The New York Declaration.

[petros]

I’ve gotta run but, funny you mentioned hospitals.
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After Israeli Withdrawal, Hamas Launches Violent Crackdown on Rivals in Gaza — The Wall Street Journal

Firefights and public executions raise concerns about spiral of internecine violence; ‘I could hear gunfire all around’

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Whats funny about lies?

Key Verified Instances of CGI or Fabricated Depictions

Al-Shifa Hospital "Command Center"

Animation (October-November 2023):
On October 27, 2023, the IDF released a detailed CGI animation purporting to show an elaborate underground Hamas headquarters beneath Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital, including command rooms, electrical systems, and blast doors. This was used to justify an impending IDF raid on the hospital, a major civilian medical facility.

The animation was explicitly computer-generated (not real footage) and described by the IDF as an "illustration" based on intelligence. However, it was presented in official briefings and media as representative of what would be found, fueling public and international support for the operation.

Post-raid investigations, including by the BBC and The Guardian, found that while a 55-meter concrete tunnel shaft with basic rooms (e.g., a bathroom and storage area) existed under the hospital—used by Hamas for weapons storage and operations—the scale and sophistication shown in the CGI did not match reality. No full "command center" was uncovered, and the evidence fell short of initial IDF claims.

A Spanish TV investigation by LaSexta (broadcast on Israeli channels like Channel 12 and Kan 11 in November 2023) revealed that elements of the 3D footage traced directly to assets from the video game Escape from Tarkov, including tunnel textures, modular walls, and lighting effects created in game engines like Unity or Unreal. 3D animation experts confirmed it was simulated, not authentic surveillance or drone imagery, and lacked real-world inconsistencies like dust or uneven lighting. This was used to visually amplify claims of Hamas infrastructure under civilian sites.

Faked Tunnel Image in the Philadelphi Corridor (August 2024):

In August 2024, amid ceasefire negotiations, the IDF posted an image on X claiming it showed a 3-meter-deep Hamas smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border (Philadelphi Corridor). It was promoted as evidence justifying a prolonged Israeli military presence there.

Former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant later accused the military of fabricating the claim:

An internal investigation by Israel's Kan broadcaster revealed the image depicted a 1-meter-deep irrigation canal covered in dirt, not a tunnel. Gallant stated this was deliberately exaggerated "to prevent reaching a deal with Hamas" and stall truce talks, including a proposed 5-7 year ceasefire and hostage exchange

More...

Israel concedes error in video claiming to show Hamas tunnels under hospital

The Israeli military says a video it released that claimed to show Hamas-built tunnels underneath a southern Gaza hospital actually show different buildings.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dixie Cup]

Don't discount the possibility. No nation has the "right to exist".

Says who?

 

[Dixie Cup]

Whats funny about lies?

Key Verified Instances of CGI or Fabricated Depictions

Al-Shifa Hospital "Command Center"

Animation (October-November 2023):
On October 27, 2023, the IDF released a detailed CGI animation purporting to show an elaborate underground Hamas headquarters beneath Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital, including command rooms, electrical systems, and blast doors. This was used to justify an impending IDF raid on the hospital, a major civilian medical facility.

The animation was explicitly computer-generated (not real footage) and described by the IDF as an "illustration" based on intelligence. However, it was presented in official briefings and media as representative of what would be found, fueling public and international support for the operation.

Post-raid investigations, including by the BBC and The Guardian, found that while a 55-meter concrete tunnel shaft with basic rooms (e.g., a bathroom and storage area) existed under the hospital—used by Hamas for weapons storage and operations—the scale and sophistication shown in the CGI did not match reality. No full "command center" was uncovered, and the evidence fell short of initial IDF claims.

A Spanish TV investigation by LaSexta (broadcast on Israeli channels like Channel 12 and Kan 11 in November 2023) revealed that elements of the 3D footage traced directly to assets from the video game Escape from Tarkov, including tunnel textures, modular walls, and lighting effects created in game engines like Unity or Unreal. 3D animation experts confirmed it was simulated, not authentic surveillance or drone imagery, and lacked real-world inconsistencies like dust or uneven lighting. This was used to visually amplify claims of Hamas infrastructure under civilian sites.

Faked Tunnel Image in the Philadelphi Corridor (August 2024):

In August 2024, amid ceasefire negotiations, the IDF posted an image on X claiming it showed a 3-meter-deep Hamas smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border (Philadelphi Corridor). It was promoted as evidence justifying a prolonged Israeli military presence there.

Former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant later accused the military of fabricating the claim:

An internal investigation by Israel's Kan broadcaster revealed the image depicted a 1-meter-deep irrigation canal covered in dirt, not a tunnel. Gallant stated this was deliberately exaggerated "to prevent reaching a deal with Hamas" and stall truce talks, including a proposed 5-7 year ceasefire and hostage exchange

More...

Israel concedes error in video claiming to show Hamas tunnels under hospital

The Israeli military says a video it released that claimed to show Hamas-built tunnels underneath a southern Gaza hospital actually show different buildings.

www.abc.net.au

The fact of the matter Petros is that the Hamas leadership are cowards & do utilize hospitals & schools to hide behind including their own civilians. You can bark all you want about it being lies but it's been proven over & over again by outsiders, not just Israeli's. Your refusal to admit that you may well be wrong is why no one takes you seriously. All you're doing is bringing up things that have already been debunked.

 

[petros]

Says who?

You.

You want Western Canada carved out of Canada.....think about that.

 

[petros]

The fact of the matter Petros is that the Hamas leadership are cowards & do utilize hospitals & schools to hide behind including their own civilians. You can bark all you want about it being lies but it's been proven over & over again by outsiders, not just Israeli's. Your refusal to admit that you may well be wrong is why no one takes you seriously. All you're doing is bringing up things that have already been debunked.

Say who?

They tricked you into believing a command center was under was under a Cancer hospital with CGI from video game software and footage from museum in Scotland. They then chucked 9 missiles at the Cancer hospital killing 16 and wounding 70+ more.

Are you proud?

You're an antisemitic for not giving credit for lies where credit is due.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Flip-Flop.





Round & round & round it goes….

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems “collaborators” with Israel.

Hamas, which has not publicly committed to disarming and ceding power, has gradually sent its men back into the streets of Gaza since the ceasefire began on Friday.

It has killed more than 30 members of "a gang" in Gaza City, a Palestinian security source said on Monday, without identifying the gang involved? Hamas has cited crime and security concerns for its actions as thousands of Palestinians return to the enclave's shattered north.

"We strongly urge Hamas to immediately suspend violence and shooting at innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza," Commander Brad Cooper, head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM, said in a statement.

US military tells Hamas to stop violence against Gaza civilians, disarm 'without delay' — Reuters

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems collaborators with Israel.

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Cooper asked the militant group to fully stand down, "strictly" adhere to U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza plan, and put down its weapons without delay.

US military tells Hamas to stop violence against Gaza civilians as Rafah crossing expected to open on Thursday — Independent.ie

Wed Oct 15 04:36:33 GMT 2025

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[petros]

Flip-Flop.
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Round & round & round it goes….

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems “collaborators” with Israel.

Hamas, which has not publicly committed to disarming and ceding power, has gradually sent its men back into the streets of Gaza since the ceasefire began on Friday.

It has killed more than 30 members of "a gang" in Gaza City, a Palestinian security source said on Monday, without identifying the gang involved? Hamas has cited crime and security concerns for its actions as thousands of Palestinians return to the enclave's shattered north.

"We strongly urge Hamas to immediately suspend violence and shooting at innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza," Commander Brad Cooper, head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM, said in a statement.

US military tells Hamas to stop violence against Gaza civilians, disarm 'without delay' — Reuters

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems collaborators with Israel.

apple.news

Cooper asked the militant group to fully stand down, "strictly" adhere to U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza plan, and put down its weapons without delay.

US military tells Hamas to stop violence against Gaza civilians as Rafah crossing expected to open on Thursday — Independent.ie

Wed Oct 15 04:36:33 GMT 2025

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Are you confused by all this?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Are you confused by all this?

Not at all to be honest. I’ve watched Trump on trade with Canada for the last 10 months.

 

[petros]

Not at all to be honest. I’ve watched Trump on trade with Canada for the last 10 months.

I'd say you are. How does Trump fit in and what has you upset about the Govt of Gaza handling drug dealing, criminal factions that committed treason against the citizens of Gaza?

 

[Ron in Regina]

I'd say you are. How does Trump fit in and what has you upset about the Govt of Gaza handling drug dealing, criminal factions that committed treason against the citizens of Gaza?

I’d say you don’t know what I’m talking about but I’m just assuming that you don’t know what I’m talking about, so I might be wrong, just like you might be wrong.

I’m talking about Trump flip-flopping for the last 10 months. I have no idea what you think I’m thinking.

Anyway, & I know this too might sound crazy, but maybe…just maybe…those currently being targeted by Hamas in Gaza are not all who you think they are. Maybe some are, & maybe several aren’t, but we can always wait and review their court transcripts when they become publicly available I guess, in the nature of due process, etc…

Now maybe…just maybe…the head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM might just have some access to some information that neither of us does. I know, crazy Hasbara talk, but maybe…a day after Trumps announcement about Hamas temporarily policing…some new information has come to light? Maybe it’s a Whoopsies moment? We might just have to wait & see.

Maybe others have also taken a step back and looked at the situation and went, “Hmmm…” with respect to the difference in definitions of the terms “collaborator” and “dissident”.


Maybe it’s something else. The interesting ones are the ones that are not being shot dead in the street, but the ones that are being dragged out into the public Square or intersection, and then shot in the legs and left there. What do you think is happening there? What is that statement about?