Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period

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Wow…really?
Yes really. I have yet too hear it framed otherwise and everything I say being framed as anti-Semitic or evil JOOOOOOZ.

Why does call to prayer in Regina put a bee in your bonnet while daily Church bells peeling from 12th and Ottawa don't as an example.

Read my new post to understand the who and how these ideologies got put in your head.
 

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Why does call to prayer in Regina put a bee in your bonnet while daily Church bells peeling from 12th and Ottawa don't as an example.
It’s follow up to comments earlier in that same thread, about Regina, in a thread about Regina. The city who’s name rhymes with fun, etc…

Anyway, Iran says it has reached an agreement with Oman on a route for shipping through the Strait of Hormuz. Foreign ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baqaei did not give any further details on the agreement, which he said was "in the final stages".
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Baqaei warned, however, that a deal with Oman would not guarantee safe navigation through the strait, arguing security remained impacted by the US blockade of Iran's ports. The US and Oman have not commented on the proposal.
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“On Tuesday, US President Donald Trump warned that Iran would be "hit very hard" if the strait did not open "very soon". His comments came after senior US officials said talks had progressed to allow shipments to potentially resume later this week, though Iran has maintained that it is not negotiating with the US and has no plans to do so.”
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“Reopening the strait has been a key point in discussions between the two countries and mediators.
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In his statement, the Iranian foreign ministry spokesman said the "geographical coordinates of the route" had been agreed with Oman. “The factors making the Strait of Hormuz insecure still exist on the part of the United States, particularly the naval blockade and other aggressive and threatening actions against Iran and its interests," he said, according to Iran's official Irna news agency.
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Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi later told Irna the new route would be temporary and could stay open from two to four months. He did not give further details. Since the beginning of the war, traffic through the strait has dwindled. Iran has said all passage needs to be cleared beforehand - and it has attacked vessels which have ignored the order.

One of the main points of disagreement between Tehran and Washington has been Iran's threat to impose a fee on vessels wishing to cross the strait. Iran is seeking fees of between 5% and 7% of the price of cargoes from ships using the strait, according to a senior Iranian official cited by Reuters. Oman is discussing fees of around 3%, while Washington wants no fees at all.
Once Iran, be it for the next couple months or the next couple years or indefinitely, normalizes its control over the Strait of Hormuz, controlling who can enter and exit the Gulf, how many American warships or other military vessels do you think Iran is going to allow in and out of there?

The United States operates approximately 11 to 13 major military bases and dual-use host facilities directly in and around the Persian Gulf (often referred to regionally as the Arabian Gulf). This footprint forms the core concentration of the broader network of roughly 19 U.S. military sites across the Middle East. Would naval access be completely cut off to America of these above bases?
 

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It’s follow up to comments earlier in that same thread, about Regina, in a thread about Regina. The city who’s name rhymes with fun, etc…
Uhhhhhh huuuuh.
Anyway, Iran says it has reached an agreement with Oman on a route for shipping through the Strait of Hormuz. Foreign ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baqaei did not give any further details on the agreement, which he said was "in the final stages".
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Baqaei warned, however, that a deal with Oman would not guarantee safe navigation through the strait, arguing security remained impacted by the US blockade of Iran's ports. The US and Oman have not commented on the proposal.
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“On Tuesday, US President Donald Trump warned that Iran would be "hit very hard" if the strait did not open "very soon". His comments came after senior US officials said talks had progressed to allow shipments to potentially resume later this week, though Iran has maintained that it is not negotiating with the US and has no plans to do so.”
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“Reopening the strait has been a key point in discussions between the two countries and mediators.
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In his statement, the Iranian foreign ministry spokesman said the "geographical coordinates of the route" had been agreed with Oman. “The factors making the Strait of Hormuz insecure still exist on the part of the United States, particularly the naval blockade and other aggressive and threatening actions against Iran and its interests," he said, according to Iran's official Irna news agency.
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Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi later told Irna the new route would be temporary and could stay open from two to four months. He did not give further details. Since the beginning of the war, traffic through the strait has dwindled. Iran has said all passage needs to be cleared beforehand - and it has attacked vessels which have ignored the order.

One of the main points of disagreement between Tehran and Washington has been Iran's threat to impose a fee on vessels wishing to cross the strait. Iran is seeking fees of between 5% and 7% of the price of cargoes from ships using the strait, according to a senior Iranian official cited by Reuters. Oman is discussing fees of around 3%, while Washington wants no fees at all.
Once Iran, be it for the next couple months or the next couple years or indefinitely, normalizes its control over the Strait of Hormuz, controlling who can enter and exit the Gulf, how many American warships or other military vessels do you think Iran is going to allow in and out of there?

The United States operates approximately 11 to 13 major military bases and dual-use host facilities directly in and around the Persian Gulf (often referred to regionally as the Arabian Gulf). This footprint forms the core concentration of the broader network of roughly 19 U.S. military sites across the Middle East. Would naval access be completely cut off to America of these above bases?
US&A has no ammo. They are down to 20%.

Iran who became self-reliant on themselves can crank out 200 ballistic missiles per-month. US&A can only crank out Patriots at half he rate.

THAAD, it gets worse.

Iran won and America and Israel's ass have never even more exposed.

Was it worth a Netjob's wet dream?
 
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A U.S. official on Friday reported progress between Iran and Oman that could soon reopen the Strait of Hormuz, potentially restoring oil exports that have been disrupted by the five-month-old U.S. war with Iran.

The U.S. official, who declined to be identified, said Washington anticipated ‌an agreement soon between the two countries, which sit on either side of the strait, so that “normal”(?) oil traffic could resume. A deal between Iran and Oman over control of the strategic waterway is seen as crucial to a wider peace agreement🤔.

"There is progress between Oman and Iran on the strait, and we expect a deal soon," a U.S. official told Reuters on Friday. "Once the deal is announced to restore commercial shipping without impediments(?), the United States will lift the blockade of Iranian ports."
Alarmed at a regional conflagration that has brought Iranian missile fire onto Gulf oil exporters, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey signed a joint defense agreement in Mecca on Friday.
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The pact among three U.S. allies with majority ‌Sunni Muslim ⁠populations is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all, the countries said in a statement.
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The suspension of diplomatic relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran is the latest step in a war of influence that the two rival powers have maintained in the Middle East for decades. Their antagonism has its roots in the division between the two major currents of Islam, Sunni and Shiite, but that could just be a coincidence. Turkey said the agreement was not aimed at any specific country😉 and was purely defensive. But it comes at a time of heightened tensions with Shi'ite-majority Iran😳.

Meanwhile, the U.S. has been trying to broker an end to fighting on another front of the war between Israel and Iranian-backed Shi'ite group Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, but that’s potentially a separate but related (to Iran) situation.
America’s Middle Eastern allies are contending with a new reality. One in which Iran, whatever ceasefire or arrangement is reached to end the current war, will pose a growing and persistent threat. Iran has learned that its drones and missiles afford it massive leverage to blackmail or otherwise attack regional targets. Nations like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the UAE, and Kuwait are most concerned with future Iranian attacks on their ports and energy plants.
Conventional interceptors can’t fill this gap. They are too few in supply, with supply bottlenecks restricting future resupply. They are also very expensive. In contrast, the Iranian-designed Shahed-style loitering drone costs roughly $20,000 and arrives in swarms.

To address this mismatch, the United States and the Sunni monarchies should look at the example of Ukraine. At the start of the war in Feb. 2022, the Ukrainians realized expensive radars and missiles should be saved for ballistic threats, and built a cheap, layered web for everything else.
Saudi Arabia and co. spent decades buying defenses against the most sophisticated weapons in Iran’s arsenal. But the nature of threat has changed. The key is to deny Iran the power to turn a handful of drones into leverage and dominance. It can be done. Ukraine proves it.
 

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Uhhhhhh huuuuh.

US&A has no ammo. They are down to 20%.

Iran who became self-reliant on themselves…
…& China, & Russia…for tactical hardware, rocket fuel, guidance, hardware supply of dual use components, Russian & Chinese techs for Russian & Chinese military equipment, satellite imagery and support, etc…
…can crank out 200 ballistic missiles per-month. US&A can only crank out Patriots at half he rate.
Trump really needs Ukrainian ingenuity, and wherewithal, involved in manufacturing Patriot missiles, potentially improving upon them and making them faster and cheaper. They’re highly motivated and years into their current wartime mindset.
THAAD, it gets worse.
Yep.
Iran won and America and Israel's ass have never even more exposed.

Was it worth a Netjob's wet dream?
No idea, but Palestinians that nobody else in the Middle East wants to accept as refugees or otherwise inside their borders, it could turn into a situation where the enemy of their enemy (for many actual nations in the Middle East) is a Jew. Nations currently Confronting Iran and Its Proxies:
    • Saudi Arabia: Abandoned strict neutrality to carry out retaliatory and joint air operations against Iran-backed militias in Iraq and Houthi military targets in Yemen after sustained drone and missile attacks on its oil and energy infrastructure.
    • Jordan: Actively intercepted and shot down incoming barrages of Iranian ballistic missiles and drones crossing its airspace during regional retaliatory strikes.
    • The Gulf Monarchies (UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Qatar): Designated as targets for Iranian counter-strikes and retaliatory drone attacks due to hosting coalition or U.S. military assets, prompting active air defense operations and regional security coordination.
    • Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan pledge mutual defence as Middle East turmoil escalates.​

    • Trump might get to walk away and flip his Greenland/Cuba coin yet in his Donroe Doctrine after kicking the M.E. hornets nest.​

 

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No idea, but Palestinians that nobody else in the Middle East wants to accept as refugees or otherwise inside their borders, it could turn into a situation where the enemy of their enemy (for many actual nations in the Middle East) is a Jew. Nations currently Confronting Iran and Its Proxies:
    • Saudi Arabia: Abandoned strict neutrality to carry out retaliatory and joint air operations against Iran-backed militias in Iraq and Houthi military targets in Yemen after sustained drone and missile attacks on its oil and energy infrastructure.
    • Jordan: Actively intercepted and shot down incoming barrages of Iranian ballistic missiles and drones crossing its airspace during regional retaliatory strikes.
    • The Gulf Monarchies (UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Qatar): Designated as targets for Iranian counter-strikes and retaliatory drone attacks due to hosting coalition or U.S. military assets, prompting active air defense operations and regional security coordination.
    • Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan pledge mutual defence as Middle East turmoil escalates.​

    • Trump might get to walk away and flip his Greenland/Cuba coin yet in his Donroe Doctrine after kicking the M.E. hornets nest.​

Are you fucking serious? Nobody wants to accept them? Who told you that? Israel? Maybe other Arabs know its what Israel wants which is Gaza depopulated and taken?

Why should Palestinians leave Palestine? Why on earth should they ethnically cleanse themselves from Gaza giving Israel exactly what they want???
Arab League positions and related policies emphasized preserving Palestinian identity and the “right of return” to what is now Israel. Full naturalization or resettlement was widely viewed as undermining that claim and amounting to acceptance that return would not happen. UNRWA’s original resettlement-oriented approach was resisted for the same reason.063b46
Recent refusals (Gaza war and proposals)
During and after the 2023–2025 Gaza war, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and others explicitly rejected plans or suggestions (including from some Israeli officials and later U.S. proposals) to resettle large numbers of Gazans in their countries. Leaders framed this as opposition to forced displacement / “ethnic cleansing,” protection of the Palestinian cause and two-state solution, and rejection of any “alternative homeland.”e9d337
If they had rights and were allowed to go anywhere it would be the West Bank. Is there a reason why West Bank wouldn't be where they should seek refuge? A reason like Israel wants the West Bank too?

If Newfoundland were attacked with the intent to occcupy and annex, should Newfies go to Greenland or the US? Why wouldn't Newfies take refuge in Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia or anywhere else in Canada?
 

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Are you fucking serious? Nobody wants to accept them? Who told you that? Israel? Maybe other Arabs know its what Israel wants which is Gaza depopulated and taken?

Why should Palestinians leave Palestine? Why on earth should they ethnically cleanse themselves from Gaza giving Israel exactly what they want???
Ok, looking back at the last 33 or 34 months since Hamas attacked Israel and then retreated back into Gaza with souvenirs to hide under the Palestinian population, who accepted even just on a temporary basis, while Israel & Hamas have been fighting, Palestinian civilians until hostilities ended, as refugees to take them out of harms way and then return them? The immediate neighbours being Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon for example.

The two most logical ones being Jordan and Egypt since Oct 7th, 2023, right? Looking at a map of the Middle East I mean. I’m sure Jordan and Egypt have their reasons but…

Anyway, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said Iran and Oman were "very close" to agreement on a new shipping route through the Strait of Hormuz but that reopening the strait depended on other conditions, including U.S. compensation to Iran. The previous shipping traffic separation scheme through the strait was no longer acceptable to Tehran, he said, adding that Iran was discussing a temporary route with Oman while technical and legal issues (like the American Blockade while claiming the Strait is open) surrounding a ⁠permanent route were resolved.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards also said on Saturday that re-opening the Strait of Hormuz depended on Washington accepting Iran's conditions and was not related to the Iran-Oman negotiations. Guards spokesperson Hossein Mohebbi did not specify the conditions but said Washington must stop interfering in the regional negotiation process.
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Yes really. I have yet too hear it framed otherwise and everything I say being framed as anti-Semitic or evil JOOOOOOZ.

Why does call to prayer in Regina put a bee in your bonnet while daily Church bells peeling from 12th and Ottawa don't as an example.

Read my new post to understand the who and how these ideologies got put in your head.
WOW and you don't see the difference between the "chuch bells" and the "call to prayer?" Seriously?? OMG!!
 

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Ok, looking back at the last 33 or 34 months since Hamas attacked Israel and then retreated back into Gaza with souvenirs to hide under the Palestinian population, who accepted even just on a temporary basis, while Israel & Hamas have been fighting, Palestinian civilians until hostilities ended, as refugees to take them out of harms way and then return them? The immediate neighbours being Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon for example.

The two most logical ones being Jordan and Egypt since Oct 7th, 2023, right? Looking at a map of the Middle East I mean. I’m sure Jordan and Egypt have their reasons but…
Why would they hand Gaza to Israel? Use your head and skip the hasbara.
 

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WOW and you don't see the difference between the "chuch bells" and the "call to prayer?" Seriously?? OMG!!
No I dont. Im not an ignorant sick fuck racist cunt. One is a bell and one is song and they both have the same message at the same fucking decibels.

OMG? Your god with hooves, horns and a tail?
 

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Why would they hand Gaza to Israel? Use your head and skip the hasbara.
They who? Hamas? The neighbours that could’ve accepted at least some of the Palestinian refugees temporarily until a fighting was over? I can answer the question but I need to know who the “they” is that you’re referring to in order to answer accurately.
 

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Why would they hand Gaza to Israel? Use your head and skip the hasbara.
They who? Hamas? The neighbours that could’ve accepted at least some of the Palestinian refugees temporarily until a fighting was over? I can answer the question but I need to know who the “they” is that you’re referring to in order to answer accurately.
With “they” being vague, it’s a tough question to answer, but I’m still willing to take a stab at it using an AI to save time. Host nations across the Middle East have faced major security, political, and sovereignty challenges linked to Palestinian refugee populations and armed factions over the decades. These threats ranged from cross-border military reprisals and civil wars to political subversion and economic shocks.

Lebanon:
    • Sovereignty erosion: Armed Palestinian factions established an autonomous military infrastructure that acted as a "state within a state."
    • Civil war catalyst: Clashes between Lebanese Christian militias and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) triggered the devastating 15-year Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990).
    • Target for foreign retaliation: PLO cross-border operations from Lebanese territory invited heavy Israeli military incursions and the 1982 invasion.
Jordan:
    • Dual-power crisis: Armed Palestinian fedayeen groups challenged King Hussein’s authority and set up parallel governance structures.
    • Black September (1970): An open civil conflict erupted after Palestinian militant groups hijacked international airliners and landed them in Jordan, forcing a major military crackdown by the Jordanian army.
    • External proxy intervention: Syria intervened militarily by sending tanks across the border to back the Palestinian factions before being forced to retreat.
Egypt:
    • Sinai security fears: Cairo fears that a mass influx of Palestinian refugees into the Sinai Peninsula would provide a staging ground for militant attacks against Israel, threatening the Egypt-Israel peace treaty.
    • Domestic insurgency risks: Egyptian authorities worry about the integration of Palestinian radicalized elements into the Sinai, which has faced a localized Islamist insurgency.
Syria:
    • Loss of independent control: Palestinian factions in Syria, particularly during the civil war era, were co-opted or split by regional power struggles, dragging refugee camps like Yarmouk into active urban warfare and sieges.
    • Regime security concerns: The Syrian government historically monitored and tightly restricted Palestinian political and militant groups to ensure they did not independently threaten Damascus's regional foreign policy calculations.
Kuwait:
    • Political alignment backlash: During the 1990–1991 Gulf War, the leadership of the PLO under Yasser Arafat politically backed Saddam Hussein's invasion and occupation of Kuwait.
    • Mass expulsion: Viewing the resident Palestinian population as a fifth column and a direct internal security threat following liberation, Kuwait subsequently expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
Neighbouring countries like AP News Egypt and Jordan have explicitly and staunchly refused to take in refugees from Gaza, pointing directly to the risk of importing armed militants, and potential destabilization where rival Palestinian political and military factions operated parallel authorities within host states duplicating past historical Palestinian crises.

There is sympathy with the Palestinian cause, as long as it remains “over there” and Israel’s problem in a once bitten twice shy manner for the Middle East it would appear from the outside looking in, and on that note, why wouldn’t Israel want Palestinians flowing from Gaza to the West Bank after October 7, 2023? Would Israel’s logic be along the same lines as all the other countries in the Middle East?

In violation of the May 2021 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, Hamas launched by far the biggest surprise attack against Israel that had ever been experienced. Israeli officials argued and argue that mass relocations from Gaza cannot be effectively vetted, risking the movement of active combatants or covert cells into a contiguous territory adjacent to Israeli population centres.

So without knowing who “they” are that you’re referring to above, hopefully I’ve answered the question.
If Newfoundland were attacked with the intent to occcupy and annex, should Newfies go to Greenland or the US? Why wouldn't Newfies take refuge in Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia or anywhere else in Canada?
In your theoretical situation in order for it to be parallel, whom would’ve Newfoundland attacked and abducted hostages back into, in order for whichever other province assumably to occupy and try and root out the radicalized Newfies from the other non-terrorist militarized Newfoundlanders to protect themselves from future repeated hostilities launched from Newfoundland?

What’s Newfie for Hasbara? Sleeveenly Rotted?
 
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They who? Hamas? The neighbours that could’ve accepted at least some of the Palestinian refugees temporarily until a fighting was over? I can answer the question but I need to know who the “they” is that you’re referring to in order to answer accurately.
Use your head. Who lives in Gaza that you suggest should seek refuge in other Arab Nations? Kalahari bushmen?
With “they” being vague, it’s a tough question to answer, but I’m still willing to take a stab at it using an AI to save time. Host nations across the Middle East have faced major security, political, and sovereignty challenges linked to Palestinian refugee populations and armed factions over the decades. These threats ranged from cross-border military reprisals and civil wars to political subversion and economic shocks.

Lebanon:
  • Sovereignty erosion: Armed Palestinian factions established an autonomous military infrastructure that acted as a "state within a state."
  • Civil war catalyst: Clashes between Lebanese Christian militias and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) triggered the devastating 15-year Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990).
  • Target for foreign retaliation: PLO cross-border operations from Lebanese territory invited heavy Israeli military incursions and the 1982 invasion.
Jordan:
    • Dual-power crisis: Armed Palestinian fedayeen groups challenged King Hussein’s authority and set up parallel governance structures.
    • Black September (1970): An open civil conflict erupted after Palestinian militant groups hijacked international airliners and landed them in Jordan, forcing a major military crackdown by the Jordanian army.
    • External proxy intervention: Syria intervened militarily by sending tanks across the border to back the Palestinian factions before being forced to retreat.
What year is it?
Egypt:
  • Sinai security fears: Cairo fears that a mass influx of Palestinian refugees into the Sinai Peninsula would provide a staging ground for militant attacks against Israel, threatening the Egypt-Israel peace treaty.
  • Domestic insurgency risks: Egyptian authorities worry about the integration of Palestinian radicalized elements into the Sinai, which has faced a localized Islamist insurgency.
That makes perfect sense. I wouldnt want those ISIS assholes that the Netanyahu regime aligned with, hired and armed to attack, ransack and permanently disable aid trucks.

Lets not forgot the toddlerists. There is no way in hell IDF snipers got them all. Those 2-3 year olds are slippery little bastards
Syria:
  • Loss of independent control: Palestinian factions in Syria, particularly during the civil war era, were co-opted or split by regional power struggles, dragging refugee camps like Yarmouk into active urban warfare and sieges.
  • Regime security concerns: The Syrian government historically monitored and tightly restricted Palestinian political and militant groups to ensure they did not independently threaten Damascus's regional foreign policy calculations.
Assad did want Palestinian refugees from a Syrian Palestinian refugee camp joining up with Israel backed Isis. Not even toddlerists? Yes buying stolen Syrian oil from Isis is considered direct support for Isis. BTW isnt it odd there is a Palestinian refugee camp when you're trying to prove Syria doesn’t take Palestinian refugees? Use your head.
Kuwait:
  • Political alignment backlash: During the 1990–1991 Gulf War, the leadership of the PLO under Yasser Arafat politically backed Saddam Hussein's invasion and occupation of Kuwait.
  • Mass expulsion: Viewing the resident Palestinian population as a fifth column and a direct internal security threat following liberation, Kuwait subsequently expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
What year is it?
Arab League, see Jordan below.
Neighbouring countries like AP News Egypt and Jordan have explicitly and staunchly refused to take in refugees from Gaza, pointing directly to the risk of importing armed militants, and potential destabilization where rival Palestinian political and military factions operated parallel authorities within host states duplicating past historical Palestinian crises.
Seems AP is full of shit?

Jordan and the broader Arab League maintain a strict, unified policy rejecting the permanent or mass displacement of Gaza refugees into neighboring countries, viewing it as a "red line" that threatens Palestinian statehood. Instead, Jordan focuses on delivering humanitarian aid, organizing emergency regional responses, and supporting organizations like UNRWA. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

Core Stance on Displacement
  • No Alternative Homeland: King Abdullah II of Jordan and Arab League leaders state that displacing Gazans or West Bank Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt is unacceptable. [1, 2]
  • Protection of Statehood: Officials maintain that accepting a mass exodus would permanently liquidate the Palestinian right of return and nullify aspirations for an independent state. [1]
  • Regional Security & Economy: Jordan already hosts hundreds of thousands of Palestinian and other refugees; absorbing another wave risks destabilizing the kingdom's security and exceeding its economic capacity. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Arab League and Jordanian Action
  • Diplomatic Coordination: Jordan frequently utilizes the Arab League to rally unified opposition against proposals or laws that threaten Palestinian presence or humanitarian mandates, such as bans on UNRWA. [1]
  • Humanitarian Aid: Jordan has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, deployed field hospitals, and coordinated aerial drops of medical and food supplies directly to populations inside Gaza. [1, 2, 3]
  • Targeted Medical Exception: While broad resettlement is barred, Jordan has permitted limited, temporary entry for specific critical humanitarian cases, such as cancer-stricken children requiring specialized medical care.
There is sympathy with the Palestinian cause, as long as it remains “over there” and Israel’s problem in a once bitten twice shy manner for the Middle East it would appear from the outside looking in, and on that note, why wouldn’t Israel want Palestinians flowing from Gaza to the West Bank after October 7, 2023? Would Israel’s logic be along the same lines as all the other countries in the Middle East?
All other countries? Including Arab League Countries?
It appears you're still in a hasbara trap
In violation of the May 2021 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, Hamas launched by far the biggest surprise attack against Israel that had ever been experienced. Israeli officials argued and argue that mass relocations from Gaza cannot be effectively vetted, risking the movement of active combatants or covert cells into a contiguous territory adjacent to Israeli population centres.
Bullshit
So without knowing “they” are that you’re referring to above, hopefully I’ve answered the question.
No. Youve known who they are all along.
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Iran's Revolutionary Guards said on Sunday they would not reopen the Strait of Hormuz, vital to the world economy, until the United States met Tehran's conditions set out the day before, including compensation for war damages.
  • No threats: Stop all threatening language and insults toward Iran's national sanctities.
  • End aggression: Cease the war and military actions against Iran and its regional allies in Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, and Iraq.
  • Withdraw forces: Lift the naval blockade and withdraw American naval and air forces from the vicinity of Iran.
  • Pay reparations: Fully compensate Iran for the damages inflicted by past wars of aggression without reduction.
  • Lift sanctions: Terminate all economic and legal sanctions placed against the Iranian nation.
  • Release assets: Unconditionally release all frozen and detained assets belonging to the Iranian people.
Iran has imposed an effective blockade of the strait since the United States and Israel attacked in late February, and wants to charge tolls for passage, striking ships it accuses of attempting to circumvent its preferred route.

Continued attacks in the waterway, which was free to transit before the war, led to the collapse of an April ceasefire. Mediators have urged both sides to return to the terms of a subsequent June memorandum that set out a path for peace talks.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said discussions with Oman over transit and management of the strait were "approaching the final stages", but added that the reopening of Hormuz "is subject to other conditions and compensation for the violation" of the June agreement.

He denied on Sunday that Iran was negotiating with the United States, saying they were merely "exchanging messages" via intermediaries😉.
“Iran's security chief Mohammad Bagher Zolghadr on Saturday laid out a list of demands for reopening the strait, including an end to the "war and aggression against Iran and its allies in Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen and Iraq"…& Syria isn’t mentioned here anymore with the address change of Bashar al-Assad.
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He also demanded the lifting of a US counterblockade of Iranian ports, the end of sanctions, the release of frozen assets and compensation for wartime damage, according to remarks reported by the Tasnim news agency.
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Iran's Revolutionary Guards on Sunday said their strategy was to maintain the closure "until the enemy accepts all our conditions... the strait is now actually a theatre of war for us and not just a waterway". The comments came as transit through Hormuz has dropped significantly, with Iran targeting ships it accuses of skirting its preferred route through Iranian waters.

On that note, since drone struck US (& Greek) assets at an Egyptian port on the Mediterranean last month, Turkey's foreign minister said on Saturday he expected Egypt to join a joint defence agreement between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan designed to stabilize the region, calling the country a "natural partner on all issues". As the Shiite arc of alliance weakens from Iran to Lebanon due to the US/Israeli depredation of Tehran’s power, Sunni states look set to fill the vacuum.

The pact pools regional assets—Saudi financing, Pakistani nuclear/missile deterrence, and Turkish industrial defense power—to manage local stability rather than expel Western influence.
The pact among three U.S. allies with majority ‌Sunni Muslim ⁠populations is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all, the countries said in a statement.
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“There is no common threat that we have put in writing,” Turkiye’s Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan told Turkey’s state-run Anadolu agency, adding that countries that do not attack the signatories would not be considered targets.
(YouTube & Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sign defense pact • FRANCE 24 English)
Ron, it looks like Petros has gone to the other side!! :(
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 

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U.S. President Donald Trump said there was an "all-day negotiation" on Tuesday with Iran, characterizing the talks positively while also threatening to hit Iran "really hard" ‌if a deal with Tehran was not reached because diplomacy. “We are having very good discussions," he added.

The Strait of Hormuz "is going to be open very soon," Trump said, warning that if that did not happen, Iran would be hit hard. “If they back out again, they are going to get hit really hard," Trump said. Trump's rhetoric during the war has been condemned by rights experts when he ⁠has threatened to target Iranian civilian infrastructure and when he threatened to destroy their civilization in April.
The US president was speaking to Fox News after Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent both said talks had progressed to allow shipments potentially to resume later this week. US Central Command (CentCom) said the "southern route through the Strait of Hormuz remains free and open for all commercial vessels seeking to transit the international waterway".😉

U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz could be agreed as soon as Tuesday or Wednesday? But..but the “southern” route is open…so isn’t the strait open already then? There was a "chance we may have a deal today or tomorrow to open the strait and move towards a more normalized (?) position in this conflict," he told CNBC.

"It would be freedom of movement," he added, when asked whether Iran would be allowed to charge for ships passing through?

Iran has said it is not negotiating with the US - and has no plans to do so - and is instead talking to Oman. A spokesman for Iran's foreign ministry said that talks with Oman, a mediator in negotiations, on a new mechanism for vessels going through the Strait, had been positive.
This "iinvasion" of Iran merely reinforces the fat they they NEED Nukes to fight off the moron in chief. Regardless of the cultural and political differences...... Iran hs the right to defnd itself. (same princple as the US uses all the time) This whole situation demostrates that Trump has no clue ....and even less about conseque4nces of his actions.

All he has done is fostered more rage in the MId East....against the US.........and that is the germination plate for terrorism.
This is not some silly game. ....and all of Trumps stupid bulying and therats ......does not change the fact that Iran holds the cards. Meanwhile oil and gas prices are going up......and the whole world is affected by this stupidity from the Trump US. The American bully in chief sorely miscalculated. (mainly because he has no sense of reality and an addiction for drama and sensationalism. His bellicose bullying , threats and other grandiose comments.... merely demonstrate the nature of the man. Throwing down the gauntlet is his idea of "negotiation"........and that is subject to change on a whim. That is the mentality of a gr4ade school bully. Hit first and then believe you have control ....so the bully believes he can get HIS way.
There are enough major natural challenges on the planet without PROVOKING more.( by choice.)Between the sun getting hotter , global warming. and the insaity of this man............planet prognosis : guarded.

There was no clear cut objective for this nonsense. Freeing the Iranians?? preventing them from aquiring nukes., or ??? whatever that simple brain comes up with. Makes a farce of Amerca
 

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U.S. President Donald Trump has signaled he's prepared to let economic pressure take its toll on Iran rather than launching further military strikes, as Tehran insists the Strait of Hormuz will only reopen if Washington agrees to several conditions.
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Trump, who last week projected confidence of an imminent deal between Washington and Tehran, told Axios on Sunday that he is prepared to wait for economic distress to mount in Iran, backing away from a renewed military offensive.
(YouTube & Iran's list of demands to reopen Hormuz: A capitulation document? • FRANCE 24 English)

"We are low-keying it," Trump said, "We are only semi-negotiating with them. We are just watching Iran with its huge inflation and the fact they have no money."

The president also posted a chart on Truth Social showing the plunging value of the Iranian rial between 2025 and now, with the title "Iran has no money" and "currency is trash" in text.
Iranian strikes in Hormuz and Houthi attacks in the Red Sea continued to keep shippers away from both routes. The United Arab Emirates said Saturday that Iran launched a missile on an oil tanker owned by the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company while it was attempting to transit the strait early Saturday.

Yemen's Iran-backed Houthi militia on Sunday claimed responsibility for an attack on an oil refinery in Saudi Arabia and equipment in Yemen's Red Sea port city of al-Makha. Iran's Araghchi said Sunday there was "no possibility of restarting negotiations" as long as the U.S. continues violating the June memorandum of understanding, without compensating for its "violations," according to Tasnim News Agency, a semi-official news outlet associated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Iran isn’t “low-keying” it.

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent over the ‌weekend claimed the strait would become "irrelevant" as oil would eventually be redirected through pipelines, giving analysts the impression the White House was trying to wash its hands of the whole affair.
 

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It gets crazier, and this is not from the Onion or the Babylon Bee or even the Beaverton:

President Trump on Monday demanded reparations from Iran for those who have died amid the conflict, after Tehran called for compensation for damages.

“I see that Representatives of the Islamic Republic of Iran are asking for compensation for the damage done to them during the last five month Military Conflict (started because, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON), even though it was never mentioned in any of our negotiations or meetings!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

The president called it an “interesting idea” and said he would start “demanding compensation from Iran, for all of the people that they have killed and gravely wounded with their roadside bombs and many conflicts.”

He said the compensation would cover those killed in the USS Cole attack in October 2000, among others.

Trump also said compensation should be given to the families of the protesters who were killed in Iran “over the last 50 years, not to mention the 52,000 that have been killed in the last five months.”

The president said that, moving forward, the compensation requirement will be added to negotiations.
The USS Cole bombing on October 12, 2000, was a suicide attack carried out by members of the al-Qaeda terrorist network. Al-Qaeda was never a formal proxy or ideological client of Iran, but the two have a documented history of tactical, pragmatic cooperation and logistical accommodation facilitated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Iranian intelligence. Despite deep theological divides between Shia Iran and Sunni extremist al-Qaeda, they found common cause in opposing the United States.
Huh…with this twist, Trump might want Iran to pay for 9/11 and if they don’t, he’ll tariff them. It’s getting harder to tell satire from some version of reality in this goat rodeo.
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So now is Iran going to demand compensation and reparations for the term between 1953 and 1979 where the U.S. CIA and British intelligence orchestrated the 1953 coup and installed their own chosen leader to govern Iran for that quarter of a century? Isn’t there some kind of statute of limitations on this?