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Canada, which is preparing shortly to recognize Palestine as a sovereign state, will nevertheless withhold full normalization of relations until the territory’s leadership delivers on commitments they made, including releasing Israeli hostages, Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand said.
Speaking to reporters Friday during a visit with Prime Minister Mark Carney to Mexico, Ms. Anand said she intended to speak the same day with Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas to drive home this point. Ironically, the PA is an outgrowth of the PLO that…well, that’s a different story I guess.
She said Canada’s conditions include Hamas laying down its weapons, the return of Israelis kidnapped by Hamas, for Hamas to have no role in the future governance of Palestine and for there to be democratic reforms in the territory. The Canadian government considers Hamas a terrorist organization.
Canada will withhold normalization of relations with Palestine until conditions met, Anand says — The Globe and Mail
Conditions include Hamas laying down its weapons and return of Israelis kidnapped by the Islamist militant group
The UK has said it envisages a Palestinian state in which Hamas is disarmed, plays no part in the future government, and the leadership of the Palestinian Authority is subject to elections within a year…which is about two decades past due, & the irony would be that what will probably become the western 1/2 of Palestine will elect Hamas to
The requirement for Hamas to stand aside, seen as a precondition of recognition by France, was backed in the New York declaration endorsed by the Arab states on 29 July and then passed by the general assembly on 12 September. Hmmmm…
What the UK’s recognition of Palestinian statehood will mean
What does the decision entail and which other countries are joining Britain’s move
The Global Sumud Flotilla has launched the final leg of its journey to Gaza, with at least 40 boats expected to converge in the Mediterranean after departing ports in Tunisia, Italy, and Greece. The fleet includes the Alma and the Family Boat. 
By 17 September, the Spanish and Tunisian convoys were approaching Sicily to join up with the Italian fleet. On 19 September, the convoy departed heading east. The Israeli Navy has conducted preparatory maritime drills.
Well, the first two+ hours of my day are gone, getting a broken truck rescued off the highway, good times and happy Saturday morning!!
The Gaza War seems finally to be reaching its climax. On one side, Israel’s opponents are accusing it of genocide and of trying to starve the Palestinians into surrender and Britain, France, and Canada are recognizing the completely discredited Palestine Authority as a sovereign government of “Palestine” but again, the PA is an outgrowth of the PLO & that’s a different story…
On the other, Israel is finally assaulting the citadel of its terrorist opposition, the intense complex of tunnels and redoubts at the centre of the City of Gaza.
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In response to questions for this story, Israel's military spokesperson Lieutenant-Colonel Nadav Shoshani said "there's no strategy to flatten Gaza." He said the military's aim was to destroy Hamas and bring the holocaustages home.
There will obviously be a profound inquiry in Israel into every aspect of this war, once it is over, and particularly into why Israel was taken by surprise as it was, and why it has taken until now for the Israeli Defense Forces finally to assault the ultimate strong point of Hamas.
The implicit assumption of most of Israel’s critics that the October 7 incident was merely another skirmish in a long-standing border dispute between the Jews and Arabs towards an eventual demarcation between a Jewish and an Arab state is bunk.
This was not just another border incident, following Britain’s cavalier promise of 1917 of making Palestine a homeland for the Jews without compromising the rights of the Arabs.
It has emerged in the aftermath of the October 7 attack, including from an all-party investigation under the auspices of the British House of Lords, that Hamas actually thought that it could send a flying column of only a few thousand heavily-armed terrorists unobstructed to the eight gates of Jerusalem and that the attack would trigger a general Arab uprising throughout Israel.
It confirms that the October 7 attack was intended to plunge the whole territory of the old Palestine Mandate into general conflict whose ultimate objective was to destroy the state of Israel and replace it with an Islamist Arab state which would either kill, subjugate, or expel the Jews, so no big surprise or new revelation there.
Israel has determined that the Jews will never again submit to such a passive and tragic fate. The Nazi Holocaust murdered approximately half of the entire Jewish population of the world and an equivalent number (but obviously not a similar percentage) of non-Jews.
The problem that has existed and has finally forced itself into the consciousness of all serious observers, is that the controlling influences within the Arab population of that territory believe that the existence of a genuine Jewish state in and on that territory is intolerable and that they can never accept it and will therefore never acknowledge the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.
This collides with the post-Holocaust Jewish view that the Jewish people finally again after a lapse of 29 centuries have a state of their own and they are determined that “never again” will the Jewish people be herded as passive victims to slaughter. They will preserve the integrity and the rights of the Jewish state at all costs and forever. That brings us to today.
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Much of the “peace process” has so far been a hopeless cul-de-sac. The Palestinians could have had a state at any time in the last 25 years but they do not believe that any state that confirms the existence of the Jewish state is a satisfactory Palestinian state.
In 2023, Hamas committed a heinous act of war with the support of Iran which became the champion of the Arab enemies of Israel as the Arab powers themselves became much more concerned at the encroachments of their ancient Persian and Turkish oppressors than they were at the presence of the Jews among them; radical Islam passed from the hands of the Arabs to the Iranian government, much hated though it is by the population of Iran.
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Most of the Western world seems unable to take on board the fact that this is not just an interruption in the terribly difficult and syncopated progress toward enactment of the two-state solution.
Some combination of unrigorous thinking and traditional antisemitism has caused the confection of an anti-Israel argument built on contradictions. This has been most clearly stated in the Financial Times on September 15, following the Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership meeting at Doha in Qatar last week. (The Financial Times is almost as viscerally hostile to Israel as the Guardian but couches its Jew-baiting in more intellectually presentable terms.) Israel was condemned for continuing to attack Hamas despite the mortal and irreparable damage it has already done to the terrorist apparatus of that organization and at the same time it was denounced for continuing its effort to exterminate Hamas when that objective is in fact impossible of achievement. Good times.
When that analysis is examined, Israel is effectively accused of attempting to do what is impossible and also of continuing to pursue what it has already accomplished. Neither is true and as with other wars which can ultimately be brought to a victorious conclusion by one side, Israel is perfectly within its rights to persevere until the entire military and terrorist apparatus of Hamas has been destroyed.
The allegation of genocide is nonsense as genocide consists of a deliberate attempt to exterminate all or a substantial part of a defined group. Israel became exasperated with the Hamas habit of stealing food supplies for itself and starving the Palestinian people it supposedly represents, and reduced food assistance in Gaza in March but by May had recognized that this was a public relations as well as a humanitarian disaster and reversed course and is assuring that food is widely distributed.
{On a parochial Canadian note, Radio Canada should be congratulated for suspending the journalist (Elisa Serret) who explained to viewers that the United States was sticking with Israel because Jews controlled American politics?}
Now here’s where the teeth gnashing and spit will fly, with the Jews being Zionists and inherently evil for having a state that exists for the last 75-ish years. Obviously, no people finds the thought of genocide more repulsive than the Jews, and if that were Israel’s objective it could certainly have achieved it.
Israel should be encouraged and applauded for taking the one absolutely necessary step to make some sort of peace in its region possible: the destruction of the principal element in the Palestinian population that believes that peace in the area is impossible as long as a Jewish state exists.
If Israel wishes to confound its unctuous Western critics, straddling gymnastically between incompatible positions, including Canada, France, and the U.K., it too should recognize the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah as Palestine, to rub Hamas’ bloody nose in its failure, as the PA has no chance of meeting all the French demands for democracy and integrity and the whole initiative is a farce.
The destruction of Hamas as a terrorist force will not only prove that peace is possible; it will create the only conditions that could give peace in Israel and Palestine a chance.
The Gaza War seems finally to be reaching its climax. On one side, Israel’s opponents are accusing it of genocide and of trying to starve the Palestinians into surrender and Britain, France, and Canada are recognizing the completely discredited Palestine Authority as a sovereign government of “Palestine” but again, the PA is an outgrowth of the PLO & that’s a different story…
On the other, Israel is finally assaulting the citadel of its terrorist opposition, the intense complex of tunnels and redoubts at the centre of the City of Gaza.
Israel's Gaza City demolitions fan fears of permanent removal of Palestinians — Reuters
For a decade, Palestinian bank worker Shady Salama Al-Rayyes paid into a $93,000 mortgage on his flat in a tall, modern block in one of Gaza City's prime neighbourhoods. Now, he and his family are destitute, after fleeing an Israeli demolition strike that collapsed the building in a cloud of...
There will obviously be a profound inquiry in Israel into every aspect of this war, once it is over, and particularly into why Israel was taken by surprise as it was, and why it has taken until now for the Israeli Defense Forces finally to assault the ultimate strong point of Hamas.
The implicit assumption of most of Israel’s critics that the October 7 incident was merely another skirmish in a long-standing border dispute between the Jews and Arabs towards an eventual demarcation between a Jewish and an Arab state is bunk.
This was not just another border incident, following Britain’s cavalier promise of 1917 of making Palestine a homeland for the Jews without compromising the rights of the Arabs.
It has emerged in the aftermath of the October 7 attack, including from an all-party investigation under the auspices of the British House of Lords, that Hamas actually thought that it could send a flying column of only a few thousand heavily-armed terrorists unobstructed to the eight gates of Jerusalem and that the attack would trigger a general Arab uprising throughout Israel.
It confirms that the October 7 attack was intended to plunge the whole territory of the old Palestine Mandate into general conflict whose ultimate objective was to destroy the state of Israel and replace it with an Islamist Arab state which would either kill, subjugate, or expel the Jews, so no big surprise or new revelation there.
Israel has determined that the Jews will never again submit to such a passive and tragic fate. The Nazi Holocaust murdered approximately half of the entire Jewish population of the world and an equivalent number (but obviously not a similar percentage) of non-Jews.
The problem that has existed and has finally forced itself into the consciousness of all serious observers, is that the controlling influences within the Arab population of that territory believe that the existence of a genuine Jewish state in and on that territory is intolerable and that they can never accept it and will therefore never acknowledge the right of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.
This collides with the post-Holocaust Jewish view that the Jewish people finally again after a lapse of 29 centuries have a state of their own and they are determined that “never again” will the Jewish people be herded as passive victims to slaughter. They will preserve the integrity and the rights of the Jewish state at all costs and forever. That brings us to today.
Conrad Black: Destroying Hamas is Israel's righteous cause — National Post
The end of the terrorist organization is the only way to achieve peace
In 2023, Hamas committed a heinous act of war with the support of Iran which became the champion of the Arab enemies of Israel as the Arab powers themselves became much more concerned at the encroachments of their ancient Persian and Turkish oppressors than they were at the presence of the Jews among them; radical Islam passed from the hands of the Arabs to the Iranian government, much hated though it is by the population of Iran.
Iranically Iran, Middle East’s Karen…
Iran has been in the news a lot lately, trying to “not” have violence spread into a larger Middle Eastern conflict, while spreading violence in the region into a larger Middle Eastern conflict…or at least it sure seems like it from the outside looking in. Iran and Saudi Arabia are engaged in an...
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Some combination of unrigorous thinking and traditional antisemitism has caused the confection of an anti-Israel argument built on contradictions. This has been most clearly stated in the Financial Times on September 15, following the Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership meeting at Doha in Qatar last week. (The Financial Times is almost as viscerally hostile to Israel as the Guardian but couches its Jew-baiting in more intellectually presentable terms.) Israel was condemned for continuing to attack Hamas despite the mortal and irreparable damage it has already done to the terrorist apparatus of that organization and at the same time it was denounced for continuing its effort to exterminate Hamas when that objective is in fact impossible of achievement. Good times.
When that analysis is examined, Israel is effectively accused of attempting to do what is impossible and also of continuing to pursue what it has already accomplished. Neither is true and as with other wars which can ultimately be brought to a victorious conclusion by one side, Israel is perfectly within its rights to persevere until the entire military and terrorist apparatus of Hamas has been destroyed.
The allegation of genocide is nonsense as genocide consists of a deliberate attempt to exterminate all or a substantial part of a defined group. Israel became exasperated with the Hamas habit of stealing food supplies for itself and starving the Palestinian people it supposedly represents, and reduced food assistance in Gaza in March but by May had recognized that this was a public relations as well as a humanitarian disaster and reversed course and is assuring that food is widely distributed.
{On a parochial Canadian note, Radio Canada should be congratulated for suspending the journalist (Elisa Serret) who explained to viewers that the United States was sticking with Israel because Jews controlled American politics?}
Now here’s where the teeth gnashing and spit will fly, with the Jews being Zionists and inherently evil for having a state that exists for the last 75-ish years. Obviously, no people finds the thought of genocide more repulsive than the Jews, and if that were Israel’s objective it could certainly have achieved it.
Israel should be encouraged and applauded for taking the one absolutely necessary step to make some sort of peace in its region possible: the destruction of the principal element in the Palestinian population that believes that peace in the area is impossible as long as a Jewish state exists.
If Israel wishes to confound its unctuous Western critics, straddling gymnastically between incompatible positions, including Canada, France, and the U.K., it too should recognize the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah as Palestine, to rub Hamas’ bloody nose in its failure, as the PA has no chance of meeting all the French demands for democracy and integrity and the whole initiative is a farce.
The destruction of Hamas as a terrorist force will not only prove that peace is possible; it will create the only conditions that could give peace in Israel and Palestine a chance.
So. . . basically it's the Brits' fault?
Figures. Pretty much everything is. And what isn't is usually the French.
Figures. Pretty much everything is. And what isn't is usually the French.
Well, I’m just about to check in on Greta and all the other Greta‘s just out of curiosity.
Ok. Still a lot. A lot of mouths to feed, and various boats and yachts to fund for the sailing voyage that is several weeks in duration at least. I’m sure the logistics are a nightmare and there’s gotta be a very fat wallet behind this.
That good. It’s good to have friends, but you’ve also gotta be selective about your friends and your company, or not, I guess.
Good enough to find the greta Floella this morning, & count the various boats that may or may not join it, if that counts for anything?
6 + 37 =43
43 + potentially 6 more = 49
…& looks like they’re days away from the herding cats scenario in international Waters off of the coasts of Egypt and Gaza and Israel yet, assuming fair weather, and that none of them will have to be rescued before reaching that point probably by Israel (the bastards). 37 are actually sailing (or something like sailing), and another 12 may or may not join in.
Global Sumud Flotilla Tracker
FA and members of the Investigative Commons have been monitoring the status of the Global Sumud Flotilla as it embarked on a journey to deliver aid to Gaza under the ongoing genocide and total blockade.
I still hear the Benny Hill theme song in my head every time I think about this Floella when it is about to be intercepted in the days to come.
Many different agendas in this Floella.
Many different agendas in the last hundred years leading up to this.
Well, when you wander around setting other people's borders for them without consulting them, there's bound to be trouble.
Poor Brits. Still unable to accept that their glory days are behind them forever.
'We’re going straight to Gaza,’ Global Sumud Flotilla sets sail to Gaza
On Friday, 19 September, the lead ship of the Gaza Sumud Flotilla departed from Sicily, setting sail for Gaza after what organisers hope will be the final pa...
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Well, no confusion on this flotilla’s intentions. No ambiguity there, regarding the conditions for a naval blockade, etc…so it’ll be an interesting show.
So, weird question, but assuming this flotilla makes it to international waters outside Gaza, & assuming it’s intercepted and ends up in an Israeli port, & assuming the boats aren’t confiscated and sold at auction and are just turned around and sent back to their respective homes, etc…
Would this flotilla even have enough supplies (including the aid they’re carrying for Gaza, etc…) to make it back to somewhere else to resupply, or would Israel have to resupply them (provisions and ecologically friendly diesel x 37 to 49 boats?) just to send them on their way? If Israel does have to resupply them, would they just try to repeat this goat-rodeo from Israel waters into Gaza?
Is the smartest/safest thing for everyone being to just confiscate all these boats, pat everyone on their heads, and put them on economy class airfares back to France or whatever and let the protesters figure it out for themselves at that point?
Israeli officials say out of the 47 hostages, only 20 are believed to be alive. 2 of the remaining hostages are in a grave condition and the rest are dead.
The statement from Hamas states, “Your prisoners are distributed within the neighborhoods of Gaza City, and we will not be concerned for their lives as long as Netanyahu has decided to kill them," as reported by CNN?
McGill professor removed from student discipline role after pro-Hamas comments
The professor had publicly calling for “full economic and military support” for Hamas and Hezbollah.
Author of the article:Montreal Gazette
Montreal Gazette
Harry North
Published Sep 18, 2025 • Last updated 1 day ago • 2 minute read
A post from McGill professor William Clare Roberts on X calling for "full economic and military support for Hamas and Hezbollah."
A post from McGill professor William Clare Roberts on X calling for "full economic and military support for Hamas and Hezbollah."
A professor at McGill University has been removed from the university’s student discipline committee after publicly calling for “full economic and military support” for listed terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah.
William Clare Roberts, an associate professor of political science, had served as vice-chair of McGill’s Committee on Student Discipline, which hears cases of student misconduct. But at the first meeting of the year on Wednesday, the university’s Senate voted to replace him following controversy over his remarks.
The report from the meeting said members were unanimous in recommending Roberts’s removal. It noted that “while no wrongdoing” was alleged, his “publicly expressed personal views may reasonably be perceived, by an objective third party, as compromising his ability to exercise impartial judgment.”
It concluded his continued participation risked undermining public confidence in the fairness of the disciplinary process.
In a statement, McGill said: “Pursuant to a decision made by McGill’s Senate on Wednesday, the individual’s service responsibilities on the University’s Committee on Student Discipline have concluded. Academic freedom is central to McGill’s mission. Faculty members also have responsibilities under university policies, the positions they hold at McGill, and, more broadly, the law.”
On X, Roberts acknowledged, to his nearly 15k followers, that he had been removed. He said the move was “demanded by CIJA,” the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, adding: “I am not done fighting this.”
In a letter penned to the committee and shared with The Gazette, Roberts accused the committee of acting in a “cowardly manner and its decision “demeans (its) responsibility” to the students and institution.
He rejected suggestions that he was incapable of impartial judgment, saying he had never chaired a case connected to pro-Palestinian protests as he had recused himself because of his political beliefs. He also dismissed claims that his stance could be perceived as acting “against Jewish students,” calling the accusation “beneath my contempt.” He argued that his criticism of Israel’s military actions did not have bearing on Jewish students at McGill.
Roberts doubled down on his original remarks. He wrote that to “stop Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza,” democratic nations should be “supplying, supporting and even arming the Palestinian and Lebanese forces that can resist Israel.”
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are listed by the Canadian government as terrorist groups.
The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs welcomed the Senate’s decision. In a joint statement on X with Federation CJA, it called Roberts’s posts “extremely dangerous.”
The statement said: “Actively promoting support for terrorist organizations clearly crosses the red line of incitement and endorsement of violence, which goes well beyond what could be considered acceptable speech, even in the context of academic freedom, and contributes to creating an already hostile environment for Jewish and Israeli students at McGill. The administration must take further steps to ensure that he is held accountable for his actions.”
Hamas’s attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killed about 1,200 people and saw 251 people taken hostage. Israel’s military campaign in Gaza since then has killed more than 63,000, according to Hamas-run health authorities.
The conflict has also fuelled tensions on Canadian campuses. Like other Montreal universities, McGill has seen frequent protests over the past two years, with some students facing discipline over disruptive demonstrations.
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The professor had publicly calling for “full economic and military support” for Hamas and Hezbollah.
Author of the article:Montreal Gazette
Montreal Gazette
Harry North
Published Sep 18, 2025 • Last updated 1 day ago • 2 minute read
A post from McGill professor William Clare Roberts on X calling for "full economic and military support for Hamas and Hezbollah."
A post from McGill professor William Clare Roberts on X calling for "full economic and military support for Hamas and Hezbollah."
A professor at McGill University has been removed from the university’s student discipline committee after publicly calling for “full economic and military support” for listed terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah.
William Clare Roberts, an associate professor of political science, had served as vice-chair of McGill’s Committee on Student Discipline, which hears cases of student misconduct. But at the first meeting of the year on Wednesday, the university’s Senate voted to replace him following controversy over his remarks.
The report from the meeting said members were unanimous in recommending Roberts’s removal. It noted that “while no wrongdoing” was alleged, his “publicly expressed personal views may reasonably be perceived, by an objective third party, as compromising his ability to exercise impartial judgment.”
It concluded his continued participation risked undermining public confidence in the fairness of the disciplinary process.
In a statement, McGill said: “Pursuant to a decision made by McGill’s Senate on Wednesday, the individual’s service responsibilities on the University’s Committee on Student Discipline have concluded. Academic freedom is central to McGill’s mission. Faculty members also have responsibilities under university policies, the positions they hold at McGill, and, more broadly, the law.”
On X, Roberts acknowledged, to his nearly 15k followers, that he had been removed. He said the move was “demanded by CIJA,” the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, adding: “I am not done fighting this.”
In a letter penned to the committee and shared with The Gazette, Roberts accused the committee of acting in a “cowardly manner and its decision “demeans (its) responsibility” to the students and institution.
He rejected suggestions that he was incapable of impartial judgment, saying he had never chaired a case connected to pro-Palestinian protests as he had recused himself because of his political beliefs. He also dismissed claims that his stance could be perceived as acting “against Jewish students,” calling the accusation “beneath my contempt.” He argued that his criticism of Israel’s military actions did not have bearing on Jewish students at McGill.
Roberts doubled down on his original remarks. He wrote that to “stop Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza,” democratic nations should be “supplying, supporting and even arming the Palestinian and Lebanese forces that can resist Israel.”
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are listed by the Canadian government as terrorist groups.
The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs welcomed the Senate’s decision. In a joint statement on X with Federation CJA, it called Roberts’s posts “extremely dangerous.”
The statement said: “Actively promoting support for terrorist organizations clearly crosses the red line of incitement and endorsement of violence, which goes well beyond what could be considered acceptable speech, even in the context of academic freedom, and contributes to creating an already hostile environment for Jewish and Israeli students at McGill. The administration must take further steps to ensure that he is held accountable for his actions.”
Hamas’s attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killed about 1,200 people and saw 251 people taken hostage. Israel’s military campaign in Gaza since then has killed more than 63,000, according to Hamas-run health authorities.
The conflict has also fuelled tensions on Canadian campuses. Like other Montreal universities, McGill has seen frequent protests over the past two years, with some students facing discipline over disruptive demonstrations.
McGill professor removed from student discipline role after pro-Hamas comments
McGill professor removed from student discipline role after pro-Hamas comments
Sumud Floatilla is 1 of others. What happened? You ran antiquated Google too rich without tweeking the timing and fucked up the plugs?Well, I’m just about to check in on Greta and all the other Greta‘s just out of curiosity.
Ok. Still a lot. A lot of mouths to feed, and various boats and yachts to fund for the sailing voyage that is several weeks in duration at least. I’m sure the logistics are a nightmare and there’s gotta be a very fat wallet behind this.
That good. It’s good to have friends, but you’ve also gotta be selective about your friends and your company, or not, I guess.
Good enough to find the greta Floella this morning, & count the various boats that may or may not join it, if that counts for anything?
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…& looks like they’re days away from the herding cats scenario in international Waters off of the coasts of Egypt and Gaza and Israel yet, assuming fair weather, and that none of them will have to be rescued before reaching that point probably by Israel (the bastards). 37 are actually sailing (or something like sailing), and another 12 may or may not join in.
Still, even if it’s just 37 that’s still a lot of boats for when everybody takes their own directional tangent when they’re about to be intercepted…for maximum chaos and propaganda purposesGlobal Sumud Flotilla Tracker
FA and members of the Investigative Commons have been monitoring the status of the Global Sumud Flotilla as it embarked on a journey to deliver aid to Gaza under the ongoing genocide and total blockade.flotilla-orpin.vercel.app
I still hear the Benny Hill theme song in my head every time I think about this Floella when it is about to be intercepted in the days to come.
(YouTube & Boots Randolph - Yakety Sax)
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Many different agendas in this Floella.
Many different agendas in the last hundred years leading up to this.
Apparently. So, what are these others (?) and do they (plural) when combined with the Sumud flotilla push the boat total count above 50?
"The God damn Germans got nothing to DO with it!"
--Jackie Gleason as Sheriff Buford T. Justice, Smokey and the Bandit
Sorry, 51? Now? Obviously?
Climate activist Greta Thunberg was removed from the Global Sumud Flotilla's Steering Committee last week, and the mission's spokesperson left the Gaza-bound vessels amid a reorientation of communications priorities.
Thunberg, who joined a previous run of the Israeli naval blockade around Gaza in June with the Madleen, appeared on the GSF's website as part of its leadership committee until at least last Sunday?
Il Manifesto, which has a correspondent aboard one of the flotilla vessels, reported on Tuesday that Thunberg was seen dragging her suitcase along a Tunis dock to transfer from the Steering Committee flagship Family to another vessel, the Alma. How dare they?!
'We all have a role: mine will not be on the board, but as an organizer and participant,' Thunberg told Il Manifesto.
Il Manifesto detailed that 'pressure is causing rifts within the organizing committee,' allegedly due to disagreements about external communication that focused too much on the flotilla’s internal affairs and not enough on the situation in Gaza? This from the media-whore look-at-me crowd? That’s interesting
Last Saturday, flotilla spokesperson Yusuf Omar announced that he would not be continuing with the flotilla but would continue to work with the organizers to raise awareness for the mission…so he’s more of a planner than a suicide vest guy.
The communications issues come after a series of troubles for the flotilla, including stormy weather, technical issues, and claims about being stalked and attacked by drones -- though Tunisian authorities disputed accounts of the latter problem.
Canada issued a declaration Sunday officially recognizing the state of Palestine, a significant shift in this country’s foreign policy that previously said that such an announcement would only come after a negotiated peace agreement between Israeli and Palestinian leaders? That sends a mixed message.
In a Sept. 16 interview, Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand said that Ottawa would recognize a Palestinian state at the UN next week despite its failure to implement any of the conditions and demands set forth in Prime Minister Mark Carney’s July 30 announcement of Canada’s recognition plan?
Carney also demanded (?) that Hamas immediately release all hostages, disarm, and “play no role in the future governance of Palestine.” None of these demands have been met.
The Prime Minister in his declaration rejected the notion that recognizing Palestine helps Hamas. “Recognizing the State of Palestine, led by the Palestinian Authority, empowers those who seek peaceful coexistence and the end of Hamas. This in no way legitimizes terrorism, nor is it any reward for it.” (???)
In a July 30 announcement, Carney said Ottawa’s “intention” to recognize was “predicated on the Palestinian Authority’s commitment” to fundamentally reform its governance, hold general elections “in which Hamas can play no part,” and demilitarize the Palestinian state. None of these commitments have been implemented.
He added that the Palestinian Authority has made “direct commitments” to Canada and other international partners to hold general elections next year, where Hamas will be barred from running candidates.
(These would be the first elections in the Palestinian territories since 2006. Polls show that Hamas is still by far the most popular political party in both Gaza and the West Bank. The prime minister reiterated his call that Hamas lay down its arms and release the remaining hostages abducted from Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, and the PA President Mahmoud Abbas is currently in the twentieth year of the single four-year term to which he was elected in 2005 (subsequent presidential elections have been cancelled))
The Palestinian Authority (PA), which the three Western countries plan to recognize, has had no control over the Gazan part of its territory since 2007 when Hamas seized power there in a bloody coup. Gaza contains over 40 per cent of the purported Palestinian state’s population. The PA thus lacks the capacity to ensure the Palestinian population abides by any agreements it enters into with other states.
Canada‘s Anita Anand explained that recognizing Palestine doesn’t mean full diplomatic relations, and that Canada will “need to see reforms coming into place before any normalization of relations occurs.” But Palestine already has a diplomatic mission on the driveway in Ottawa, listed as the Palestinian General Delegation by Global Affairs Canada. Similarly, Canada already has a diplomatic mission on Elias Odeh Street in Ramallah, headed by Graham Dattels, listed by Global Affairs Canada as “Representative of Canada to the Palestinian Authority.”
Canada’s recognition comes in tandem with other Western countries, including France (unconditional recognition) and Britain (which perversely pledged to recognize Palestine unless Israel agrees to a unilateral ceasefire), which are recognizing Palestine. All members of the Group of Seven forum of advanced economies, these countries’ recognition lends more weight to the Palestinian drive for statehood.
Australia and Belgium are also expected to recognize Palestine at or before this week’s United Nations General Assembly gathering in New York.
The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have a) a permanent population; b) a defined territory; c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and d) capacity to enter into relations with other states.
The European Council (EC) added several additional non-binding criteria in its 1991 guidelines for recognizing new states in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These include prospective states providing their citizens “the rule of law, democracy, and human rights.” Hmmm…
Canada, Britain and Australia recognize state of Palestine — The Globe and Mail
Declaration marks a significant shift in Canada’s foreign policy
Major Western allies such as Germany, Italy and Japan have also opposed recognition, arguing it should be a final step on the path toward a two-station solution.
The long-established “land for peace” legal framework for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, established by UN Security Council Resolution 242 and the Oslo Accords, provides that Palestinian statehood can only come as part of a negotiated solution to the conflict, in which Israel receives peace in return. Recognizing Palestine as a state under the current circumstances would torpedo that framework.
Nonetheless, this will be the first time some of Israel’s major allies have taken such a step and it will mean that four of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – Britain, France, Russia and China – recognize Palestine. Only the U.S. remains opposed and full UN statehood requires the support of all five members security council members.
Still over 50 for the retarded girl.Sorry, 51? Now? Obviously?
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Climate activist Greta Thunberg was removed from the Global Sumud Flotilla's Steering Committee last week, and the mission's spokesperson left the Gaza-bound vessels amid a reorientation of communications priorities.
Thunberg, who joined a previous run of the Israeli naval blockade around Gaza in June with the Madleen, appeared on the GSF's website as part of its leadership committee until at least last Sunday?
Il Manifesto, which has a correspondent aboard one of the flotilla vessels, reported on Tuesday that Thunberg was seen dragging her suitcase along a Tunis dock to transfer from the Steering Committee flagship Family to another vessel, the Alma. How dare they?!
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'We all have a role: mine will not be on the board, but as an organizer and participant,' Thunberg told Il Manifesto.
Il Manifesto detailed that 'pressure is causing rifts within the organizing committee,' allegedly due to disagreements about external communication that focused too much on the flotilla’s internal affairs and not enough on the situation in Gaza? This from the media-whore look-at-me crowd? That’s interesting
Last Saturday, flotilla spokesperson Yusuf Omar announced that he would not be continuing with the flotilla but would continue to work with the organizers to raise awareness for the mission…so he’s more of a planner than a suicide vest guy.
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The communications issues come after a series of troubles for the flotilla, including stormy weather, technical issues, and claims about being stalked and attacked by drones -- though Tunisian authorities disputed accounts of the latter problem.
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Canada issued a declaration Sunday officially recognizing the state of Palestine, a significant shift in this country’s foreign policy that previously said that such an announcement would only come after a negotiated peace agreement between Israeli and Palestinian leaders? That sends a mixed message.
In a Sept. 16 interview, Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand said that Ottawa would recognize a Palestinian state at the UN next week despite its failure to implement any of the conditions and demands set forth in Prime Minister Mark Carney’s July 30 announcement of Canada’s recognition plan?
Carney also demanded (?) that Hamas immediately release all hostages, disarm, and “play no role in the future governance of Palestine.” None of these demands have been met.
The Prime Minister in his declaration rejected the notion that recognizing Palestine helps Hamas. “Recognizing the State of Palestine, led by the Palestinian Authority, empowers those who seek peaceful coexistence and the end of Hamas. This in no way legitimizes terrorism, nor is it any reward for it.” (???)
In a July 30 announcement, Carney said Ottawa’s “intention” to recognize was “predicated on the Palestinian Authority’s commitment” to fundamentally reform its governance, hold general elections “in which Hamas can play no part,” and demilitarize the Palestinian state. None of these commitments have been implemented.
He added that the Palestinian Authority has made “direct commitments” to Canada and other international partners to hold general elections next year, where Hamas will be barred from running candidates.
(These would be the first elections in the Palestinian territories since 2006. Polls show that Hamas is still by far the most popular political party in both Gaza and the West Bank. The prime minister reiterated his call that Hamas lay down its arms and release the remaining hostages abducted from Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, and the PA President Mahmoud Abbas is currently in the twentieth year of the single four-year term to which he was elected in 2005 (subsequent presidential elections have been cancelled))
The Palestinian Authority (PA), which the three Western countries plan to recognize, has had no control over the Gazan part of its territory since 2007 when Hamas seized power there in a bloody coup. Gaza contains over 40 per cent of the purported Palestinian state’s population. The PA thus lacks the capacity to ensure the Palestinian population abides by any agreements it enters into with other states.
Canada‘s Anita Anand explained that recognizing Palestine doesn’t mean full diplomatic relations, and that Canada will “need to see reforms coming into place before any normalization of relations occurs.” But Palestine already has a diplomatic mission on the driveway in Ottawa, listed as the Palestinian General Delegation by Global Affairs Canada. Similarly, Canada already has a diplomatic mission on Elias Odeh Street in Ramallah, headed by Graham Dattels, listed by Global Affairs Canada as “Representative of Canada to the Palestinian Authority.”
Canada’s recognition comes in tandem with other Western countries, including France (unconditional recognition) and Britain (which perversely pledged to recognize Palestine unless Israel agrees to a unilateral ceasefire), which are recognizing Palestine. All members of the Group of Seven forum of advanced economies, these countries’ recognition lends more weight to the Palestinian drive for statehood.
Australia and Belgium are also expected to recognize Palestine at or before this week’s United Nations General Assembly gathering in New York.
The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have a) a permanent population; b) a defined territory; c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and d) capacity to enter into relations with other states.
The European Council (EC) added several additional non-binding criteria in its 1991 guidelines for recognizing new states in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These include prospective states providing their citizens “the rule of law, democracy, and human rights.” Hmmm…
Palestine has no internationally agreed boundaries, no capital and control is split between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
Canada, Britain and Australia recognize state of Palestine — The Globe and Mail
Declaration marks a significant shift in Canada’s foreign policy
Major Western allies such as Germany, Italy and Japan have also opposed recognition, arguing it should be a final step on the path toward a two-station solution.
The long-established “land for peace” legal framework for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, established by UN Security Council Resolution 242 and the Oslo Accords, provides that Palestinian statehood can only come as part of a negotiated solution to the conflict, in which Israel receives peace in return. Recognizing Palestine as a state under the current circumstances would torpedo that framework.
Nonetheless, this will be the first time some of Israel’s major allies have taken such a step and it will mean that four of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – Britain, France, Russia and China – recognize Palestine. Only the U.S. remains opposed and full UN statehood requires the support of all five members security council members.
Yes, 51 is over 50. I’m glad there’s something we can agree on here. Anyway, about this current flotilla…
I think these are probably safe assumptions.
This is a serious question here, & not purely being facetious (a little bit, but not purely).
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Ok. Assuming this flotilla makes it to international waters outside Gaza, & assuming it’s intercepted and ends up in an Israeli port, & assuming the boats aren’t confiscated and sold at auction and are just turned around and sent back to their respective homes, etc…
Would this flotilla even have enough supplies (including the aid they’re carrying for Gaza, etc…) to make it back to somewhere else to resupply, or would Israel have to resupply them (provisions and ecologically friendly diesel x 37 to 49 boats?) just to send them on their way?
Would the flotillas funding immediately dry up if intercepted once they’re no longer useful? I wonder what the estimated monetary value of these now 51 boats in this flotilla are?