Jesus camp in USA
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Re: RE: Jesus camp in USA
There's no way you could be serious when you say that is there? I'm sure you think heaven is full of white clouds and white angels flying around and hell is full of lava rivers and fire right? :roll: .
Also, what do you mean by you're "serving" either God or Satan? Do you not live your own life? I would hope so. If you believe in stuff like that, then i'm sure you think "the end of the world" is going to happen too right? All of a sudden one day it's gonna happen, BOOM...time to pack it in, the big chief is going to come and judge us all? Existance will be no more?
On a more serious note, the only way humankind will cease to exist is if something hits our planet. In a logical realistical kind of way, that's probably a safer bet! 8)
Proud American said:
There's no way you could be serious when you say that is there? I'm sure you think heaven is full of white clouds and white angels flying around and hell is full of lava rivers and fire right? :roll: .
Also, what do you mean by you're "serving" either God or Satan? Do you not live your own life? I would hope so. If you believe in stuff like that, then i'm sure you think "the end of the world" is going to happen too right? All of a sudden one day it's gonna happen, BOOM...time to pack it in, the big chief is going to come and judge us all? Existance will be no more?
On a more serious note, the only way humankind will cease to exist is if something hits our planet. In a logical realistical kind of way, that's probably a safer bet! 8)
feronia said:
I thought so. That is why when I saved it to my quotes text file I put 'feronia' underneath it with a link to the page. Really, it sits there amid a few down from one of Ghandi.
Re: RE: Jesus camp in USA
Well I was trying very hard to make sense of why you would ask a silly questions.
Fury and anger?? Must be Satan's evil doing? :dontknow: mwahahaha
For real though, i don't think anybody on this board is furious and angry. There's just a little bit of comedy going on that's all.
As for knowing what's good for me, I seriously can think for myself. I face reality on a daily basis. Unlike some people.
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Chukcha said:Take it easy, take a slow breath, in and out, in and out, continue for five minutes, and read my post again. Sorry, my English might be a bit crappy, what can I do, I am trying very hardescrayzee said:
You're blocking your brain waves with fury and anger, it's not good for you. :wave:
Well I was trying very hard to make sense of why you would ask a silly questions.
Fury and anger?? Must be Satan's evil doing? :dontknow: mwahahaha
For real though, i don't think anybody on this board is furious and angry. There's just a little bit of comedy going on that's all.
As for knowing what's good for me, I seriously can think for myself. I face reality on a daily basis. Unlike some people.
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Re: RE: Jesus camp in USA
No. Morality exists without religion.
My explanation? Think of it this way. Humans are social animals, we need to get along to survive. If we all killed eachother at whim, we would soon be extinct. Evolution has selected for co-operation with other humans (for the most part), not for those who murder (which I assume is what you mean when you say life is meaningless & laws mean nothing). So humans can respect the rule of law, and have value for life, without religion. But since some selfishness will in some cases benefit a person, there is still some selfishness today, both with religious & non-religious people. Or just look at other animals, you will find that, while they may occasionally kill eachother, they work together for the most part within a species. I think most people would agree that animals are not religious (at least not in the same way as humans).
CDNBear said:
No. Morality exists without religion.
My explanation? Think of it this way. Humans are social animals, we need to get along to survive. If we all killed eachother at whim, we would soon be extinct. Evolution has selected for co-operation with other humans (for the most part), not for those who murder (which I assume is what you mean when you say life is meaningless & laws mean nothing). So humans can respect the rule of law, and have value for life, without religion. But since some selfishness will in some cases benefit a person, there is still some selfishness today, both with religious & non-religious people. Or just look at other animals, you will find that, while they may occasionally kill eachother, they work together for the most part within a species. I think most people would agree that animals are not religious (at least not in the same way as humans).
Re: RE: Jesus camp in USA
I don't understand the sweeping generalizations. I've been to a muslim country (Turkey) and wasn't stoned (got a little drunk, but never stoned). Most of the Turkish women showed more skin that I do. Many muslim nations have fairly large religious minority groups (like in Malaysia or Indonesia). One country with one of the world's largest population of muslims has more diversity than Canada or the US in terms of religion, language, etc (India). Islam doesn't have to mean Taliban style societies.
Sassylassie said:
I don't understand the sweeping generalizations. I've been to a muslim country (Turkey) and wasn't stoned (got a little drunk, but never stoned
). Most of the Turkish women showed more skin that I do. Many muslim nations have fairly large religious minority groups (like in Malaysia or Indonesia). One country with one of the world's largest population of muslims has more diversity than Canada or the US in terms of religion, language, etc (India). Islam doesn't have to mean Taliban style societies.
Tracy - talk about "sweeping generalizations" yourself.
You were but one female on vacation.
Do you think the whole middle east behaves according to what you witnessed at one time as one female?
The reality is we in the west do not hear or are made aware of what goes on in homes of devout worship of Islam and their dictates towards the conduct and treatment of women.
We don't make up these things - they are being told to us by those women who have come to the west and fled the experiences.
Especially women who have had daughters and do not want them to have to go through the same life trauma.
You were but one female on vacation.
Do you think the whole middle east behaves according to what you witnessed at one time as one female?
The reality is we in the west do not hear or are made aware of what goes on in homes of devout worship of Islam and their dictates towards the conduct and treatment of women.
We don't make up these things - they are being told to us by those women who have come to the west and fled the experiences.
Especially women who have had daughters and do not want them to have to go through the same life trauma.
Yes, I was but one female on vacation. Turkey is a popular vacation spot for lots of females like me, but no, I wasn't making a sweeping generalization. I specifically shared only my experience to point out that muslim nations aren't all the same. I went there to visit my friend (another female) who lived there for a year as an exchange student the same year I spent in the Czech Rep. It was one of the coolest places I've ever been btw. I didn't know that Turkey has more Greek ruins than Greece.
Yes, there are serious problems in some countries with the treatment of women. No one is saying there aren't. But that isn't all there is either.
I'm just pointing out that all muslim countries are not taliban style theocracies. I don't see the problem with that.
Yeah, Turkey seems to be exceptionally tolerant. I've never been, but I know Muslims, Christians, and Jews all live there in relative peace.
Mind you, Turkey is a secular nation, and it is EXCEPTIONAL in its tolerance.
It is, after all, standing on the doorstep of the European Union........
You can't judge Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia et. al. from what you saw in Turkey, IMHO.
BTW, just saw a blurb on CTV News on Jesus Camp. Slightly over the edge, this bunch, but hardly dangerous.......didn't see an explosive belt or a beheading sword in the place.
AND, of course, they weren't "worshiping" GWB, they were blessing him.
BIG difference.
Definitely NOT a place to send your kids, however.
I get the feeling that if they were blessing a picture of Chomsky, attending pro-choice rallies, and taking lessons on how the evil GOP blew up the WTC, and were training to be "soldiers of truth" Logic 7 style, his protests would all disappear........
EXACTLY what I was trying to say. So by extension, you can't judge all muslim countries by Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia et. al. Islamic countries (meaning countries where the majority of the population are muslim) are very diverse. Morrocco is not Iran, Iran is not Sudan, Sudan is not Indonesia, Indonesia is not Bharain, Bharain is not Jordan, Jordan is not Turkey, Turkey is not the UAE, the UAE is not Pakistan, Pakistan is not Lebanon... Muslim countries differ tremendously in their cultures, races, languages, governments, etc.
I'm sure you'll tell me if I'm wrong but I think what your trying to say all the way around is that extremist do not mirror the original group they are just a splinter and do not represent the whole picture. For example just because a small percentage of Catholic Priests are pedophiles does not mean they all are. Nor does it mean that a man in jail that calls himself a Pagan and killed another man mean that all Pagans are killers. Extremist serve no one.
And!!! it's being criticised and suppressed by those other muslim countries. Turkey is not respected in their point of view for being true muslims.
I don't even profess the Christian faith myself and know this. This is basic English. tongue in archaic and classical English is just another word for language. Now as for Satan, nah, it was fdefinitely the congregants exercising their vocal cords.