How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

mapleleafgirl

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My goal is not to convert. Only to present Christ and what He can do for us. If there is to be any conversion, it will be by the Holy Spirits touching the heart of Gilbert. But until that happens, nothing will change, no matter how much we present our views.
But, don't forget that there are many others who do listen and do hear what we say and are touched by the Holy Spirit and are converted to Christ.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

maybe, but whats funny is the more i read your posts the more it convinced me the catholic church made more sense. your just pulling ideas out of your ass. i like you, but some of your ideas are totally, but totally, wacked.
 

mapleleafgirl

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(you've heard of Him I'm sure) Brother Sanctus, of all people you should make such a comment.
You know Jesus is dear to my heart and my Savior and Redeemer, of whom my whole life and soul rests on.
He is my sure foundation, my solid rock, my refuge in times of need, my counselor, my Might God in whom I trust.
He is my friend, He knows my heart and teaches me all I need to know.
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being honest, not trying to attack you, but just going in the whole honesty flow, i dont believe you really know jesus at all. i believe you think you know him but you try to fit him into your own personal agenda about what you think he was all about.and if jesus is god, hes not your friend, hes your lord.
 

mapleleafgirl

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Perhaps people think that, but then he turns right back around and starts talking people outta their money again in another evangelistic show.

Yep. So which way is the right way?

Which are? I figure I'm pretty "blessed" by having what I have around me - good family and good friends.

Um, this part is a bit confusing, AJ. So if you performed some sort of minor infraction and I a profoundly despicable act, the "punishment" would be the same for both of us? All I can say is that this scenario would really suck in your case, or I'd get off with a slap on the wrist. That hardly sounds fair to me.

for sure! some things are worse then others, it makes sense.
 

sanctus

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being honest, not trying to attack you, but just going in the whole honesty flow, i dont believe you really know jesus at all. i believe you think you know him but you try to fit him into your own personal agenda about what you think he was all about.and if jesus is god, hes not your friend, hes your lord.


While I certainly agree that AJ's personal theology is corrupted with error, I also wish to indicate to you Maple that no-one can know the context of another's heart and soul.
 

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There were two men who came to the temple, one was justifying himself saying Lord thank you for making me a good man, I pay my taxes to the Church, I give alms, I study the Law of the prophets, I am really good, but that man on the corner is a publican, he truly is a sinner, I am happy that I am not like Him. In the mean time the other man was beating his breast saying: Lord have mercy on me, I am a sinner.
Jesus said that the second man went home justified because he accepted that He was a sinner. Someone called Jesus good and He rebuked Him saying there is only one who is Good, the Father in Heaven. Therefore, we are no good, and the more we think we are, the more evil we become because we allow pride to take the better of us.
 

sanctus

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Sanctus, could you explain the Christian idea of the Trinity to me. Are there three gods? Are they different aspects of one being? What is the orthodox view of this?

Yes, the Trinity is three natures, or aspects of the one God. God who manifests Himself in three distinct fashions whilst still remaining one God. Consider yourself, if you're married you are a husband. If you have children you are a father. And since you are alive, and have parents, you are also a son(or daughter). Three different but equal relationships within one being-a trinity.
 

Niflmir

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Yes, the Trinity is three natures, or aspects of the one God. God who manifests Himself in three distinct fashions whilst still remaining one God. Consider yourself, if you're married you are a husband. If you have children you are a father. And since you are alive, and have parents, you are also a son(or daughter). Three different but equal relationships within one being-a trinity.

That makes a lot of sense, but does that mean that a Christian interprets God as his own begetter? Or is that too simplistic?
 

sanctus

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There were two men who came to the temple, one was justifying himself saying Lord thank you for making me a good man, I pay my taxes to the Church, I give alms, I study the Law of the prophets, I am really good, but that man on the corner is a publican, he truly is a sinner, I am happy that I am not like Him. In the mean time the other man was beating his breast saying: Lord have mercy on me, I am a sinner.
Jesus said that the second man went home justified because he accepted that He was a sinner. Someone called Jesus good and He rebuked Him saying there is only one who is Good, the Father in Heaven. Therefore, we are no good, and the more we think we are, the more evil we become because we allow pride to take the better of us.


So what are you suggesting? That we cease our efforts to be good? Read more of the Gospels, Jesus also teaches us to strive to stop sinning and to focus on doing good works for our neighbours.(And he does not mean just those who live around us, for we are all neighbours to one another)

One of my personal issues with self-proclaimed "born-again" Christians is listening to, or reading , their endless Biblical quotations. One can only wonder when they plan to take their noses out of the Bible and apply its principals to actual life. There are people all around us who need us to be of assistance to them. They are not asking us to quote Scripture at them! They are not asking us to teach them about our Bible! They are asking to be fed, to be clothed, to be comforted and loved. That is what we should be about as Christians.
 

Niflmir

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So what are you suggesting? That we cease our efforts to be good? Read more of the Gospels, Jesus also teaches us to strive to stop sinning and to focus on doing good works for our neighbours.(And he does not mean just those who live around us, for we are all neighbours to one another)

One of my personal issues with self-proclaimed "born-again" Christians is listening to, or reading , their endless Biblical quotations. One can only wonder when they plan to take their noses out of the Bible and apply its principals to actual life. There are people all around us who need us to be of assistance to them. They are not asking us to quote Scripture at them! They are not asking us to teach them about our Bible! They are asking to be fed, to be clothed, to be comforted and loved. That is what we should be about as Christians.

I agree with this interpretation. In fact, I think that that particular quote is meant to illustrate just the point you are espousing Sanctus. It is definitely true that the endless string of out of context quotations gets to be a little wearisome.
 

sanctus

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I agree with this interpretation. In fact, I think that that particular quote is meant to illustrate just the point you are espousing Sanctus. It is definitely true that the endless string of out of context quotations gets to be a little wearisome.


Ahhh, how very true. You "hit the nail on the head", so to speak. Most of the Scriptural quotations used by our non-Catholic friends are generally totally out of context. That is another issue with thise type of "sola scriptura" approach to faith, that each reader seems to think each verse means something in and of itself particular to that readers' expectations. A rather unsound foundation to build a theology around, in the opinion of the Church.
 

sanctus

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Yeah, I make up a lot of words.

I wonder if Jesus is supposed to be the begotten son of God. Then being God simultaneously... it seems that God begets himself.

Oh, I see. Yes, on the surface that is certainly what it seems. A bit of a mystery that we are not able to understand. Look at it another way, after centuries of sending us prophets to reconcile us with God, He finally selected the most intimate way to re-connect with us by coming to earth in the flesh. To do so, He knew He would have to cater to our abilities to relate the event to teachings on same in the Old Test., so He choose a woman to be His earthly mother, and joined into the fullness of humanity, and yet still was God. One man, two natures. And just a side-note of trivia for those who give a darned, if you ever wondered why there are two lit candles on an altar, it is because the two candles represent the two natures of Christ-human and divine. And on High Altars, the six candles represents the six days of creation.