Have you seen pictures of Gaza? Its a miracle any holocaustages survived the onslaught and starvation.
The New York Declaration.
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Why complain? Hamas got their just desserts. Israel (Bibi and JKK allies) have yet to fully face the consequences of genocide. Expect Hamas to drag their feet when this could have ended a long long time ago if Bibi wasnt afraid of Ben-Gvir and Smotrich ending his PM reign and facing prison.
Do you think I’m complaining? Or do you think I’m noting what actually happened? It’s in one of those threads somewhere from about a week or two ago.
If Trump came out with this peace plan ultimatum on the 29th, & Hamas accepted it, sort of, on the 3rd… it gives you a window between then and now when they were exploring what they could and couldn’t get away with, to look for that quote if you feel so inclined.
If Trump came out with this peace plan ultimatum on the 29th, & Hamas accepted it, sort of, on the 3rd… it gives you a window between then and now when they were exploring what they could and couldn’t get away with, to look for that quote if you feel so inclined.
Everything hinges on the 60 day truce.Do you think I’m complaining? Or do you think I’m noting what actually happened? It’s in one of those threads somewhere from about a week or two ago.
If Trump came out with this peace plan ultimatum on the 29th, & Hamas accepted it, sort of, on the 3rd… it gives you a window between then and now when they were exploring what they could and couldn’t get away with, to look for that quote if you feel so inclined.
Do you really think this is all Trump?
Open you goddamn eyes and ears. 80% of the planet is behind Palestine as a Sovereign Nation and part of that Sovereign Nation in the province or state of Gaza the elected Govt of Hamas is in power.
What does Canada ask of both parties? Is this thread not about our unilateral agreement with powers that that out weigh the US and includes the Arabs along with us?
Give your head a sheikh.
Trump is the figurehead he’s gonna try and take credit for everything. I’m about 99% positive He didn’t write that 20 point peace plan, and there’s all kinds of side deals going on…airliners to military bases in Idaho, etc…to who is gonna get what slice of the pie with respect a rebuilding Gaza, and so on and so forth.
I don’t think Palestinian statehood is as important as you think it is in the big picture, but it makes for great sound bites.
No shit Sherlock. I'm 100% he didnt because I know he didn't. Have you figured out who did? Do you want to to know?
Yes there will be billions upon billions of investments pouring in from neighbouring nations but there won't be a single shekel going into Gaza.
You still don't get it do you...or maybe its just hard to accept?
The answer to "who wrote the plan" is in the first post of this thread.
Trump's plan came from the NY Declaration. He was forced by 140 countries to "do it or else we'll do it and put your buddy Benny in the hoosegow and let the world know your role as an Epsteinphile".
Trump's plan came from the NY Declaration. He was forced by 140 countries to "do it or else we'll do it and put your buddy Benny in the hoosegow and let the world know your role as an Epsteinphile".
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Saudi FM Warns Trump of Israeli’s West Bank Annexation Dangers
Arab and Muslim countries made clear to US President Donald Trump the dangers of Israeli annexation of the West Bank, Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister Prince ...
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The West Bank's Role in the NY Declaration
The West Bank is positioned as an integral and non-negotiable component of the future sovereign Palestinian state, explicitly linked to Gaza in a unified territory under Palestinian Authority (PA) control.
Key aspects include:
Unification with Gaza and PA Governance:
The declaration stresses that Gaza must be "unified with the West Bank" as part of a single Palestinian state, with no tolerance for division, occupation, siege, or territorial fragmentation. Governance, law enforcement, and security across "all Palestinian territory"—explicitly including the West Bank and East Jerusalem—must rest solely with the PA, adhering to the principle of "One State, One Government, One Law, One Gun." This involves disarming non-state actors (e.g., Hamas handing over control in Gaza) and extending PA responsibilities westward, supported by international aid and a transitional administrative framework post-ceasefire.
Occupation and Settlement Activity:
A core demand is for Israel to immediately halt all settlement expansion, land grabs, and annexation in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), renounce such policies, and address settler violence through UN Security Council Resolution 904 and domestic legislation. The declaration opposes any actions undermining
Palestinian self-determination, citing the International Court of Justice's July 2024 advisory opinion on the illegality of the occupation. It calls for international measures, like sanctions on violent settlers, to preserve the West Bank's viability for statehood.
Path to Palestinian Statehood and Reforms:
The West Bank is central to achieving full Palestinian sovereignty, with commitments to PA institutional strengthening, democratic elections (including in East Jerusalem) within one year, and economic measures like releasing withheld tax revenues, easing movement restrictions, and revising trade protocols. Recognition of Palestinian statehood is deemed "essential," paving the way for UN membership and integration into regional frameworks (e.g., trade and security pacts inspired by ASEAN/OSCE models).
Security and Humanitarian Protections: Post-conflict stabilization in the West Bank would involve a temporary UN-mandated international mission (invited by the PA) for civilian protection, security capacity-building, and monitoring. The declaration also condemns escalating violence in the West Bank alongside Gaza events, calling for accountability and de-escalation to enable broader peace.
In essence, the West Bank "fits" as the territorial backbone of Palestinian viability in the two-state framework—protected from erosion, unified with Gaza, and primed for PA-led self-governance—serving as a litmus test for the declaration's implementation.
Follow-up mechanisms, including a Global Alliance and UN General Assembly mobilization in September 2025, aim to track progress. While ambitious, critics note challenges like Israeli political resistance and enforcement gaps.
This one has teeth. 140 signators Vs. 1 Trump
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Cool. Anyway…
Ok. It was too well done for him to come up with this himself, & these 140 countries came up with this “do it or else” plan. Ok. Where & how do points 13 & 14 fit into this with respect to the backing and support of these 140 countries?
Follow the NYD and flush Trump from the USA daytime serial. You'll get more from Thd Price IS Right (not left).
Yeah, not sure what you’re trying to say there. In its statement on Sunday, the IDF said "terrorists fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops operating to dismantle terrorist infrastructure in the Rafah area, in southern Gaza".
"In response, the IDF has begun striking in the area to eliminate the threat and dismantle tunnel shafts and military structures used for terrorist activity."
A local source familiar with Sunday's incident told BBC News that Hamas fighters attacked a group affiliated with Abu Shabab in south-eastern Rafah, an area controlled by Israeli forces.
The militants reportedly came under surprise tank fire, leading to a short exchange of gunfire before Israeli warplanes bombed the site.
Residents living south of the nearby European Hospital said the strikes were accompanied by artillery shelling, with explosions shaking parts of Rafah.
Under the Trump 20-point ceasefire, Hamas is supposed to relinquish its weapons so that it no longer poses a threat to Israel.
Guess they’re still in phase 1 though Trump says phase 2 has started of this 20 point plan that was drafted/influenced by these 140 countries with the “do it or else” plan.
The attacks in Rafah came hours after the US said it had "credible reports" that Hamas was planning an "imminent" attack on civilians in Gaza, which, it said, would be a "direct and grave" violation of the ceasefire agreement.
A planned attack against Palestinians would "undermine the significant progress achieved through mediation efforts", the state department said.
Israel launches air strikes in Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation of ceasefire' — BBC News
Hamas said it was "unaware of any events or clashes" in Rafah. It remains unclear if this will affect the ceasefire deal.
What if Israel said 3 days ago "a rocket will be fired and the war will start again after we blame Hamas". I'm shocked it took them so fucking long.Yeah, not sure what you’re trying to say there. In its statement on Sunday, the IDF said "terrorists fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops operating to dismantle terrorist infrastructure in the Rafah area, in southern Gaza".
"In response, the IDF has begun striking in the area to eliminate the threat and dismantle tunnel shafts and military structures used for terrorist activity."
A local source familiar with Sunday's incident told BBC News that Hamas fighters attacked a group affiliated with Abu Shabab in south-eastern Rafah, an area controlled by Israeli forces.
The militants reportedly came under surprise tank fire, leading to a short exchange of gunfire before Israeli warplanes bombed the site.
Residents living south of the nearby European Hospital said the strikes were accompanied by artillery shelling, with explosions shaking parts of Rafah.
Under the Trump 20-point ceasefire, Hamas is supposed to relinquish its weapons so that it no longer poses a threat to Israel.
Guess they’re still in phase 1 though Trump says phase 2 has started of this 20 point plan that was drafted/influenced by these 140 countries with the “do it or else” plan.
The attacks in Rafah came hours after the US said it had "credible reports" that Hamas was planning an "imminent" attack on civilians in Gaza, which, it said, would be a "direct and grave" violation of the ceasefire agreement.
A planned attack against Palestinians would "undermine the significant progress achieved through mediation efforts", the state department said.
Israel launches air strikes in Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation of ceasefire' — BBC News
Hamas said it was "unaware of any events or clashes" in Rafah. It remains unclear if this will affect the ceasefire deal.apple.news
Did Israel say a rocket will be etc…? Or is this an “if” and only an “if” in hindsight?
“If” Hamas (& friends) attacked Israel on, oh let’s say…Oct 7th 2023, would Israel retaliate? Sort of “if” here?
Yes, that was my question, in comparison to the reality of the situation or is it a Monday morning quarterback theoretical grasp at revising things?
Did Israel “fight back” against the attack Oct 7th 2023? Did Israel “fight back” against this most recent claim of being attacked? He said/She said, & maybe we need to watch things unfold? Maybe somebody will come forward with the equivalent of the GoPro video from Hamas on Oct 7th or cop body cameras from this most recent whatever in the last day….
Nothing changed. Its still the same statement.
Is the NYD and 20 pt plan aimed at Hamas or Israel?
Is it aimed at stopping this current conflict, so that things can go forward instead of the same stupid perpetual cycle We’ve been watching for the last 3/4 of a century?
Sigh…
Ok. Who or what “is” trying to end this current conflict (or the current chapter in it, or the current paragraph in the current chapter of it) currently?
Who? 140 Nations and a UN Resolution
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Israel is being reigned in. PERIOD!
