Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period

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It gets crazier, and this is not from the Onion or the Babylon Bee or even the Beaverton:

President Trump on Monday demanded reparations from Iran for those who have died amid the conflict, after Tehran called for compensation for damages.

“I see that Representatives of the Islamic Republic of Iran are asking for compensation for the damage done to them during the last five month Military Conflict (started because, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON), even though it was never mentioned in any of our negotiations or meetings!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

The president called it an “interesting idea” and said he would start “demanding compensation from Iran, for all of the people that they have killed and gravely wounded with their roadside bombs and many conflicts.”

He said the compensation would cover those killed in the USS Cole attack in October 2000, among others.

Trump also said compensation should be given to the families of the protesters who were killed in Iran “over the last 50 years, not to mention the 52,000 that have been killed in the last five months.”

The president said that, moving forward, the compensation requirement will be added to negotiations.
The USS Cole bombing on October 12, 2000, was a suicide attack carried out by members of the al-Qaeda terrorist network. Al-Qaeda was never a formal proxy or ideological client of Iran, but the two have a documented history of tactical, pragmatic cooperation and logistical accommodation facilitated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Iranian intelligence. Despite deep theological divides between Shia Iran and Sunni extremist al-Qaeda, they found common cause in opposing the United States.
Huh…with this twist, Trump might want Iran to pay for 9/11 and if they don’t, he’ll tariff them. It’s getting harder to tell satire from some version of reality in this goat rodeo.
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So now is Iran going to demand compensation and reparations for the term between 1953 and 1979 where the U.S. CIA and British intelligence orchestrated the 1953 coup and installed their own chosen leader to govern Iran for that quarter of a century? Isn’t there some kind of statute of limitations on this?
There wont be a deal until Israel is out of Gaza according to unfiltered news from non US or Israel outlets.
 

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There wont be a deal until Israel is out of Gaza according to unfiltered news from non US or Israel outlets.
At this point, there just won’t be a deal. Iran blocked the Strait of Hormuz, & Trump blockades the blockade and then declares that the Strait is open. Iran declares that without reparations for this war, there will be no end and no peace, and Trump trumps their reparations demand with his own reparations demand…including for entities not directly affiliated with Iran, insisting that he will bring this up at any future negotiation as one of America’s red lines?

Tomorrow is Tuesday so anything can happen, but…this reparations claim by Trump is his newest toy to play with so he probably won’t get bored with it for a while…

Does this sound like they’re close to a peace arrangement of some type? Does it sound like they’re close to anything that they will agree upon? Is Israel involved in the decision-making process the negotiations or lack there of between America Trump and Iran the IRGC? Are the IRGC’s proxies at the table either? Are America and Iran, or representatives of Trump and the IRGC even at the same table? Involved in the same conversations even?

Iran is Trumps baby at this point in a “you broke it so you bought it” sorta thing, & Irans proxies like America’s proxy Israel are their own conflicts at this point, with America’s hands being full already. The Genie is out’a the bottle, and I assumed that Israel would be gone before the Sunni/Shiite alliances would boil up militarily (currently as “defence agreements”) so I’m wrong on that front.

Without nuking Iran, Trump isn’t going to prevent Iran from doing whatever it wants on the nuclear front, so Saudi Arabia is going to end up with nukes also from somebody (and the Saudi’s pockets are deep), & thus the half assed rushed agreement that was beyond rushed to have America be the nuclear benefactor for Saudi Arabia before somebody else stepped into that role. The whole thing is just a patchwork of reaction after reaction. I can picture Pakistan being Saudi Arabia’s nuclear benefactor in the next few years to come.

Trump has his hands full with Iran and American domestic politics and his own aspirations for the Western hemisphere. Lebanon and Israel together will have to sort out the Hezbollah situation without having Lebanon fall into another Civil War like it did previously due to the PLO. Saudi Arabia and Egypt (different ends of the Red Sea) with the actual Yemen Gov’t will have to sort out the Houthis, and that leaves Jared Kushner and Greta Thunberg to sort out Hamas (& Friends) along with Trumps retirement plan Bored of Peace. That’s from the outside looking in at this dogs breakfast.

On that note, Sunni’s are what? 85%+ of Muslims and Twelver Shiites are 10%+ so Iran as the rally caller for the entire Muslim religion is a hard one for much of the Middle East to swallow in all honesty, again from the outside looking in. Shiites (like Jews) are in the minority though with a different flavour than the Sunni’s, they’re on team Allah.

Now this is coming from the non-religious guy, but the “defence agreement” between these three bigger Sunni predominant sovereign nations, with a likely possible fourth being Egypt and a fifth being Qatar and the sixth being Kuwait before others climb on board…yes they’ll be equally against the outsiders in the neighbourhood be they Shiites or Jews, so it will continue to be interesting. It’s gonna come down to “who’s first” and who can play well comparatively with the Sunni alliance.

…and yes, the Palestinians are…predominantly Sunni. I’m sure that hasn’t escaped Israeli notice, just to throw you a bone there.😉 I doubt there will be a “Palestine” though because if there was going to be one, it would’ve already happened before Jordan outright annexed what they termed the West Bank, etc…
Which circles us back to the “Palestinians.”

Jordan doesn’t want any more of them. They’ve got their share and they’ve learned their lesson, and the same with Egypt. The PLO was instrumental in the cause of the Lebanon Civil War, and Syria just changed governments and directions and punted Hezbollah sideways over into Lebanon. Kuwait evicted about 20% of their population (the Palestinian 1/5th) after the Iraq war, so beyond lip service there is not a lot of love lost there.

Turkey is still playing footsie with Hamas (& friends) for street cred, but in a short order, they won’t have to anymore…& they (Turkey) can be buddy-buddy with the big dog Sunni actual nations in their pact without opening their borders to destabilizing entities like…Palestinians. It will be interesting to watch this play out in the next couple years.
 

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Hormuz to stay closed unless US meets Iran's conditions, Iran official says as TRUMP CALLS FOR COMPENSATION for the last 1/2 century?
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Six people have been killed and 10 injured in strikes by Yemen's Iran-backed Houthis on a cargo ship in the Red Sea, the internationally recognized government of Yemen has said. Yemen's coastguard later said a second deadly missile strike targeted rescuers who tried to evacuate the ship. Social media images examined by BBC Verify appear to show a damaged cargo ship in the Bab al-Mandab Strait, which sits at the inlet of the Red Sea, off the coast of Yemen.

Close-up pictures show the vessel is named Tihamah which, according to ship-tracking platform MarineTraffic, is in the Red Sea off Warner Point. Vanguard has identified the ship as sailing under the flag of Tanzania, while shipping website MarineTraffic says it is owned by an Egyptian operator.
 

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Hormuz to stay closed unless US meets Iran's conditions, Iran official says as TRUMP CALLS FOR COMPENSATION for the last 1/2 century?
We have total control over the Hormuz Strait right now,”
said Trump. “They (Iran) don’t have control. We have control. We own it.” Trump has previously stated that the Strait of Hormuz is “open,” while claiming that the U.S. Navy has swept the waterway for mines and is on control of it, despite shipping data not backing that claim up, CNN reported.
(YouTube & U.S. fires on ship breaking its blockage of Iranian ports: ‘No one is in control’ of Hormuz)

His claims of owning the Strait of Hormuz come after Iran said it would not reopen the waterway until the U.S. met several conditions, which include war reparations and ending sanctions, per Al Jazeera.
 

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It gets crazier, and this is not from the Onion or the Babylon Bee or even the Beaverton:

President Trump on Monday demanded reparations from Iran for those who have died amid the conflict, after Tehran called for compensation for damages.

“I see that Representatives of the Islamic Republic of Iran are asking for compensation for the damage done to them during the last five month Military Conflict (started because, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON), even though it was never mentioned in any of our negotiations or meetings!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

The president called it an “interesting idea” and said he would start “demanding compensation from Iran, for all of the people that they have killed and gravely wounded with their roadside bombs and many conflicts.”

He said the compensation would cover those killed in the USS Cole attack in October 2000, among others.

Trump also said compensation should be given to the families of the protesters who were killed in Iran “over the last 50 years, not to mention the 52,000 that have been killed in the last five months.”

The president said that, moving forward, the compensation requirement will be added to negotiations.
The USS Cole bombing on October 12, 2000, was a suicide attack carried out by members of the al-Qaeda terrorist network. Al-Qaeda was never a formal proxy or ideological client of Iran, but the two have a documented history of tactical, pragmatic cooperation and logistical accommodation facilitated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Iranian intelligence. Despite deep theological divides between Shia Iran and Sunni extremist al-Qaeda, they found common cause in opposing the United States.
Huh…with this twist, Trump might want Iran to pay for 9/11 and if they don’t, he’ll tariff them. It’s getting harder to tell satire from some version of reality in this goat rodeo.
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So now is Iran going to demand compensation and reparations for the term between 1953 and 1979 where the U.S. CIA and British intelligence orchestrated the 1953 coup and installed their own chosen leader to govern Iran for that quarter of a century? Isn’t there some kind of statute of limitations on this?
Isn't that called tit for tat? 🤣
 

Ron in Regina

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Isn't that called tit for tat? 🤣
Tit for tat, going back 50 years when the IRGC (runs Iran since 1979) didn’t even exist, probably doesn’t help with peace negotiations. The Iranian government has done enough shitty shit on their own without having to blame them for the USS Cole either, that was done by Al-Qaeda, so that’s probably not gonna help much either but it makes for a good sound bite I guess.
 

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The Lincoln has been deployed for more than 250 days and it hasn’t made a port call in 200 days, setting a record for consecutive days at sea. There have been widespread reports of shortages of basic supplies, water contamination, plumbing issues, deteriorating mental health, deck safety concerns, and disruptions in the mail system, which have caused many care packages in route to the ship to be lost in transit for months with sailors running out of toothpaste and soap.
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Beijing is controlling global oil flow by acting as the ultimate "swing buyer", slashing its seaborne crude imports by millions of barrels per day during Middle Eastern supply shocks while drawing down its massive 1.4-billion-barrel strategic reserve. This intentional demand reduction offsets global shortages, keeping prices stable while giving China immense market leverage.
(YouTube & How China Prepared For A Global Oil Shock And Why Xi Jinping’s Strategy Is Now Paying Off)
Washington is betting that time and economic pain will bring Iran back to the table on manageable terms. Tehran’s response has been to raise the price of a deal and place a former Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps commander at the head of its top security council. The question is no longer whether Iran wants concessions. It is who in Tehran is authorized to accept less than a settlement Washington cannot give.
In an interview with PBS NewsHour, Mohammad Reza Naqdi said, “We have to attain deterrence so that the enemy never dares to attack us, so we can live with security.”

“One way is to prolong this war until we get to the next term of the presidency and cause attrition, so that if anyone else wants to attack Iran, they will know there is a cost,” said Naqdi.
In theory and by constitutional law, President Donald Trump’s last day in office is January 20, 2029. Under the Twenty-second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a person can be elected to the presidency only twice, and his current second term legally expires at 12:00 PM on Inauguration Day.

If a war (or whatever it’s called at this point) with Iran lasted over three years, the American public (along with the rest of the globe) would face severe economic strain, deep political division, and profound social fatigue. Citizens would experience high inflation, energy shortages, and regular military deployments of active-duty and reserve American military personnel.
 

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said Trump. “They (Iran) don’t have control. We have control. We own it.” Trump has previously stated that the Strait of Hormuz is “open,” while claiming that the U.S. Navy has swept the waterway for mines and is on control of it, despite shipping data not backing that claim up, CNN reported.
Global economists have forecast a sharp drop in global growth as a result of the war, and potentially a swing into recession in some areas, warning that the impact will grow if the war is not ended soon.
 

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Global economists have forecast a sharp drop in global growth as a result of the war, and potentially a swing into recession in some areas, warning that the impact will grow if the war is not ended soon.
All because of 1 psychopath's wet dream.

I hope he gets buttfucked but good in prison.
 

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All because of 1 psychopath's wet dream.

I hope he gets buttfucked but good in prison.
Anyway, back to this globally catastrophic economic dumpster fire pissing match of negotiations, United States President Donald Trump stated on Friday, August 14, 2026, that he plans to declare the Strait of Hormuz a territory of the United States after the conflict with Iran concludes.

Surprisingly, Iranian officials strongly rejected the statement, with Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi stating that the strait "has been Iranian, is Iranian, and will remain Iranian".
The U.S. did control the Panama Canal for nearly a century, acquiring the waterway through the Hay-Bunau-Varilla treaty, rather than through a war. The country eventually ceded full control to Panama on Dec. 31, 1999.

Trump also acknowledged on Friday that the conflict — particularly the steep decline in shipping traffic through the narrow Middle East waterway — had led to higher prices for a range of consumer goods, including gasoline.

“For you to pay a tiny little bit more for your gasoline, just remember you’re doing it so that a very evil country cannot have a nuclear weapon,” Trump said. “Remember when you have to pay a little bit more, you’re paying $4 — I’ll never apologize.” he added.
President Donald Trump is under increasing pressure from members of his party to find a way out of the Iran war, with the midterms on the horizon and Republican voters souring on a conflict that he once predicted would last just a handful of weeks.
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Trump has alternated between threats and diplomatic overtures to get the job done, but the war is now approaching six months with no end in sight. Election Day is less than three months away, and the administration has resorted to insisting that the fundamentals of the economy are strong.
 

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If Oman gets in the way, we’ll bomb the shit out of them,” Trump told Fox News on Monday, the second time he has directed such a threat at Muscat, a longtime US strategic partner that has traditionally served as a key backchannel between Washington and Tehran.
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The US president delivered the threat as he struggles to draw the conflict to a conclusion, almost six months after it was launched, and as a diplomatic window agreed with Tehran ran out with no final agreement in sight. But Trump also claimed during Monday’s interview that he is “not in a hurry” to reach a deal.

In the same interview, Trump said Iran should “put up the white flag of surrender”, but signaled he was not about to impose a fresh deadline on Tehran. “I have no time schedule. I’m not in a hurry,” he said.
Trump also dismissed concerns that Washington’s own arsenal was being depleted by nearly six months of fighting, telling Fox News that what the US had expended against Iran so far is “peanuts”.
 

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If Oman gets in the way, we’ll bomb the shit out of them,” Trump told Fox News on Monday, the second time he has directed such a threat at Muscat, a longtime US strategic partner that has traditionally served as a key backchannel between Washington and Tehran.
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The US president delivered the threat as he struggles to draw the conflict to a conclusion, almost six months after it was launched, and as a diplomatic window agreed with Tehran ran out with no final agreement in sight. But Trump also claimed during Monday’s interview that he is “not in a hurry” to reach a deal.

In the same interview, Trump said Iran should “put up the white flag of surrender”, but signaled he was not about to impose a fresh deadline on Tehran. “I have no time schedule. I’m not in a hurry,” he said.
Trump also dismissed concerns that Washington’s own arsenal was being depleted by nearly six months of fighting, telling Fox News that what the US had expended against Iran so far is “peanuts”.
Deliberate disinformation.
 

Ron in Regina

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Deliberate disinformation.
Yeah, probably, or outright lies. The thing is with the Trump administration where does one stop on the other start? Thankfully Trump claims he has all the time in the world, I guess, as Iran has decided to shift its policy from defensive to "fully offensive" due to the deadlock in efforts to agree a permanent end to its war with the United States, a senior Iranian official told Reuters on Monday.
There was no immediate response to those comments from Washington, but U.S. President Donald Trump said in a phone interview with Fox News on Monday that Iran "should put up the white flag of surrender". Throughout the conflict, Trump has alternated between threats of escalation and assertions that a ⁠peace deal is imminent.
 

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Throughout the conflict, Trump has alternated between threats of escalation and assertions that a ⁠peace deal is imminent.
The prospects for something like peace in the Middle East suffered a fresh setback, with U.S. President Donald Trump saying he’s not interested in extending the expiring agreement with Iran and fighting flaring anew in Lebanon.

Asked whether he would seek an extension of the memorandum of understanding — where neither side understood what the other side was asking for — signed in June — which technically expires Monday — Trump told reporters, “No.” That truce was meant to give Washington and Tehran a window to demand each others capitulation within 60 days, which it did, but neither side could agree who should capitulate to whom.

Tensions over the Strait of Hormuz have sparked flare-ups in hostilities, multiple fronts have created a tinderbox across the Middle East, and there’s been no movement on addressing Iran’s nuclear capabilities that eventually became Trump’s stated primary objective after a regime change obviously wasn’t going to happen for the strikes from late February.

Still, Trump insisted on Monday that the U.S. had leverage over Iran, citing the naval blockade of Iranian ports. He repeated his idea of declaring the waterway an American territory, insisting the U.S. retained total control — remarks unsurprisingly directly at odds with Iranian officials who insist on managing flows through the strait, etc…
 

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Netanyahu's babbling about Turkey Backfired

BTW this has nothing to do with Iran. Expect the 3 demand Israel to GTFO of Palestine ASAP, Hamas to disarm and disband and Palestine becoming a member with a legit military and kiss the Abraham Accord goodbye.

August 7, 2026, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan signed the historic Mecca Joint Defence Agreement in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The trilateral pact stipulates that an armed attack against any one of the three nations will be considered an attack against all of them, establishing a collective defense framework similar to NATO's Article 5.


Key Elements of the Agreement
    • Collective Security: An attack on one member binds the others to respond, aiming to boost regional deterrence.
    • Strategic Coordination: High-level political and military mechanisms are set to group defense ministers, foreign ministers, and armed forces commanders.
    • Joint Military Exercises: Plans include combined land, naval, air, and air-defense drills, as well as cooperation involving unmanned autonomous systems.
    • Defense Industry Integration: Focuses on joint development, production, technology sharing, and logistics in areas like artificial intelligence and electronic warfare.

      Context and Implications
    • Regional Tensions: Formulated amid rising instability involving regional actors and fallout from conflicts with Iran and regional proxies, the pact offers Saudi Arabia an extra layer of security alongside its Western ties.
    • Combined Power: The alliance bridges distinct regional military heavyweights: Turkey (holding NATO's second-largest army), Pakistan (a nuclear-armed state with battle-tested forces), and Saudi Arabia (a leading global energy exporter).
    • Potential Expansion: The signatories have indicated that the framework is open to potential future inclusion of other regional states, such as Egypt.
 

Ron in Regina

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Saudi Arabia and Egypt (different ends of the Red Sea) with the actual Yemen Gov’t will have to sort out the Houthis…
August 7, 2026, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan signed the historic Mecca Joint Defence Agreement in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
So, since this Mecca defence agreement, how many times have the Houthis militarily attacked Saudi Arabia? A few? Maybe the defence agreement members are still planning a reaction…or waiting on Egypt to sign up? The Yemen actual gov’t? It’ll be interesting.
Expect the 3 demand Israel to GTFO of Palestine ASAP, Hamas to disarm and disband and Palestine becoming a member with a legit military and kiss the Abraham Accord goodbye.
Ok. When/if this defence agreement’s members react to Houthi’s actually attacking one of them…what will Hamas do if anything (?) and how will this defence agreement coalition react to that?🤔. The enemy of an enemy isn’t necessarily a friend but…etc…
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The trilateral pact stipulates that an armed attack against any one of the three nations will be considered an attack against all of them, establishing a collective defense framework similar to NATO's Article 5
Might be time to microwave some popcorn.