Catholic Discussion

[L Gilbert]

Westmanguy

My understanding after searching for answers, have led me to this: Mankind is older than what the creationist believe it to be.

The 7 day creation story is just that. It is God’s way of telling us that He created the worlds, mankind and all that there is.
But for simplicity, the 7-day creation story suffices, as well as the story of Adam and Eve.
We may part ways here but I have come to that conclusion based on what I believe the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.
I have bible references to show how that is so.

Mankind has been evolving from: ? Point in time, no body knows. But God did create the first man Adam and the first man Eve. Both Adam and Eve are called Adam.

Evolutionist can agree with that as far as evolving.

The key point to understand here is this: That God is the creator, and we are His creation.
Everything in between is mans interpretation.

If you focus on who we are in relation to Him, than there is nothing to be gained by proving either case. For neither can be proved.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

In order for everything to have been created there must first have been nothing (which is a concept that few people can grasp). So it must have created itself after having created nothing to begin with, but then in order to create nothing in the first place it would have to exist and in which case it would have to create itself before it created nothing. But then nothing is nothing so nothing couldn't create a creator then create nothing with which to start with. But then, ............ The only way this is possible is if the whole concept came from between man's ears, which is what I've been saying in the first place: humans created gods in their own image.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nothing can be known of anything until knowledge is given.

Where mankind arrived at the knowledge of a soul is when God introduced Himself to Abraham. After that it has been an evolutionary growth in knowledge of God.

Nuts. You obviously know nothing of Hinduism (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than Christianity) and your god, yet they had souls way back then. http://hinduwebsite.com/reincarnation.asp

But to fully understand the state of the first man soul, we have to look at Jesus. Why? Because it is in Jesus where the very first mans soul is released from its prison.

Prison meaning, that because there was no bridge to tie the spiritual world with the physical world, the souls of mankind where held in a state of suspension. Until Jesus was sent to bridge the gap and save all souls that were lost due to the spiritual separation. Better understood as: death.

Horsesh|t. http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm
But of course, this isn't true if the Christian thinks all other religions are crap.

 

[karrie]

Geez I wish my sig would come up when I want it to. A perfect thread like this, and of course, it never wants to show. lol.

I'm curious (I cant recall who wrote it, but will ask the question of the whole), when did evolution become 'fact'? All of the scientists I know, quite a few anthropoligists in the mix, say it is a theory. An awesome theory, THE theory, and most likely true, but, still only a theory by any scientific standards.

 

[L Gilbert]

Geez I wish my sig would come up when I want it to. A perfect thread like this, and of course, it never wants to show. lol.

Yeah, that is irritating isn't it?

I'm curious (I cant recall who wrote it, but will ask the question of the whole), when did evolution become 'fact'? All of the scientists I know, quite a few anthropoligists in the mix, say it is a theory. An awesome theory, THE theory, and most likely true, but, still only a theory by any scientific standards.

Evolution happens. That is a fact. The theory of evolution has enough evidence to point out the way things on Earth have evolved, but there are gaps that still need to be filled. No rational, knowledgable person disputes that evolution didn't or doesn't happen. What isn't fact, only a hypothesis, is the origin of life.

 

[L Gilbert]

Not intended to be perceived that way, but unfortunately it is.

It is a way of thinking just like you have your way. But bottom line, is there love that we can both agree on?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Yup, there is love, but that has little bearing on an extreme disliking. My love is for life in general, a few specifically, but there are some specific lives I'm not fond of; Culicoides Ceratopogonidae, for instance.

 

[marygaspe]

We all have the same potential to love. But there are degrees. Knowledge of the word, experience and teaching by the Holy Spirit add an increase of love.

Love covers a multitude of sins, and is the only weapon of choice to defeat evil in this world.

Jesus used it and conquered the world. He then left it as a commandment of which we ought to investigate to get the full measure of understanding of what Godly love is.

If we all on this board understood what Godly love was, there would be no discussion.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

P. S. To answer in a yes or no context to your question, you've answered that for me. Yes!

You are not serious, surely?! Are you aware that pride is a sin, and I think it is a sin, or wrong if you prefer, in any religious context. How can you honestly believe you are the only one with the key to these things? Your problem is you worship the Bible, not God. I don't accept you as a Christian at all. You don't speak Of Christ, you speak of AJ.

 

[marygaspe]

As a Christian I am having trouble understanding how to apply the Theory of Evolution to my belief

Points:

1) Evolution is a theory, but has been proven quite thoroughly
2) God created us in his image. Adam came from the dust, and Eve from the rib of Adam.

.

This sort of surprises me. I thought it was fairly accepted by the mainstream of the Christian community that evolutionary processes were acceptable. Unless, of course, you belong to one of the pentecostal sects perhaps? As a Catholic, I have never heard a priest support a literal explanation of the Genesis creation story.

 

[marygaspe]

When I was baptized? Thats kinda like being born into it...

Me too. Assuming of course it's followed up by being raised in the faith. When we were kids, the Church was the central focus of most Catholic's lives. and this was back when the Latin Mass was the norm. Catholic schools were heavy on catechism so much so that by the time one reached her teens, the faith was pretty ingrained. Many stopped going to Church when they were older, only to return when they married and started a family. That was true in my case.

 

[china]

Celibate /"Knowing God

Those who are trying to be celibate in order to achieve God are unchaste for they are seeking a result or gain and so substituting the end, the result, for sex—which is fear. Their hearts are without love, and there can be no purity, and a pure heart alone can find reality. A disciplined heart, a suppressed heart, cannot know what love is. It cannot know love if it is caught in habit, in sensation—religious or physical, psychological or sensate. The idealist is an imitator and therefore he cannot know love. He cannot be generous, give himself over completely without the thought of himself. Only when the mind and heart are unburdened of fear, of the routine of sensational habits, when there is generosity and compassion, there is love. Such love is chaste.
Share your "celibate" thoughts.

 

[fatbasturd]

Do you believe in Jesus? I mean trust Him completely?

peace>>>AJ:love9:

My Beliefs are not the issue here .You asked a question and I answered as honest as i could.

 

[m_levesque]

Do you believe in Jesus? I mean trust Him completely?

peace>>>AJ:love9:

You're the last person that should be asking that, since your past posts clearly indicates you wouldn't know who Jesus was if He was sitting next to you on the bus;-)

 

[m_levesque]

We all have the same potential to love. But there are degrees. Knowledge of the word, experience and teaching by the Holy Spirit add an increase of love.

Love covers a multitude of sins, and is the only weapon of choice to defeat evil in this world.

Jesus used it and conquered the world. He then left it as a commandment of which we ought to investigate to get the full measure of understanding of what Godly love is.

If we all on this board understood what Godly love was, there would be no discussion.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

P. S. To answer in a yes or no context to your question, you've answered that for me. Yes!

You wouldn'y know Jesus if he stood in front of you with a sign saying "I'M THE MESSIAH". Satan, him you know for you spout his lies.

 

[m_levesque]

Your doing good my friend, let it all out! It all has to be drawn out of you before it can be replaced with God's love.

I am here for a reason.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Funny about that. The more gibberish you write, the more convinced I am that the only true Christian path is Catholicism. So, I guess I have you to thank for that!

 

[tanakar]

Those who are trying to be celibate in order to achieve God are unchaste for they are seeking a result or gain and so substituting the end, the result, for sex—which is fear. Their hearts are without love, and there can be no purity, and a pure heart alone can find reality. A disciplined heart, a suppressed heart, cannot know what love is. It cannot know love if it is caught in habit, in sensation—religious or physical, psychological or sensate. The idealist is an imitator and therefore he cannot know love. He cannot be generous, give himself over completely without the thought of himself. Only when the mind and heart are unburdened of fear, of the routine of sensational habits, when there is generosity and compassion, there is love. Such love is chaste.
Shate your "celibate" thoughts.

What does "shate" mean?

 

[Curiosity]

China - Good Morning

Tell me - are you doing a bit of self examination on this particular theme?

Do you feel that in marriage you have become more giving and religious as opposed to your previous life of celibacy?

It is a curious thought you have here and I'm gonna spend the day thinking on this one. I never equated celibacy with "proof" of anything other than circumstance or choice.

Did it again China! Your mind is so full of questions....

 

[china]

tanakar : What does "shate" mean?

on my lap top the letter "t" is next to letter "r" ,and I have big fingers ,you knoe what I mean ....2 letters at he same time .Besides, my spelling is very bad , it's not worth beans or is it beens ....bins....

 

[china]

same post

 

[china]

Curiosity :
Do you feel that in marriage you have become more giving and religious as opposed to your previous life of celibacy.
Hi Curiosity Well ,I dont know if I,m more loving and/or giving. As far as celibacy goes the first year, when I took my vow,I was lost,I was in battle with myself.But later when I understood everything ,reasons for my actions , therwas no effort-it takes alot of self knowledge.
Here is a little story....hope it makes sense to you Curiosity.
Two monks were going from village to village, preaching, and they came to a river, and they saw by the side of the river a girl weeping, and one of them said to her, ‘Sister, what are you crying for?’ and she said, ‘This morning early, I waded across the river, and my home is on the other side and there is no boat, and I can’t wade it now because the river is full, and that’s why I don’t know what to do and that’s why I’m crying.’ So one of the monks says, ‘Don’t cry, it’s very simple.’ He picks her up, wades across, leaves her on the other bank and goes on. So these two monks go on for two hours and after two hours the other brother says, ‘Brother, we have taken a vow never to touch a woman. Brother, what did it feel like to carry that woman. Did you get excited? Did you feel extraordinary things happening to you?’ And the other says, ‘I left her two hours ago and you’re still carrying her.’

 

[m_levesque]

Curiosity :
Do you feel that in marriage you have become more giving and religious as opposed to your previous life of celibacy.

.’

Interesting way to live, I think. Some men, like priests for example, seem to thrive on celibacy. I wonder though how they, or if they, release the sexual tension that is so common in so many men.

 

[china]

m_levesque : I wonder though how they, or if they, release the sexual tension that is so common in so many men.

Sex is a biological "impulse" , don't ty to control an impulse,try tonunderstand it.Self knowledgeis is the begining.