YES my country. Pakistan is where I was born, but Canada is where I was bred. So I am CANADIAN. I do not consider Pakistan as my country. My parents left that country when I was 2 years old because of lack of opportunities and beacuse of the way the christains are treated there. So curb your ignorance and refrain from making dumb as remarks until you find out the true story.
Islam? Tolerant? Yeah right!
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YES my country. Pakistan is where I was born, but Canada is where I was bred. So I am CANADIAN. I do not consider Pakistan as my country. My parents left that country when I was 2 years old because of lack of opportunities and beacuse of the way the christains are treated there. So curb your ignorance and refrain from making dumb as remarks until you find out the true story.
If you commited treason against Pakistan because of lack of opportunity, you will do the same with "your country" when you find better opportunities elsewhere.
Apart of their religion. Dah, Dah. Doesn't mean they are going to convert to Christianity if they want to maintain freely the veil and other stuff.
Good you agree ITN.
Re: RE: Islam? Tolerant? Ye
Finally along with Tracey's post someone making sme sense and not spouting we hate Muslims BS. So
Daz_Hockey said:
Finally along with Tracey's post someone making sme sense and not spouting we hate Muslims BS. So
Re: RE: Islam? Tolerant? Ye
I can't say I blame you for thinking the way you do, you've been sucking on a political correctness pacifier ever since you could crawl, no doubt.
Islam is an oppressive religion, unless and I stress unless, the people involved are open to democratic principles and Western values. Yep, them *evil* no good Western values.
What are them *evil* Western values, says you? Why not circumcising a woman despite her objections. Not beating up the women because they forgot to cover up every square inch of skin on their bodies. Not sending their female children back to the motherland to be executed because they dared to "assimilate".
Daz_Hockey said:
I can't say I blame you for thinking the way you do, you've been sucking on a political correctness pacifier ever since you could crawl, no doubt.
Islam is an oppressive religion, unless and I stress unless, the people involved are open to democratic principles and Western values. Yep, them *evil* no good Western values.
What are them *evil* Western values, says you? Why not circumcising a woman despite her objections. Not beating up the women because they forgot to cover up every square inch of skin on their bodies. Not sending their female children back to the motherland to be executed because they dared to "assimilate".
Re: RE: Islam? Tolerant? Ye
I've been reading a few blogs from Iraq, and that is not the news.
The news is that unescorted women and improperly attired women are being shot on the street. It seems that not even Zarqawi's death is news.
The women are frightened, very worried, and that's the news I came across. In Texas, a man would put his life on the line to defend his woman. They are doing it every day in Iraq. What is wrong with Iraqi men?
Uncle
I think not said:
I've been reading a few blogs from Iraq, and that is not the news.
The news is that unescorted women and improperly attired women are being shot on the street. It seems that not even Zarqawi's death is news.
The women are frightened, very worried, and that's the news I came across. In Texas, a man would put his life on the line to defend his woman. They are doing it every day in Iraq. What is wrong with Iraqi men?
Uncle
Jersay said:
Jersay, I will say this, from my time in India, it makes me very mad when people like these two, who frankly are making (I dont know who much they earn, but it HAS to be more than most people in persia and the near east asian countries like India and Pakistan, ok, well done for getting out of abject poverty, but dont bag the country that allows you to become rich in comparison.
I hate I really do, most people in india are so poor, but you rarely see them unhappy, but the "rich asians" who've managed to come here, while not all in cahoots with muslim extremists, should take a long look at what they could have been.
nope, I've read some of the Qa'ran, frankly I dont understand how anyone, other than war-like tribes can believe a word of it, Mohammed was a very violent old man, Jesus didnt hurt anyone in his life, the Qa'ran is actually increadibly racist if you read it, and they do have a serious axe to grind with europe
Just a few points I'd like to make here.
I'd seriously considered adopting Islam once when I was in high school while reading the very Qur'an which seems to turn so many off. I actually did not see it as so war mongering but rather quite progressive relatively speaking. The reason I did not accept it in the end was because I thought some of its laws were outdated. That doesn't mean, however, that I cannot understand the potential benefits of such laws for their time in history.
I've also known adoptive Muslims choose to wear the veil. So to make it into an "immigrants and ferriners refusin to similate" issue is rediculous, as it implies that some of those who were born and raised in Canada in non-Muslim families have in fact chosen to "similate" into the Muslim community. So does that make them "ferriners" too, even if they are white and of a WASP family background?
The reason I can see it from that perspective, even if I don't fully agree with it, is because I myself had seriously considered adopting Islam once. I was a pacifist at the time, but willing to consider other options, so I certainly wasn't some warmonger looking for a warlike religion. Yes, I'd read the Qur'an and Holy War stuff in it, but I simply did not see it in the same light as others do; I simply recognized that war is necessary at times, and that pacifism is not always a wise move. And again, seeng that I had no Muslim friends at the time, and most of what I knew about islam was terrorism on the news, how can one say that adopting Islam would be the PC thing to do? Far from it, adopting Islam is about as un-PC as it gets. It had nothing to do with pressure from friends either sinse at that time I had no Muslim friends; I'd merely gone to the school library and picked up a Qur'an after having learnt a little about Islam from my history teacher when studying modern Israel. What I was reading from the Qur'an itself was the only thing drawing me towards it. So if the Qur'an is that militant, then that would make me a psychopath too to actually feel an attraction to it.
I myself have sinse sufferred greatly from Muslim fanaticism. I don't cry often, but have shed many tears as a result of Islamic fanaticism in Canada, along with feeling tremendous pressure to adopt Islam as my religion, again to the point of driving me to tears. My ex had received threats of violence, I'd received much harassement, and others, both men and women, in the local community were pretend Muslims for protective purposes. I'd even had to move cities at one stage to separate myself from such a comunity, and it was a contributing factor to my divorce. All in Canada. And among the harassers was in fact a converted white Muslim Canadian, so let's not make this into a "ferriners fusin to similate" issue. So believe me, I know more about Islamic fanaticism than many in this forum. In fact I'd met many Muslims in Victoria BC before 2001, and may have met Ahmad Ressam, though I can't remember that for sure; but I do remember how many were not so welcomming of me after having asked me sinse when I'd converted to Islam (I, surprised that thy'd even come to the conclusion that I was a Muslim had ansered that I'd never converted to Islam). I also remember hearing various stories of theological conflicts between Muslims in Victoria. In anotehr case in Victoria, during a funeral, one man started spewing out garbage about how if Islam had the bomb, the world would respect it.
Yet when I'd read the Qur'an, I could see nothing of the sort. I'd even read the Qur'an on a number of occasions with pen and paper taking pages upon pages of notes, and categorising various verses according to a wide range of topics. I just don't see the Qur'an in that light, and have a radically different view of Jihad than do most Canadians I suppose.
So this whole thing about Islam being a warmongering religion really depends on one's take on the concept of war and peace. Does one accept Holy war, and under what conditions? What about just war, etc. Certainly a strict pacifist will never respect the Qur'an without changing his opinon of war as being just and even necessary on certain occasion, while also understanding the Qur'an within a historical context in which Islam was in fact under direct military threat during the time of Muhammad. So naturally teh Qur'an must be understood within that context along with the fact taht Pre-Islamic Arabs were truly a brutish and savage people; thus needless to say the Qur'an, while teaching them, would have had to take itself down to a level they could understand.
I'd seriously considered adopting Islam once when I was in high school while reading the very Qur'an which seems to turn so many off. I actually did not see it as so war mongering but rather quite progressive relatively speaking. The reason I did not accept it in the end was because I thought some of its laws were outdated. That doesn't mean, however, that I cannot understand the potential benefits of such laws for their time in history.
I've also known adoptive Muslims choose to wear the veil. So to make it into an "immigrants and ferriners refusin to similate" issue is rediculous, as it implies that some of those who were born and raised in Canada in non-Muslim families have in fact chosen to "similate" into the Muslim community. So does that make them "ferriners" too, even if they are white and of a WASP family background?
The reason I can see it from that perspective, even if I don't fully agree with it, is because I myself had seriously considered adopting Islam once. I was a pacifist at the time, but willing to consider other options, so I certainly wasn't some warmonger looking for a warlike religion. Yes, I'd read the Qur'an and Holy War stuff in it, but I simply did not see it in the same light as others do; I simply recognized that war is necessary at times, and that pacifism is not always a wise move. And again, seeng that I had no Muslim friends at the time, and most of what I knew about islam was terrorism on the news, how can one say that adopting Islam would be the PC thing to do? Far from it, adopting Islam is about as un-PC as it gets. It had nothing to do with pressure from friends either sinse at that time I had no Muslim friends; I'd merely gone to the school library and picked up a Qur'an after having learnt a little about Islam from my history teacher when studying modern Israel. What I was reading from the Qur'an itself was the only thing drawing me towards it. So if the Qur'an is that militant, then that would make me a psychopath too to actually feel an attraction to it.
I myself have sinse sufferred greatly from Muslim fanaticism. I don't cry often, but have shed many tears as a result of Islamic fanaticism in Canada, along with feeling tremendous pressure to adopt Islam as my religion, again to the point of driving me to tears. My ex had received threats of violence, I'd received much harassement, and others, both men and women, in the local community were pretend Muslims for protective purposes. I'd even had to move cities at one stage to separate myself from such a comunity, and it was a contributing factor to my divorce. All in Canada. And among the harassers was in fact a converted white Muslim Canadian, so let's not make this into a "ferriners fusin to similate" issue. So believe me, I know more about Islamic fanaticism than many in this forum. In fact I'd met many Muslims in Victoria BC before 2001, and may have met Ahmad Ressam, though I can't remember that for sure; but I do remember how many were not so welcomming of me after having asked me sinse when I'd converted to Islam (I, surprised that thy'd even come to the conclusion that I was a Muslim had ansered that I'd never converted to Islam). I also remember hearing various stories of theological conflicts between Muslims in Victoria. In anotehr case in Victoria, during a funeral, one man started spewing out garbage about how if Islam had the bomb, the world would respect it.
Yet when I'd read the Qur'an, I could see nothing of the sort. I'd even read the Qur'an on a number of occasions with pen and paper taking pages upon pages of notes, and categorising various verses according to a wide range of topics. I just don't see the Qur'an in that light, and have a radically different view of Jihad than do most Canadians I suppose.
So this whole thing about Islam being a warmongering religion really depends on one's take on the concept of war and peace. Does one accept Holy war, and under what conditions? What about just war, etc. Certainly a strict pacifist will never respect the Qur'an without changing his opinon of war as being just and even necessary on certain occasion, while also understanding the Qur'an within a historical context in which Islam was in fact under direct military threat during the time of Muhammad. So naturally teh Qur'an must be understood within that context along with the fact taht Pre-Islamic Arabs were truly a brutish and savage people; thus needless to say the Qur'an, while teaching them, would have had to take itself down to a level they could understand.
Daz_Hockey said:
Yes they do and you shoud be able to see it (if you are willing to admit it openly and drop the PC crap). Many Muslims, even after 3rd generation, have not adapted to European life. But Europe is to blame also with this multicultural bullshit. They have always considered immigrants as guests, never actually to become part of society.
I think not said:
Yes listen to ITN< he really knows what he is talking about. "They have always considered immigrants as guests".
(Nazi concentration camp)
15th century
Populer 19th century french political party poster.
The water gate of the 19th century, the "Dreyfus affair" concerning a french jewish officer.
1905 pogroms in czarist Russia
France 2004
hmm, must I go on?
I forgot to place "guests" in quotes Finder, but you made my point and thanks. Europe is repeating history. Their political correctness is be the end of them. Even the fringe left in Europe is waking up to that fact.
No, I'm saying Europe needs to find a way to integrate immigrants into their societies. This multicultural bull is precisely that. It is intentional by the elites to keep the lily white populous so up their asses in political correctness, they have nothing else to think about.
I think not said:
Wow thats pretty convoluted, that you believe it is the elites who wish society to believe in multi-cultualism.
I have a feeling if we had the internet 50 years ago you'd be one of those people who would be against white/black interagration in the south and believe in racist belief back then of "seperate but equal".
Also lately if you havn't noticed the new P.C. is to be anti-P.C. I mean you hell who cares about the enviroment these days, hey it takes too much time and effort, it costs the companies money to be enviromentally friendly and thus they bring the cost back to the consumers thus we stop demending these kinds of things and the government notices this and they start to go back on enviromental dessions like Kyoto.
Then it's like hey look we were attacked by Islamist extremists, lets get all nuts.. Wait they come from Saudie Arbia lets not get thats nuts lets attack a country which has nothing to do with islamist extremists... lets attack IRAQ! Which actually brought islamic extremism to Iraq and increased it ten fold.
Oh wait thats not enough lets start talking about how bad all Islam is compaired to our nice shinny Christian values and lets dumb on multi-cultualism and blame it for terrorism. Yeah right whatever, ever think it's intolerance which is one of the many causes of terrorism. I don't think muslom extremists sit around the camp fire and say "man it really burns me that Canada/Europe whatever, respect our culture. Damnit lets blow them up!"
No terrorism is a complicated reaction to geo-political policies by many of these counties and some of the middle eastern counties themselves. Blaming Terroism at all on multi-cultalism is something I'd expect from the extreme fringes of the right.
Who gives phuck what you feel I would be doing Finder, it is those who promote this mutlicultural bullshit that are the real racists, exactly what you said, "separate" but "equal". My foot!
Either integrate or go the phuck back where you came from and that's precisely what Europe has been doing lately.
Either integrate or go the phuck back where you came from and that's precisely what Europe has been doing lately.