Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

How did this happen prior to Oct 7?

Does it play into why Hamas attacked?


Key Allegations
Crimes: Settlement expansion (war crime under Geneva Conventions) and potential apartheid (crime against humanity).

Part of ICC's 2021 "Situation in Palestine" probe, covering crimes since 2014.

Timeline
Mar 2021: ICC opens Palestine investigation (includes settlements). Pre-Oct 7

Nov 2022: Ben-Gvir & Smotrich join Netanyahu’s gov’t, push settlement growth. Pre-Oct 7

Mid-2023: ICC begins building cases against them. Pre-Oct 7

Oct 7, 2023: Hamas attack; ICC probe expands to Gaza.

Apr/May 2025: Draft warrants ready, but prosecutor on leave amid misconduct probe.

Aug 2025: Warrants finalized but held up, possibly due to U.S. pressure.

Current Status
Applications are ready but face delays, with concerns they may be shelved.

Other countries (UK, Australia, Canada, etc.) have sanctioned Ben-Gvir/Smotrich; Slovenia backs ICC warrants for Netanyahu/Gallant.

Pre-Oct 7 Connection
Yes, the case focuses on their settlement actions before Oct 7, 2023, though the Gaza war expanded the ICC’s scope.

All the way back to 2014? Wow. That shit stain definitely ain't washing out.

 

[petros]

Part of ICC's 2021 "Situation in Palestine" probe, covering crimes since 2014.

9 years of Zionist terrorism on Palestinians prior to Oct 7 linked to Ben-Gvir is under investigation with Americans trying to cover it up?

But but but....

 

[Ron in Regina]

US President Donald Trump will push a new peace plan to end the Israel-Gaza war during White House talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday.

Trump has talked up prospects of reaching an agreement, telling journalists on Friday: "I think we have a deal."

But Netanyahu said on Sunday "it's not been finalised yet", while Hamas said they had not formally been sent the proposal.

Trump to push new peace plan in talks with Netanyahu — BBC News

The US president has talked up prospects of an agreement, but Netanyahu said it was not finalised - and Hamas say they haven't been sent the proposal.

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(According to leaked copies of the plan published by US and Israeli media, it stipulates the release of all hostages within 48 hours of the deal being confirmed. Once they are returned, Israel will free hundreds of Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences, etc…)

Hamas members who commit to peace will be offered amnesty and safe passage out of Gaza - and the group will have no future role in the territory. All Hamas military structures will be destroyed.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will gradually withdraw from the Strip and Gaza will be governed by an interim transitional government.

Odds of this happening?

 

[petros]

Odds of this happening?

Bigly. G6 of G7, EU, Asia Pacific Alliance, Pakistan India and Arabs have pulled the flying area rug from under the US and Israel.

Thanks to the Ukrainians, Russian oil market is now our market. The threat of no Canadian heavy oil going to US refineries puts the US economy into instant catastrophe.

Hmmmm, who else has heavy oil to feed California, Oklahomo, Texas and Louisiana refineries and petrochemical?

Venezuela. Oil won't flow from there at the volume needed for quite sometime.

Heavy oil just happens to be ideal for jet fuel and diesel. Can't run a military without oodles of diesel and AV fuels and boat gas that comes from Canada without a replacement.

Drill baby drill is already unfeasible at today's oil prices for shale oil and is useless for petrochemicals.

Trump has no choice but do what the fuck this new alliance says and that is kybosh the Israeli far right and Free Palestine.

 

[petros]

Bigly. G6 of G7, EU, Asia Pacific Alliance, Pakistan India and Arabs have pulled the flying area rug from under the US and Israel.

Thanks to the Ukrainians, Russian oil market is now our market. The threat of no Canadian heavy oil going to US refineries puts the US economy into instant catastrophe.

Hmmmm, who else has heavy oil to feed California, Oklahomo, Texas and Louisiana refineries and petrochemical?

Venezuela. Oil won't flow from there at the volume needed for quite sometime.

Heavy oil just happens to be ideal for jet fuel and diesel. Can't run a military without oodles of diesel and AV fuels and boat gas that comes from Canada without a replacement.

Drill baby drill is already unfeasible at today's oil prices for shale oil and is useless for petrochemicals.

Trump has no choice but do what the fuck this new alliance says and that is kybosh the Israeli far right and Free Palestine.

Add ons.

Who control the rail in North America? Canadian Pacific and Canadian National.

They choose when and where freight moves to and from port.

Only if there was a looming war to fast track all this...something like a war with Russia would speed up industry and strategic resource growth in Canada in one helluva of a hurry.

It would really suck if under War Measures if all Canadian registered rail had to come home in a hurry. We can move a fuck tonne of oil by rail to quick built terminals.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Bigly. G6 of G7, EU, Asia Pacific Alliance, Pakistan India and Arabs have pulled the flying area rug from under the US and Israel.

Ya mean. . . we're no longer the richest and most powerful country on Earth?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Bigly. G6 of G7, EU, Asia Pacific Alliance, Pakistan India and Arabs have pulled the flying area rug from under the US and Israel.

Ya mean. . . we're no longer the richest and most powerful country on Earth?

What’s the incentive for Hamas again? To release the hostages, disarm, disband, etc…again? ‘Cuz the PA tells them to? Hamas siphons billions away from Western “aid” and UNRWA annually and they’re gonna walk away from that why again?

Who control the rail in North America?

Linda Gates and Warren Buffet? Something like that?

{I heard a while back (this might’ve changed since then) that Linda Gates is now a majority shareholder in at least one of the Canadian railroads since her divorce settlement, & Warren Buffet (Anti-pipeline) owns a few RR oil tank cars}

 

[petros]

What’s the incentive for Hamas again? To release the hostages, disarm, disband, etc…again? ‘Cuz the PA tells them to? Hamas siphons billions away from Western “aid” and UNRWA annually and they’re gonna walk away from that why again?

Hamas won.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What’s the incentive for Hamas again? To release the hostages, disarm, disband, etc…again? ‘Cuz the PA tells them to? Hamas siphons billions away from Western “aid” and UNRWA annually and they’re gonna walk away from that why again?

What's the incentive for Ham-ass to do what? The incentive for the raid that kicked off this inning of the shitshow was to raise their profile and get the shekels rolling in.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hamas won.

Ok. Sure seems that way at this point, as all those Canadian & Australian “prerequisites” for endorsement of a Palestinian state all dissipated in the last week or two or three, etc…

Now it’s just a matter of the PA following through on its promises, or not I guess, as that doesn’t seem to matter anymore either.

When Osama bin Laden crashed those planes into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers, he should’ve had bigger demands, like maybe making Rhode Island into its own country, etc……

 

[Ron in Regina]

What's the incentive for Ham-ass to do what? The incentive for the raid that kicked off this inning of the shitshow was to raise their profile and get the shekels rolling in.

Worked, “at an acceptable cost” too, and probably a whole lot less in shekels Palestinians than they budgeted for, but genocide, etc…

 

[petros]

Ok. Sure seems that way at this point, as all those Canadian & Australian “prerequisites” for endorsement of a Palestinian state all dissipated in the last week or two or three, etc…

Now it’s just a matter of the PA following through on its promises, or not I guess, as that doesn’t seem to matter anymore either.

When Osama bin Laden crashed those planes into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers, he should’ve had bigger demands, like maybe making Rhode Island into its own country, etc……

Did Osama bin Laden commit a genocide?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Did Osama bin Laden commit a genocide?View attachment 31337

Where his goals genocidal are you asking? No, his goals were violently and homicidally political, but not genocidal, and my point was he should’ve asked for his own territory, like Rhode Island or Hawaii. A bit shortsighted there.

What were the goals of Hamas (& Friends) on October 7th? Was it really a real estate issue (?) or was it the elimination of the only Jewish nation on the planet issue? Was that intent genocidal?

I have to say, the guy who called this most accurately two years ago, in this very thread, on October 8 2023 deserves some kind of prize.

 

[petros]

Where his goals genocidal are you asking? No, his goals were violently and homicidally political, but not genocidal, and my point was he should’ve asked for his own territory, like Rhode Island or Hawaii. A bit shortsighted there.

What were the goals of Hamas (& Friends) on October 7th? Was it really a real estate issue (?) or was it the elimination of the only Jewish nation on the planet issue? Was that intent genocidal?

I have to say, the guy who called this most accurately two years ago, in this very thread, on October 8 2023 deserves some kind of prize.
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How the fuck could they kill all the Jews on the planet? And they want all the rice in China too? Do you have any idea how retarded that sounds?

Even the Ruskie don't bomb cities with anything bigger than 500Kg

Israel, 2000lbs in dense urban. Never been done before.

​ ​ ​ ​ At the White House, U.S. President Trump said PM Netanyahu agreed to his plan to end the war in Gaza and secure the release of all the hostages held by Hamas. Netanyahu confirmed he backss Trump's plan, adding that if Hamas rejects the deal "Israel will finish the job." The White House published Trump's 20-point plan for ending the war and a "New Gaza." In Trump's presence, Netanyahu apologized to Qatar's PM for Israel's strike on Doha earlier this month. Trump's plan to end the war in Gaza lacks a clear implementation strategy, Palestinian and Arab sources said. Spain banned U.S. aircraft and ships loaded with military equipment for Israel from passing through two strategic bases in its territory.​ ​ ■ TRUMP-NETANYAHU MEETING: U.S. President Trump said PM Netanyahu agreed to his plan to end the war in Gaza and secure the release of the hostages held by Hamas. The U.S. president said that according to the deal, Hamas members "who committed to coexistence" and decommission their weapons would receive amnesty, and that he himself would lead a "Board of Peace" that would oversee a Palestinian technocratic government that will temporarily govern postwar Gaza.​ According to Trump, Israel will withdraw from Gaza in phases, and would have full U.S. backing to destroy Hamas if it rejects the agreement. If Hamas agreed, Arab and Muslim countries "are going to be dealing with" it, according to Trump, who said "maybe even Iran can join the Abraham Accords." Standing alongside Trump, Netanyahu said he supports Trump's plan, adding that "if Hamas rejects Trump's plan, Israel will finish the job itself." The White House published Trump's 20 point plan to end the war in Gaza, release all hostages and rebuild a "New Gaza" following his meeting with Netanyahu. Further key points include: ■ If both Hamas and Israel agree to the plan, the Gaza war will immediately end. Israeli forces will make a partial withdrawal. ■ Within 72 hours, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be released. ■ Israel will then release 250 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences as well as 1700 Gazans detained after October 7 ■ Humanitarian aid will start being conveyed to Gaza through the United Nations, the Red Crescent and other international institutions ■ No one will be forced to leave Gaza. ■ Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. ■ While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the "conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood.​ In a three-way call with Trump from the White House, Netanyahu apologized to Qatar's PM Mohammed Al Thani for Israel's strike on Doha earlier this month targeting Hamas officials. Hamas official Mahmoud Mirdawi told Al Jazeera that the group has not yet received Trump's plan, and said it expresses a position close to the Israeli position, deeming it an "attempt to suppress the international momentum and the wave of recognition for a Palestinian state." ■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Trump's plan to end the war in Gaza lacks a clear timetable or implementation strategy, Palestinian and Arab sources told Qatar's Al-Araby, adding that the only clear sections concern the release of the hostages and the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza. Noticeably absent is a detailed plan for the withdrawal of IDF forces from Gaza, they said.​ Palestinian sources told Asharq Al Awsat that Trump's new plan allows Israel to attack Gaza in the event of a security threat, adding that Hamas is worried that Israel will propose far-reaching interpretations for the term "security threat" to resume IDF operations. Other sources said they have reservations about the proposal to establish a transitional international administrative authority in Gaza, fearing that the mechanism will turn into a permanent "foreign rule," severing Gaza from the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority. Released hostage Ilana Gritzewsky and two hostages' relatives asked to meet with Netanyahu's wife, Sara, during a visit to the Lubavitcher Rebbe's grave but were denied access. The Hostages and Missing Families Forum wrote an open letter to Trump on Sunday night, expressing support for his plan to end the war, and calling on him to "stand firm against any attempts to sabotage the deal you have proposed… The stakes are too high, and our families have waited too long, for any interference to derail this progress." Israel's far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said that he presented Netanyahu with his conditions to end the fighting in Gaza, which include "a genuine and complete withdrawal of Hamas from Gaza" and the Strip's demilitarization; continued IDF presence on the Philadelphi route along the Gaza-Sinai border; and barring the Palestinian Authority's involvement in governing Gaza. "It is clear at this stage to the troops that Israeli hostages are present in the operational areas. Therefore, within the combat zone, the army has marked specific areas where hostages might be located, above and below ground. S., who recently assumed command of the brigade, is responsible for the tragic case in December 2023 in which Alon Shamriz, Yotam Haim, and Samer El-Talalka were killed after being held hostage in Gaza City's Shujaiyeh neighborhood. 'It is indeed our concern that a hostage could emerge from a tunnel or building and be accidentally struck,' he explains. 'It's a scenario that could happen again'" – Yaniv Kubovich, reporting from Gaza City​

 

[Ron in Regina]

How the fuck could they kill all the Jews on the planet?

You are very smart man, but very dense when you choose to be. Exactly where do you think anybody is saying “kill all the Jews on the planet?” Seriously….

What were the goals of Hamas (& Friends) on October 7th? Was it really a real estate issue (?) or was it the elimination of the only Jewish nation on the planet issue? Was that intent genocidal?

This is what you quoted in order to…whatever you’re doing.

Do you have any idea how retarded that sounds?

I know exactly how retarded that sounds, and that’s why I’m pointing this out. What you think you hear somebody asking or stating is only between your two ears. Reread what you quoted. I’m assuming what you were trying to twist is this one specific sentence in that paragraph:

How many other predominantly Jewish nations on the planet are there? Yes I’m sure there’s Jews everywhere (in very very tiny numbers in the middle east outside of Israel anymore, but that’s a different story), and I don’t know where you’re coming from here.

You’re way off on your own tangent. I can only guess that what you think you’ve read there, but maybe I can help illustrate it with a picture of the region (not the planet) with a big swath of green across it for a visual aid? I’m more than willing to if you would like. I’m sure you’ve seen it before. Sometimes pictures and maps are a good thing.

 

[petros]

You are very smart man, but very dense when you choose to be. Exactly where do you think anybody is saying “kill all the Jews on the planet?” Seriously….

This is what you quoted in order to…whatever you’re doing.

I know exactly how retarded that sounds, and that’s why I’m pointing this out. What you think you hear somebody asking or stating is only between your two ears. Reread what you quoted. I’m assuming what you were trying to twist is this one specific sentence in that paragraph:
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How many other predominantly Jewish nations on the planet are there? Yes I’m sure there’s Jews everywhere (in very very tiny numbers in the middle east outside of Israel anymore, but that’s a different story), and I don’t know where you’re coming from here.

You’re way off on your own tangent. I can only guess that what you think you’ve read there, but maybe I can help illustrate it with a picture of the region (not the planet) with a big swath of green across it for a visual aid? I’m more than willing to if you would like. I’m sure you’ve seen it before. Sometimes pictures and maps are a good thing.

Netanyahu is the self proclaimed King of the Jews, if he say all Jews it means all Jews. Why would he lie?

Don't say he hasn't claimed to be the leader of the Jews, that one is in the chamber and fully cocked.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Netanyahu is the self proclaimed King of the Jews, if he say all Jews it means all Jews. Why would he lie?

Don't say he hasn't claimed to be the leader of the Jews, that one is in the chamber and fully cocked.

Ugh…ok, whatever. President Donald Trump secured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's backing on Monday for a U.S.-sponsored peace proposal to end a nearly two-year-old war in Gaza, but questions loomed over whether Hamas would accept the plan.

Speaking at a joint White House press conference following a meeting with Netanyahu, Trump said they were "beyond very close" to an elusive peace deal for the Palestinian enclave. But he warned the Islamist group Hamas that Israel would have full U.S. support to take whatever action it deemed necessary if the militants reject what he has offered.

Standing next to Trump, Netanyahu responded: "I support your plan to end the war in Gaza, which achieves our war aims.

"It will bring back to Israel all our hostages, dismantle Hamas' military capabilities, end its political rule, and ensure that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel," he said. So now what?

Hamas won.

It sure won the propaganda war surrounding the whole goat rodeo. That I won’t argue about.

Trump secures Netanyahu's agreement to Gaza deal but Hamas support in question — Reuters

President Donald Trump secured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's backing on Monday for a U.S.-sponsored peace proposal to end a nearly two-year-old war in Gaza, but questions loomed over whether Hamas would accept the plan.

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Here’s a brief outline of the plan:

Trump peace plan envisions 'New Gaza' and Trump-led 'Board of Peace' — Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump published on Monday a 20-point peace proposal for Gaza that would end the war between Israel and Hamas militants and require the return of all hostages living and dead within 72 hours of a ceasefire.

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Tag Hamas. You’re it, again.

 

[petros]

Ugh…ok, whatever. President Donald Trump secured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's backing on Monday for a U.S.-sponsored peace proposal to end a nearly two-year-old war in Gaza, but questions loomed over whether Hamas would accept the plan.

Speaking at a joint White House press conference following a meeting with Netanyahu, Trump said they were "beyond very close" to an elusive peace deal for the Palestinian enclave. But he warned the Islamist group Hamas that Israel would have full U.S. support to take whatever action it deemed necessary if the militants reject what he has offered.

Standing next to Trump, Netanyahu responded: "I support your plan to end the war in Gaza, which achieves our war aims.

"It will bring back to Israel all our hostages, dismantle Hamas' military capabilities, end its political rule, and ensure that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel," he said. So now what?

It sure won the propaganda war surrounding the whole goat rodeo. That I won’t argue about.

Trump secures Netanyahu's agreement to Gaza deal but Hamas support in question — Reuters

President Donald Trump secured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's backing on Monday for a U.S.-sponsored peace proposal to end a nearly two-year-old war in Gaza, but questions loomed over whether Hamas would accept the plan.

apple.news

Here’s a brief outline of the plan:

Trump peace plan envisions 'New Gaza' and Trump-led 'Board of Peace' — Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump published on Monday a 20-point peace proposal for Gaza that would end the war between Israel and Hamas militants and require the return of all hostages living and dead within 72 hours of a ceasefire.

apple.news

Tag Hamas. You’re it, again.

Ugh, I'm not scrambling to justify a genocide by blaming everyone other than the perpetrators.

Remind me why the ICC is investigating Ben-Gvir and "Jew Power" back to 2014.

The shitshow was to raise their profile and get the shekels rolling in.

Or whack a radical far right Zionist hornet's nest and live stream it uncensored in 4K then let the hornets be hornet's that don't shit honey like on TV or what the Pastor says is reality until they get rights and Palestinian sovereignty.

Shalom Shalom (Durka Durka)