a stone? Is it talking about a building? Or is it talking about Himself?

Lets find a few verses indicating what “this rock” is.

Rock is a spiritual rock? 1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

I don’t see Peter as being the rock, do you?

So now this rock is a stumbling stone, a rock that offends, and then says to believe in this stumbling rock of offense as a: Him?

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

So now we get to your favorite verse: Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Thou art Peter, and upon “this rock”, upon this type of faith I will build my church.

This rock is Jesus in whom is my salvation. Psa 94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.


BS? Hummmmmmm!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

Upon this rock! Is it talking about a stone? Is it talking about a building? Or is it talking about Himself?

Lets find a few verses indicating what “this rock” is.

Rock is a spiritual rock? 1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rockwas Christ.

I don’t see Peter as being the rock, do you?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Peter’s preeminent position among the apostles was symbolized at the very beginning of his relationship with Christ. At their first meeting, Christ told Simon that his name would thereafter be Peter, which translates as "Rock" (John 1:42). The startling thing was that—aside from the single time that Abraham is called a "rock" (Hebrew: Tsur; Aramaic: Kepha) in Isaiah 51:1-2—in the Old Testament only God was called a rock. The word rock was not used as a proper name in the ancient world. If you were to turn to a companion and say, "From now on your name is Asparagus," people would wonder: Why Asparagus? What is the meaning of it? What does it signify? Indeed, why call Simon the fisherman "Rock"? Christ was not given to meaningless gestures, and neither were the Jews as a whole when it came to names. Giving a new name meant that the status of the person was changed, as when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham (Gen.17:5), Jacob’s to Israel (Gen. 32:28), Eliakim’s to Joakim (2 Kgs. 23:34), or the names of the four Hebrew youths—Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah to Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Dan. 1:6-7). But no Jew had ever been called "Rock." The Jews would give other names taken from nature, such as Deborah ("bee," Gen. 35:8), and Rachel ("ewe," Gen. 29:16), but never "Rock." In the New Testament James and John were nicknamed Boanerges, meaning "Sons of Thunder," by Christ, but that was never regularly used in place of their original names, and it certainly was not given as a new name. But in the case of Simon-bar-Jonah, his new name Kephas (Greek: Petros) definitely replaced the old.

 

[sanctus]

There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who were with him" (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27, Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).

 

[look3467]

Peter’s preeminent position among the apostles was symbolized at the very beginning of his relationship with Christ. At their first meeting, Christ told Simon that his name would thereafter be Peter, which translates as "Rock" (John 1:42). The startling thing was that—aside from the single time that Abraham is called a "rock" (Hebrew: Tsur; Aramaic: Kepha) in Isaiah 51:1-2—in the Old Testament only God was called a rock. The word rock was not used as a proper name in the ancient world. If you were to turn to a companion and say, "From now on your name is Asparagus," people would wonder: Why Asparagus? What is the meaning of it? What does it signify? Indeed, why call Simon the fisherman "Rock"? Christ was not given to meaningless gestures, and neither were the Jews as a whole when it came to names. Giving a new name meant that the status of the person was changed, as when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham (Gen.17:5), Jacob’s to Israel (Gen. 32:28), Eliakim’s to Joakim (2 Kgs. 23:34), or the names of the four Hebrew youths—Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah to Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Dan. 1:6-7). But no Jew had ever been called "Rock." The Jews would give other names taken from nature, such as Deborah ("bee," Gen. 35:8), and Rachel ("ewe," Gen. 29:16), but never "Rock." In the New Testament James and John were nicknamed Boanerges, meaning "Sons of Thunder," by Christ, but that was never regularly used in place of their original names, and it certainly was not given as a new name. But in the case of Simon-bar-Jonah, his new name Kephas (Greek: Petros) definitely replaced the old.

I agree with much of what you said in explanation, but referring Peter to a rock, meant that Peter had identified with Jesus who is the rock.
Therefore, Peters faith became that of Jesus'.

Likewise as for ourselves, we to can have that same rock faith. And we need not be the head of anything, but only the body as Christ the rock is the head.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

I agree with much of what you said in explanation, but referring Peter to a rock, meant that Peter had identified with Jesus who is the rock.
Therefore, Peters faith became that of Jesus'.

Likewise as for ourselves, we to can have that same rock faith. And we need not be the head of anything, but only the body as Christ the rock is the head.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Sigghhhh. Peter means rock AJ, or Cephos...and Christ indicated Peter would be the cornerstone of the church, as its leader, or as we now refer to the position, the Pope.

 

[look3467]

There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who were with him" (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27, Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).

Was Peter's character's such that he put foot in mouth first and then regret it later.
But Jesus transformed His heart, and became as one of strong character for Christ.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Sigghhhh. Peter means rock AJ, or Cephos...and christ indicated Peter would be the cornerstone of the church, as its leader, or as we now refer to the position, the Pope.

Yes, a leader and also of the type of transformed heart that we all seek after.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[csanopal]

I am trying to say the Rosary daily ). Unfortunately I get distracted. Also I am not sure if I am doing this correctly.

(I do this alone) For each decade, I say the Our Father. Then while I am saying the 10 Hail Mary’s I try to think about various aspects about the mystery that I am saying. However I find that I cannot easily do that – and my concentration suddenly drifts to something that has happened during the day (while I am continuing saying the Hail Mary’s). I then feel that I have not thought much about the mystery and end up saying more than 10 Hail Marys most of the time.

Is this the correct way of doing this. Also any suggestions for avoiding distractions? (I think I get more distracted because I am doing two things at the same time – if I am just simply praying I don’t get so distracted.)

 

[look3467]

I am trying to say the Rosary daily ). Unfortunately I get distracted. Also I am not sure if I am doing this correctly.

(I do this alone) For each decade, I say the Our Father. Then while I am saying the 10 Hail Mary’s I try to think about various aspects about the mystery that I am saying. However I find that I cannot easily do that – and my concentration suddenly drifts to something that has happened during the day (while I am continuing saying the Hail Mary’s). I then feel that I have not thought much about the mystery and end up saying more than 10 Hail Marys most of the time.

Is this the correct way of doing this. Also any suggestions for avoiding distractions? (I think I get more distracted because I am doing two things at the same time – if I am just simply praying I don’t get so distracted.)

I have an answer, but the question is not addressed to me.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

I am trying to say the Rosary daily ). Unfortunately I get distracted. Also I am not sure if I am doing this correctly.

(I do this alone) For each decade, I say the Our Father. Then while I am saying the 10 Hail Mary’s I try to think about various aspects about the mystery that I am saying. However I find that I cannot easily do that – and my concentration suddenly drifts to something that has happened during the day (while I am continuing saying the Hail Mary’s). I then feel that I have not thought much about the mystery and end up saying more than 10 Hail Marys most of the time.

Is this the correct way of doing this. Also any suggestions for avoiding distractions? (I think I get more distracted because I am doing two things at the same time – if I am just simply praying I don’t get so distracted.)

Apply the same method to reciting the Rosary. The rosary is a meditative prayer, that is its nature.
You are saying it correctly, but not with the same attention as personal prayer obviously. Praying the rosary is one sure way to defeat Satan.

 

[m_levesque]

Consecration to Jesus through Mary

As we go through the holy season of Lent, it is also the time of year when many people make or remake their Marian consecration. Many use the 33 day formula of St. Louis de Montfort. This consecration is made on a Marian feastday with the most popular being the Feast of the Annunciation on March 25th. To begin this 33 day consecration, one begins on February 20th.

There is a preliminary 12 days and then three more weeks of preparation with prayers particular to each phase. I will be posting these prayers. But first let us look at what the recent Popes have had to say and also a little bit about what consecration is and means.

Pope John Paul II on St. Louis Marie de Montfort
" ... At one point I began to question any devotion to Mary, believing that, if it became too great, it might end up compromising the supremacy of the worship owed Christ. At that time, I was greatly helped by a book by Saint Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort entitled 'Treatise of True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin.' There I found the answers to my questions. Yes, Mary does bring us closer to Christ; she does lead us to him, provided that we live her mystery in Christ. . . . . thanks to Saint Louis, I began to discover the immense riches of Marian devotion from new perspectives."

Pope John Paul II "Gift and Mystery" pp 28-30


April 20, 2005: Missa pro Ecclesia - First Message of His Holiness Benedict XVI at the end of the Eucharistic Concelebration with the members of the College of Cardinals in the Sistine Chapel
To support me in my promise, I call on the motherly intercession of Mary Most Holy, in whose hands I place the present and future of the Church and of myself.
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WHAT EXACTLY DOES "CONSECRATE" MEAN?
When something or someone is said to be consecrated, this means it is set apart by God for his exclusive use; it becomes holy. The word comes from the Latin consecrare: con-together + secrare-sacred.

We were all consecrated at Baptism when the priest poured holy water on our heads and baptized us "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." That is, we were "set apart" for the Holy Trinity. We are changed forever and pledged to the exclusive service of God, by God.

However, baptismal consecration represents only the germ of consecration. God has chosen us to a lifetime of Chris*tian holiness, and "his call is irrevocable" (Rom 11:29). But God does not do anything in us or to us without our coop*eration. We must continually give ourselves to God, to ask for, and to seek holiness on a daily basis, until it becomes a natural habit that lasts a lifetime.


WHY SHOULD WE CONSECRATE OURSELVES TO MARY?
God willed that Mary would have a special role in our Christian life when he gave her to us as our spiritual mother at the foot of the Cross (In 19:27). It is a universal role as*signed to her by God: All Christians of every age are to "take her into his home"-into our hearts, minds and every as*pect of our lives. This is why we pray to her and through her, asking for her assistance.

In perfect union with her Son and subordinate to him, Mary is called by the Second Vatican Council "our mother in the order of grace" (Lumen Gentium, no. 61). Mary be*came the prototype of total consecration when, at the be*ginning of the New Testament, she said "yes" to becoming the Mother of God (Lk 1 :37). She was chosen to help us in our consecration through her maternal intercession as Me*diatrix of All Graces, thus disposing us to develop the gifts of God that we received in Baptism. As such, Mary will en*lighten your mind, guide your will, empower your efforts and intercede for you in a special way before the throne of the Father.


DOES MARIAN CONSECRATION TAKE AWAY FROM MY RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS?
On the contrary, consecration to Mary heightens the depth of our commitment to Christ. It is a way to express explic*itly that our ultimate goal and end is GOD.

St. Maximilian Kolbe made it very clear that Marian consecra*tion does not stop at Mary: "In reality, we are entirely, com*pletely and exclusively consecrated to the Immaculata; in her and through her entirely, completely and exclusively to the Lord Jesus; in him, finally and through him entirely, completely and exclusively to our Father in heaven." And also, "Devotion to Mary is a direct means to this end. We pass with Mary to the Other."

By consecrating ourselves to Mary, she will always point us to the heart of Jesus, for "her will is so perfect that in noth*ing does it differ from God's." Marian consecration thus be*comes the ideal way to fulfill our baptismal promises, which we renewed at our Confirmation. St. Maximilian Kolbe summarized our Christian mission in the beautiful expression: "To win the world for the Immaculata, and as soon as possible."

As Vatican II teaches, calling upon Mary's intercession "does nor hinder in any way the immediate union of the faithful with Christ, but on the contrary fosters it." (Lumen Gentium, no. 60). http://www.catholicexchange.com/en/ave_maria_meditations

 

[m_levesque]

more than 10 Hail Marys most of the time.

Is this the correct way of doing this. Also any suggestions for avoiding distractions? (I think I get more distracted because I am doing two things at the same time – if I am just simply praying I don’t get so distracted.)

Here's what helped me. If you get EWTN! I combine my morning excercising with the Rosary, I ride my stationary bike for 1/2 hour while Father Mitch Pacwa does the Rosary every morning at 6:30 a.m. on EWTN, it is very visual, he leads you through the mysteries, for instance when we are meditating on the baptism of our Lord, he is actually saying the Rosary on the banks of the river Jordan. Each mystery has been taped in the Holy Land. And even when I am praying the Rosary without EWTN I still have very vivid pictures in my mind, it is much easier for me to picture the Holy Family going to the temple with the baby Jesus, when I am actually being lead to the temple and through the areas that it actually happened. Hope that helps

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Here's what helped me. If you get EWTN! I combine my morning excercising with the Rosary, I ride my stationary bike for 1/2 hour while Father Mitch Pacwa does the Rosary every morning at 6:30 a.m. on EWTN, it is very visual, he leads you through the mysteries, for instance when we are meditating on the baptism of our Lord, he is actually saying the Rosary on the banks of the river Jordan. Each mystery has been taped in the Holy Land. And even when I am praying the Rosary without EWTN I still have very vivid pictures in my mind, it is much easier for me to picture the Holy Family going to the temple with the baby Jesus, when I am actually being lead to the temple and through the areas that it actually happened. Hope that helps

i think we get ewtn. how good a station is it anyway in terms of doctrine and that sort of stuff?

 

[sanctus]

i think we get ewtn. how good a station is it anyway in terms of doctrine and that sort of stuff?

A very good station with some excellant programmes featured.

 

[csanopal]

Stupid question...does Canada have a patron saint? And if so, who is it?

 

[sanctus]

Stupid question...does Canada have a patron saint? And if so, who is it?

Yes, it is
Saint Jean de Brébeuf