Islam? Tolerant? Yeah right!
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Nowhere in the Quran, does it say women must wear a burka. But in some of the extreme Muslim countries it is law. Even in Saudi Arabia, women are extremely conservative in their dress.
Sigh.
The United States is a close ally of Saudi Arabia, which is one of the strictest Muslim states on the planet. This belies your contention that the United States hates Muslims.
Iraq was NOT a Muslim state, it was a secular state (no religious law or legal authority exercised by the Mosque). It happened to have a majority Muslim population.
Explain to me, please, what the United States had for an "agenda" when they defended Muslims against Serbs?
For that matter, explain to me their "agenda" in pushing Saddam out of Kuwait. Everybody, including the US ambassador, thought they would just keep happily buying oil from Saddam.
Explain to me the "agenda" the USA was furthering in trying to bring stability to the Muslims in Somalia.
To hell with "insinuendo" let's see some "explicitness" in your explanation.
Tired of beating you head against the wall Colpy? They hear only one voice, their own and it's not the voice of reason but forced "Silence" shush don't want the truth to be told.
I'll tell ya,
I sing in a choir that can't decide which century its in for a parish that prays for our soldiers every week but hasn't prayed for peace in over a month and that's represented by a national council that's been asked not to show up to the world conference this year, or next or last it doesn't matter, because its been ostrisized over an issue we're afraid to talk about because some fences are better off left unpainted.
I couldn't feel more a home.
I never said the US hates muslims and i'm not going to explain anything to you because you're going to have to find out what the "agenda" is on your own. You obviously think what i said is a bunch of BS but its not and people like you will always be ignorant.
So why should i bother explaining?
It doesn't specifically say burka, but it does say that women should cover themselves with loose fitting clothes from head to toe with the exception of the face and hands. I mean you can obviously cover your hands and face but that's up to you. So i guess the burka does fit into that category.
Ah, the purpose of this board is to debate, to educate each other, to engage in an intellectual exercise of challenge and parry, hopefully with a modicum of respect for the other person.
If you refuse to back up what you say, you are a waste of time.
Either that, or the simple fact is you don't have an explanation.
So, which is it?
This is yet another example of the "Religion of Peace", god help the Christians. No pun intended.
Monday October 09, 2006
NIGERIA: STUDENT EIGHT MONTHS IN HIDING AFTER ESCAPE FROM STONING
October 9 (Compass Direct News) – Eight months after she escaped from a judgment by officials at a school of nursing she attended in Sokoto to stone her to death for “blasphemy,” Ladi Muhammed is still in hiding.
The 22-year-old Christian woman told Compass from her place of refuge how Muslim students and teachers at the School of Nursing and Midwifery in the northern Nigeria city, capital of Sokoto state, accused her of blaspheming the prophet of Islam after a dispute with a Muslim friend. The accusation led to the students, faculty and administrators condemning her to death by stoning.
The ordeal began when Muhammed’s aunt, Hajiya Mary, phoned her on February 2 at the school. While she was still on the phone, a Muslim friend, Aisha Tambulwal, asked her who had phoned her, and Muhammed excitedly told her that the caller was her aunt.
“While responding to the phone call from my aunt, I addressed her as Hajiya, the name we know her by,” Muhammed said. “My friend became curious and wanted to know what ‘Hajiya’ was to me. I told her she was my mother, because, being an elder sister to my mother, Hajiya was a mother to me. Furthermore, I grew up under her care. And so my Muslim friend asked why was it that I was a Christian while my parents were Muslims.”
Muhammed told her that, though her dad (now living in the United Kingdom) was Muslim, she had come to believe that Jesus Christ was God and the Savior of mankind. Tambulwal became angry and began to insult her.
“You are an infidel – if not, how can your parents be Muslims and you a Christian?” Tambulwal told her. Furious, she asked Muhammed, “How can your parents who are Muslims allow you become an infidel?”
As her parents divorced when she was young, Muhammed grew up with her mother, a Christian still living in Kebbi state, where Muhammed was born in Zuru town. After Muhammed told Tambulwal to stop calling her an infidel, her friend responded with insults and name-calling.
Tambulwal refused to heed her appeals to end the discussion. She insisted that she had to persuade Muhammed to renounce Christ and become a Muslim or else God would hold her accountable for failing to do so.
“She warned me to become a Muslim since my parents were Muslims, and in the same vein, said Christians who are followers of Jesus Christ will all go to hell because they are serving a mere man,” Muhammed said. “At this point, I sought to correct her by explaining to her that the Bible says it is only those who do not believe in Christ that will go to hell.”
Tambulwal began to shout in a rage, and Muhammed walked away from her, she said. Muhammed thought the matter was over. A week later, however, Tambulwal and two other female students – Hadiza Usman and Sadiya Abdullahi Daweh – came to her class and accused her of blasphemy against Muhammad, the prophet of Islam.
“I was surprised, because throughout my discussion with Tambulwal, I never mentioned the name of the prophet,” Muhammed said. “Yet they claimed that I said the prophet was in hell. I assume that because I tried to let her know that it is those who do not believe Jesus Christ that will go to hell that they are using this to accuse me of blasphemy.”
She walked away, but the girls – whom she described as militant Muslims – followed her out of the classroom, and soon much of the student population went into a rampaging frenzy. “Muslim students all over the school were shouting, ‘Allahu Akbar [God is great],” she said. “The girls surrounded me and began to drag me here and there.”
Leaders of the school’s Muslim Students Society (MSS) came and took over the interrogation from the girls, she said. Rejecting her explanations, they dragged her to the office of the principal, Abdulrahaman Muhammed Isa. He was away at that moment, but the administration officer, Usman Ilo, listened to the charges of blasphemy and ruled that the case was beyond his authority. But the principal, Isa, returned and took over the case.
According to Muhammed, who by then felt that she had been taken captive, the principal, faculty members and students then determined that she was guilty of blasphemy of the prophet of Islam and sentenced her to death by stoning. The students wanted the death sentence executed then at the school, but the principal and teachers argued to have it endorsed by an Islamic (sharia) court.
Muhammed said that some teachers, after a lengthy argument, convinced the students that she should be taken to a sharia court for confirmation of the death sentence. The administration officer, Ilo, was taking her to Muslim authorities in town who would arrange for her to be arraigned before an Islamic court. En route, she escaped and hid in the house of a Christian friend in Sokoto.
The following morning, her friend went to the school to assess the situation: Muslim students learning of her escape had gone on a rampage, burning down the house of the administration officer for allowing her to escape, and Christians living near the school were also attacked. The school was closed down.
That same day, Muhammed learned from her friend, posters with her picture were printed and pasted throughout Sokoto. Muslim militants were posted in strategic spots in the byways and exits of the city. The Islamists declared that she was “wanted.”
“When the situation became unsafe for me, Christians harboring me in Sokoto dressed me like a Muslim woman, covered completely with clothing and hijab (a head covering), and then smuggled me out of the city,” Muhammed said.
Christians took her to her hometown of Zuru, but by then news had reached the town, and Muslims there were also looking for her. She was whisked out of Zuru to Kaduna, where –surprisingly, she said – Muslims were looking for her there too. She had to be moved to her present refuge.
School officials Isa and Ilo were unavailable for comment.
Muhammed said life in seclusion has been devastating. “I have now been here for eight months. I cannot go out anywhere. I feel very lonely. I cannot even go back to my hometown again. It’s terrible.”
She said she last saw her father, Muhammed Lawal, six years ago.
Discrimination at School
Muhammed’s case ignited in an atmosphere of habitual discrimination at the school of nursing.
“We are not allowed to hold Christian programs in the school, and we have been banned from holding worship services or even praying,” she said. “Yet, in this school, Muslim students have all they need to worship Allah. Whether it be mosques or Islamic books, they have all they need.”
Muhammed said that female Christian students are admitted into the school with the intent of encouraging them to marry Muslims. Of the 43 Christian students at the school, only three are male.
“Muslim male students and teachers are always disturbing us,” she said. “They want to marry us, and when we turn down such marriage proposals, they harass and intimidate us. They believe that they are carrying out jihad once they are able to marry us and win us to Islam.”
Monday October 09, 2006
NIGERIA: STUDENT EIGHT MONTHS IN HIDING AFTER ESCAPE FROM STONING
October 9 (Compass Direct News) – Eight months after she escaped from a judgment by officials at a school of nursing she attended in Sokoto to stone her to death for “blasphemy,” Ladi Muhammed is still in hiding.
The 22-year-old Christian woman told Compass from her place of refuge how Muslim students and teachers at the School of Nursing and Midwifery in the northern Nigeria city, capital of Sokoto state, accused her of blaspheming the prophet of Islam after a dispute with a Muslim friend. The accusation led to the students, faculty and administrators condemning her to death by stoning.
The ordeal began when Muhammed’s aunt, Hajiya Mary, phoned her on February 2 at the school. While she was still on the phone, a Muslim friend, Aisha Tambulwal, asked her who had phoned her, and Muhammed excitedly told her that the caller was her aunt.
“While responding to the phone call from my aunt, I addressed her as Hajiya, the name we know her by,” Muhammed said. “My friend became curious and wanted to know what ‘Hajiya’ was to me. I told her she was my mother, because, being an elder sister to my mother, Hajiya was a mother to me. Furthermore, I grew up under her care. And so my Muslim friend asked why was it that I was a Christian while my parents were Muslims.”
Muhammed told her that, though her dad (now living in the United Kingdom) was Muslim, she had come to believe that Jesus Christ was God and the Savior of mankind. Tambulwal became angry and began to insult her.
“You are an infidel – if not, how can your parents be Muslims and you a Christian?” Tambulwal told her. Furious, she asked Muhammed, “How can your parents who are Muslims allow you become an infidel?”
As her parents divorced when she was young, Muhammed grew up with her mother, a Christian still living in Kebbi state, where Muhammed was born in Zuru town. After Muhammed told Tambulwal to stop calling her an infidel, her friend responded with insults and name-calling.
Tambulwal refused to heed her appeals to end the discussion. She insisted that she had to persuade Muhammed to renounce Christ and become a Muslim or else God would hold her accountable for failing to do so.
“She warned me to become a Muslim since my parents were Muslims, and in the same vein, said Christians who are followers of Jesus Christ will all go to hell because they are serving a mere man,” Muhammed said. “At this point, I sought to correct her by explaining to her that the Bible says it is only those who do not believe in Christ that will go to hell.”
Tambulwal began to shout in a rage, and Muhammed walked away from her, she said. Muhammed thought the matter was over. A week later, however, Tambulwal and two other female students – Hadiza Usman and Sadiya Abdullahi Daweh – came to her class and accused her of blasphemy against Muhammad, the prophet of Islam.
“I was surprised, because throughout my discussion with Tambulwal, I never mentioned the name of the prophet,” Muhammed said. “Yet they claimed that I said the prophet was in hell. I assume that because I tried to let her know that it is those who do not believe Jesus Christ that will go to hell that they are using this to accuse me of blasphemy.”
She walked away, but the girls – whom she described as militant Muslims – followed her out of the classroom, and soon much of the student population went into a rampaging frenzy. “Muslim students all over the school were shouting, ‘Allahu Akbar [God is great],” she said. “The girls surrounded me and began to drag me here and there.”
Leaders of the school’s Muslim Students Society (MSS) came and took over the interrogation from the girls, she said. Rejecting her explanations, they dragged her to the office of the principal, Abdulrahaman Muhammed Isa. He was away at that moment, but the administration officer, Usman Ilo, listened to the charges of blasphemy and ruled that the case was beyond his authority. But the principal, Isa, returned and took over the case.
According to Muhammed, who by then felt that she had been taken captive, the principal, faculty members and students then determined that she was guilty of blasphemy of the prophet of Islam and sentenced her to death by stoning. The students wanted the death sentence executed then at the school, but the principal and teachers argued to have it endorsed by an Islamic (sharia) court.
Muhammed said that some teachers, after a lengthy argument, convinced the students that she should be taken to a sharia court for confirmation of the death sentence. The administration officer, Ilo, was taking her to Muslim authorities in town who would arrange for her to be arraigned before an Islamic court. En route, she escaped and hid in the house of a Christian friend in Sokoto.
The following morning, her friend went to the school to assess the situation: Muslim students learning of her escape had gone on a rampage, burning down the house of the administration officer for allowing her to escape, and Christians living near the school were also attacked. The school was closed down.
That same day, Muhammed learned from her friend, posters with her picture were printed and pasted throughout Sokoto. Muslim militants were posted in strategic spots in the byways and exits of the city. The Islamists declared that she was “wanted.”
“When the situation became unsafe for me, Christians harboring me in Sokoto dressed me like a Muslim woman, covered completely with clothing and hijab (a head covering), and then smuggled me out of the city,” Muhammed said.
Christians took her to her hometown of Zuru, but by then news had reached the town, and Muslims there were also looking for her. She was whisked out of Zuru to Kaduna, where –surprisingly, she said – Muslims were looking for her there too. She had to be moved to her present refuge.
School officials Isa and Ilo were unavailable for comment.
Muhammed said life in seclusion has been devastating. “I have now been here for eight months. I cannot go out anywhere. I feel very lonely. I cannot even go back to my hometown again. It’s terrible.”
She said she last saw her father, Muhammed Lawal, six years ago.
Discrimination at School
Muhammed’s case ignited in an atmosphere of habitual discrimination at the school of nursing.
“We are not allowed to hold Christian programs in the school, and we have been banned from holding worship services or even praying,” she said. “Yet, in this school, Muslim students have all they need to worship Allah. Whether it be mosques or Islamic books, they have all they need.”
Muhammed said that female Christian students are admitted into the school with the intent of encouraging them to marry Muslims. Of the 43 Christian students at the school, only three are male.
“Muslim male students and teachers are always disturbing us,” she said. “They want to marry us, and when we turn down such marriage proposals, they harass and intimidate us. They believe that they are carrying out jihad once they are able to marry us and win us to Islam.”
England is going to hell in a hand basket, it's government might want to start taking control of these fanatics. The fanatics are here in Canada also, that is why we must cut this cancer out before It gets to big.
Ok wait..I need to soften my stance...heres what I really want to know
I'll grant there are millions of peaceful muslims in the world. So why don't we hear more from them about how outraged they are that Wahhabiists and their kind have hijacked the religion of peace? Is it beacuse they do and the press just doesnt cover it?
Or is it because their peaceful counter-parts might issue a fatwah for their heads?
I'll grant there are millions of peaceful muslims in the world. So why don't we hear more from them about how outraged they are that Wahhabiists and their kind have hijacked the religion of peace? Is it beacuse they do and the press just doesnt cover it?
Or is it because their peaceful counter-parts might issue a fatwah for their heads?
Instead of blaming Islam, people should blame the policy of the western
governments.
You can not expect to live in peace while invading and occupying other countries and killing thousands of people.
Peace has to come from both sides.
Read what Islam really says on terrorism, http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php
governments.
You can not expect to live in peace while invading and occupying other countries and killing thousands of people.
Peace has to come from both sides.
Read what Islam really says on terrorism, http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php
Its always this arguement, or the "Well they aren't real Muslims" arguement. There sure seems to be a whole ****load of these non-real muslim running amok though, doesn't there?
There have been events for peace held by Muslims; I took part in one of them
You see the problem is that the media doesn’t cover it, it isn’t interesting enough.
Well if they start covering them now, they will say they just started having them because of the shift to the left in power in the U.S.
There have been events for peace held by Muslims; I took part in one of them
You see the problem is that the media doesn’t cover it, it isn’t interesting enough.
Previously, I posted a few links on that matter. Indeed, Islam has strongly criticized terrorism but the Western media has conveniently overlooked that. Interestingly, "Christian" Bush attacked Iraq because he claimed to have been ordered by God to do so. Yet, nowhere in the media is his evil attack and war reported as an example of "Christian" intolerance.
As I said in my Islamophobia thread, there is plenty of reason to criticize all sides in the conflicts between religions. We need Peace in this troubled world and the first step in this process is drop all double standards. Do not condemn one without condemning all. Do not praise one without praising all.
It is time for all sides to treat everyone equally well. Then we will have Peace.
You see the problem is that the media doesn’t cover it, it isn’t interesting enough.
Previously, I posted a few links on that matter. Indeed, Islam has strongly criticized terrorism but the Western media has conveniently overlooked that. Interestingly, "Christian" Bush attacked Iraq because he claimed to have been ordered by God to do so. Yet, nowhere in the media is his evil attack and war reported as an example of "Christian" intolerance.
As I said in my Islamophobia thread, there is plenty of reason to criticize all sides in the conflicts between religions. We need Peace in this troubled world and the first step in this process is drop all double standards. Do not condemn one without condemning all. Do not praise one without praising all.
It is time for all sides to treat everyone equally well. Then we will have Peace.
Something most of us said gopher, you just chose to ignore it.
In some of my very first posts on this site, I stated clearly, 9/11 and all acts of terrorism, were the acts of a sects of, not the whole of Islam.