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petros

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I’ve gotta run but, funny you mentioned hospitals.
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Whats funny about lies?

Key Verified Instances of CGI or Fabricated Depictions

Al-Shifa Hospital "Command Center"

Animation (October-November 2023):
On October 27, 2023, the IDF released a detailed CGI animation purporting to show an elaborate underground Hamas headquarters beneath Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital, including command rooms, electrical systems, and blast doors. This was used to justify an impending IDF raid on the hospital, a major civilian medical facility.

The animation was explicitly computer-generated (not real footage) and described by the IDF as an "illustration" based on intelligence. However, it was presented in official briefings and media as representative of what would be found, fueling public and international support for the operation.

Post-raid investigations, including by the BBC and The Guardian, found that while a 55-meter concrete tunnel shaft with basic rooms (e.g., a bathroom and storage area) existed under the hospital—used by Hamas for weapons storage and operations—the scale and sophistication shown in the CGI did not match reality. No full "command center" was uncovered, and the evidence fell short of initial IDF claims.

A Spanish TV investigation by LaSexta (broadcast on Israeli channels like Channel 12 and Kan 11 in November 2023) revealed that elements of the 3D footage traced directly to assets from the video game Escape from Tarkov, including tunnel textures, modular walls, and lighting effects created in game engines like Unity or Unreal. 3D animation experts confirmed it was simulated, not authentic surveillance or drone imagery, and lacked real-world inconsistencies like dust or uneven lighting. This was used to visually amplify claims of Hamas infrastructure under civilian sites.

Faked Tunnel Image in the Philadelphi Corridor (August 2024):

In August 2024, amid ceasefire negotiations, the IDF posted an image on X claiming it showed a 3-meter-deep Hamas smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border (Philadelphi Corridor). It was promoted as evidence justifying a prolonged Israeli military presence there.

Former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant later accused the military of fabricating the claim:

An internal investigation by Israel's Kan broadcaster revealed the image depicted a 1-meter-deep irrigation canal covered in dirt, not a tunnel. Gallant stated this was deliberately exaggerated "to prevent reaching a deal with Hamas" and stall truce talks, including a proposed 5-7 year ceasefire and hostage exchange

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Whats funny about lies?

Key Verified Instances of CGI or Fabricated Depictions

Al-Shifa Hospital "Command Center"

Animation (October-November 2023):
On October 27, 2023, the IDF released a detailed CGI animation purporting to show an elaborate underground Hamas headquarters beneath Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital, including command rooms, electrical systems, and blast doors. This was used to justify an impending IDF raid on the hospital, a major civilian medical facility.

The animation was explicitly computer-generated (not real footage) and described by the IDF as an "illustration" based on intelligence. However, it was presented in official briefings and media as representative of what would be found, fueling public and international support for the operation.

Post-raid investigations, including by the BBC and The Guardian, found that while a 55-meter concrete tunnel shaft with basic rooms (e.g., a bathroom and storage area) existed under the hospital—used by Hamas for weapons storage and operations—the scale and sophistication shown in the CGI did not match reality. No full "command center" was uncovered, and the evidence fell short of initial IDF claims.

A Spanish TV investigation by LaSexta (broadcast on Israeli channels like Channel 12 and Kan 11 in November 2023) revealed that elements of the 3D footage traced directly to assets from the video game Escape from Tarkov, including tunnel textures, modular walls, and lighting effects created in game engines like Unity or Unreal. 3D animation experts confirmed it was simulated, not authentic surveillance or drone imagery, and lacked real-world inconsistencies like dust or uneven lighting. This was used to visually amplify claims of Hamas infrastructure under civilian sites.

Faked Tunnel Image in the Philadelphi Corridor (August 2024):

In August 2024, amid ceasefire negotiations, the IDF posted an image on X claiming it showed a 3-meter-deep Hamas smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border (Philadelphi Corridor). It was promoted as evidence justifying a prolonged Israeli military presence there.

Former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant later accused the military of fabricating the claim:

An internal investigation by Israel's Kan broadcaster revealed the image depicted a 1-meter-deep irrigation canal covered in dirt, not a tunnel. Gallant stated this was deliberately exaggerated "to prevent reaching a deal with Hamas" and stall truce talks, including a proposed 5-7 year ceasefire and hostage exchange

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The fact of the matter Petros is that the Hamas leadership are cowards & do utilize hospitals & schools to hide behind including their own civilians. You can bark all you want about it being lies but it's been proven over & over again by outsiders, not just Israeli's. Your refusal to admit that you may well be wrong is why no one takes you seriously. All you're doing is bringing up things that have already been debunked.
 

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The fact of the matter Petros is that the Hamas leadership are cowards & do utilize hospitals & schools to hide behind including their own civilians. You can bark all you want about it being lies but it's been proven over & over again by outsiders, not just Israeli's. Your refusal to admit that you may well be wrong is why no one takes you seriously. All you're doing is bringing up things that have already been debunked.
Say who?

They tricked you into believing a command center was under was under a Cancer hospital with CGI from video game software and footage from museum in Scotland. They then chucked 9 missiles at the Cancer hospital killing 16 and wounding 70+ more.

Are you proud?

You're an antisemitic for not giving credit for lies where credit is due.
 

Ron in Regina

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Flip-Flop.
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Round & round & round it goes….

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems “collaborators” with Israel.

Hamas, which has not publicly committed to disarming and ceding power, has gradually sent its men back into the streets of Gaza since the ceasefire began on Friday.

It has killed more than 30 members of "a gang" in Gaza City, a Palestinian security source said on Monday, without identifying the gang involved? Hamas has cited crime and security concerns for its actions as thousands of Palestinians return to the enclave's shattered north.

"We strongly urge Hamas to immediately suspend violence and shooting at innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza," Commander Brad Cooper, head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM, said in a statement.
Cooper asked the militant group to fully stand down, "strictly" adhere to U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza plan, and put down its weapons without delay.
 

petros

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Flip-Flop.
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Round & round & round it goes….

The U.S. military's Middle East command on Wednesday called on Hamas to stop its violence against civilians in Gaza and disarm "without delay" as the militant group reasserts itself by deploying security forces and executing those it deems “collaborators” with Israel.

Hamas, which has not publicly committed to disarming and ceding power, has gradually sent its men back into the streets of Gaza since the ceasefire began on Friday.

It has killed more than 30 members of "a gang" in Gaza City, a Palestinian security source said on Monday, without identifying the gang involved? Hamas has cited crime and security concerns for its actions as thousands of Palestinians return to the enclave's shattered north.

"We strongly urge Hamas to immediately suspend violence and shooting at innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza," Commander Brad Cooper, head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM, said in a statement.
Cooper asked the militant group to fully stand down, "strictly" adhere to U.S. President Donald Trump's Gaza plan, and put down its weapons without delay.
Are you confused by all this?
 

Ron in Regina

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I'd say you are. How does Trump fit in and what has you upset about the Govt of Gaza handling drug dealing, criminal factions that committed treason against the citizens of Gaza?
I’d say you don’t know what I’m talking about but I’m just assuming that you don’t know what I’m talking about, so I might be wrong, just like you might be wrong.

I’m talking about Trump flip-flopping for the last 10 months. I have no idea what you think I’m thinking.
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Anyway, & I know this too might sound crazy, but maybe…just maybe…those currently being targeted by Hamas in Gaza are not all who you think they are. Maybe some are, & maybe several aren’t, but we can always wait and review their court transcripts when they become publicly available I guess, in the nature of due process, etc…

Now maybe…just maybe…the head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM might just have some access to some information that neither of us does. I know, crazy Hasbara talk, but maybe…a day after Trumps announcement about Hamas temporarily policing…some new information has come to light? Maybe it’s a Whoopsies moment? We might just have to wait & see.

Maybe others have also taken a step back and looked at the situation and went, “Hmmm…” with respect to the difference in definitions of the terms “collaborator” and “dissident”.
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Maybe it’s something else. The interesting ones are the ones that are not being shot dead in the street, but the ones that are being dragged out into the public Square or intersection, and then shot in the legs and left there. What do you think is happening there? What is that statement about?
 

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I’d say you don’t know what I’m talking about but I’m just assuming that you don’t know what I’m talking about, so I might be wrong, just like you might be wrong.

I’m talking about Trump flip-flopping for the last 10 months. I have no idea what you think I’m thinking.
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Anyway, & I know this too might sound crazy, but maybe…just maybe…those currently being targeted by Hamas in Gaza are not all who you think they are. Maybe some are, & maybe several aren’t, but we can always wait and review their court transcripts when they become publicly available I guess, in the nature of due process, etc…

Now maybe…just maybe…the head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM might just have some access to some information that neither of us does. I know, crazy Hasbara talk, but maybe…a day after Trumps announcement about Hamas temporarily policing…some new information has come to light? Maybe it’s a Whoopsies moment? We might just have to wait & see.

Maybe others have also taken a step back and looked at the situation and went, “Hmmm…” with respect to the difference in definitions of the terms “collaborator” and “dissident”.
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Maybe it’s something else. The interesting ones are the ones that are not being shot dead in the street, but the ones that are being dragged out into the public Square or intersection, and then shot in the legs and left there. What do you think is happening there? What is that statement about?
What you posted was word salad.

I’d say you don’t know what I’m talking about but I’m just assuming that you don’t know what I’m talking about, so I might be wrong, just like you might be wrong.

I’m talking about Trump flip-flopping for the last 10 months. I have no idea what you think I’m thinking.
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Anyway, & I know this too might sound crazy, but maybe…just maybe…those currently being targeted by Hamas in Gaza are not all who you think they are. Maybe some are, & maybe several aren’t, but we can always wait and review their court transcripts when they become publicly available I guess, in the nature of due process, etc…

Now maybe…just maybe…the head of the U.S. military's CENTCOM might just have some access to some information that neither of us does. I know, crazy Hasbara talk, but maybe…a day after Trumps announcement about Hamas temporarily policing…some new information has come to light? Maybe it’s a Whoopsies moment? We might just have to wait & see.

Maybe others have also taken a step back and looked at the situation and went, “Hmmm…” with respect to the difference in definitions of the terms “collaborator” and “dissident”.
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Maybe it’s something else. The interesting ones are the ones that are not being shot dead in the street, but the ones that are being dragged out into the public Square or intersection, and then shot in the legs and left there. What do you think is happening there? What is that statement about?
Trump isn't CENTCOM. CENTCOM can chirp all they want but Hamas is the Govt of Gaza and its their responsibility to have al Qassam police ALL the thugs. This is completely normal in post war transitions.

All nations have treason laws, drug law, theft, fraud, rape and vice laws just like Gaza and in Gaza Hamas is the Govt and al-Qassam now in a policing role. Its their nation not Bibi's, Trump's or General Electric of the lightbulb brigade.

Stop eating the hasbara word salad that is only confusing you. The Isis assholes aren't a "rival gang" thats like calling Hells Angel's rivals of the Govt of Canada. Stop believing the hasbara.

You seem to believe al-Qassam were to drop their weapons instantly. That never happens or was to happen

.You're looking for Phase 2 long before Phase 1 is complete. Hamas doesn't fully disarm until Israel has fully withdrawn.

Here's what to expect

The second phase of the October 2025 Gaza ceasefire agreement—part of U.S. President Donald Trump's broader 20-point peace plan—builds on the initial 60-day truce by aiming for a permanent end to hostilities, but it remains highly contentious and largely unimplemented as of October 15. This phase, which could begin after the first phase's hostage releases and partial Israeli withdrawals conclude, centers on several interconnected elements designed to reshape Gaza's security and governance landscape.

Key provisions include a full Israeli military withdrawal from the territory (currently occupying about 53-58% of Gaza), contingent on verifiable progress toward demilitarization. Hamas would be required to disarm and lay down its weapons, with the Gaza Strip undergoing comprehensive demilitarization under independent international monitoring to dismantle tunnels, weapons facilities, and other offensive infrastructure—estimated to include a 350-400 mile underground network. However, Hamas has explicitly rejected unilateral disarmament as "out of the question," viewing it as a non-negotiable internal Palestinian matter, and no concrete mechanisms (such as cantonment, where weapons are surrendered at supervised sites) have been agreed upon. To bridge this gap temporarily, the plan allows Hamas to function as a Palestinian police force for a limited period to maintain order and prevent chaos, while an International Stabilisation Force (ISF)—comprising U.S., Arab (e.g., Egypt, Jordan), and global partners—deploys to train and vet new Palestinian security personnel, enforce the ceasefire, and avert a power vacuum that could empower rival militants.

In parallel, the phase envisions the release of all remaining living Israeli male hostages (civilians and soldiers) in exchange for additional Palestinian prisoners, solidifying a "sustainable calm" and permanent ceasefire. This would enable unrestricted humanitarian aid, trade, and reconstruction efforts in Gaza, including a proposed special economic zone with trade incentives to "rebuild and energize" the strip—efforts projected to cost over $50-70 billion and generate 55 million tons of rubble over a decade or more.

The broader transition focuses on shifting governance from Hamas to a temporary technocratic and apolitical administration, overseen by an international "Board of Peace" (potentially chaired by Trump and involving figures like former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair). This interim body would manage daily operations, with a gradual handover to a reformed Palestinian Authority (PA) from the West Bank, incorporating input from Gaza's civil society and possibly rehabilitated former Hamas members in non-security roles (e.g., as doctors or engineers).

However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has firmly opposed PA involvement, citing its unfitness to govern, while the PA itself remains deeply unpopular among Palestinians due to corruption allegations and irrelevance in Gaza. Without reconciliation mechanisms or broad buy-in, experts warn this could lead to exclusionary policies, anarchy, or Hamas's resurgence—exacerbated by its recent street-level reassertion of control amid the fragile truce.

Overall, the phase's success hinges on resolving these gaps through ongoing U.S.-led negotiations, but deep mistrust, domestic Israeli politics, and Hamas's refusal to concede power make full implementation uncertain, potentially derailing the deal and resuming conflict.