Hamas attacks Israel

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(YouTube & Global Sumud Flotilla begins final stage of journey to Gaza)
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(I tried putting in destination of Gaza City, or Palestine Port, or Rimal, but it just confused the program)
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So sometime about Sept 20th -22nd? What a coincidence? Anyway, if nothing, it should be entertaining.
 

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Radio-Canada apologizes, suspends journalist after on-air 'antisemitic' remarks draw backlash
Her comments prompted swift condemnation from the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, and Heritage Minister Steven Guilbeault.

Author of the article:Montreal Gazette
Montreal Gazette
Harry North
Published Sep 16, 2025 • Last updated 1 day ago • 2 minute read

Radio-Canada issued an apology Tuesday and said it suspended one of its journalists after she claimed on air that “big cities” and “Hollywood” are run by Jewish people, prompting swift condemnation.

Elisa Serret was “relieved of her duties until further notice,” the French-language public broadcaster said in a statement.


During a segment of Sur le terrain that aired Monday, Serret said: “It is the Israelis, the Jews, that finance American politics a lot … The big cities are run by Jews, Hollywood is run by Jews.”


She was responding to a question from anchor Christian Latreille about why the U.S finds it difficult to distance itself from Israel. The episode was discussing the U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s recent visit to Israel.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs condemned the remarks Monday, demanding an immediate response from both Radio-Canada and federal leaders. The group wrote on X: “Antisemitism is absolutely unacceptable on Canadian airwaves, especially on our public broadcaster. Yet these words were aired earlier today.”

Eta Yudin, vice president for Quebec at CIJA, said Tuesday: “This incident must not conclude without internal reflection on the harm caused to our shared values by such discourse.”


She added: “Antisemitism is eroding our society. Its presence is, however, fueled by the climate that nurtures it. We expect CBC/Radio-Canada to understand this and ensure that such remarks, as well as anything that may have enabled them to be broadcast, no longer have free rein.”

Heritage Minister Steven Guilbeault later issued a statement, saying that “antisemitism has no place in Canada.”

He added the public broadcaster “belongs to all Canadians, and as leaders, we have a responsibility to hold it to account and demand the highest standards in journalism.”

“The words used last night were pernicious antisemitic tropes and have absolutely no place on Canadian airwaves,” Guilbeault said. “When antisemitic language is used by journalists, or anyone in a position of trust, it risks normalizing hatred in deeply dangerous ways.”


In its statement Tuesday, Radio-Canada said Serret’s comments “led to stereotypical, antisemitic, erroneous and harmful allegations against Jewish communities.

“These unacceptable comments contravene Radio-Canada’s Standards and Journalistic Practices and in no way reflect the opinion of the public broadcaster. As a result, the Information Directorate has taken the decision to relieve the journalist from her duties until further notice.

“We are aware that these comments have shocked many viewers. We are sincerely sorry and apologize for this.”

According to her LinkedIn profile, Serret has been with Radio-Canada since 2014.

The Gazette has contacted Serret for comment, but did not hear back by publication time.
 

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It was over 60 vessels a week ago. Gotta be 70 or 80 Gretas by now.
Or 20 or 200 or 35 or 350. Your guess is as good as anybody’s.
Minimum of 60 Gretas.
If it was over 60 Greta’s a week ago, it sounds like they’re up to 42 now with maybe two more joining them so maybe 44 then.
(YouTube & Global Sumud Flotilla drops anchor until tomorrow due to bad weather conditions) Don’t wanna get into the Benny Hill position ‘till Monday, & 42 or 44 is still a lot if the plan is to all take different course tangents when approached. We probably won’t know the real number until the auction catalogue of boats is released by the Israeli government.
(YouTube & Indiana Jones Boat Chase)
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The sandwiches couldn’t have been that bad?
(YouTube & Iranian Activist: Gaza Freedom Flotilla Members Are “Offering Their Lives in Sacrifice”)
 

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If it was over 60 Greta’s a week ago, it sounds like they’re up to 42 now with maybe two more joining them so maybe 44 then.
(YouTube & Global Sumud Flotilla drops anchor until tomorrow due to bad weather conditions) Don’t wanna get into the Benny Hill position ‘till Monday, & 42 or 44 is still a lot if the plan is to all take different course tangents when approached. We probably won’t know the real number until the auction catalogue of boats is released by the Israeli government.
(YouTube & Indiana Jones Boat Chase)
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The sandwiches couldn’t have been that bad?
(YouTube & Iranian Activist: Gaza Freedom Flotilla Members Are “Offering Their Lives in Sacrifice”)

Over 50 boats (59) from 44 countries.

The Global Sumud Flotilla, launched in mid-2025 to challenge the Israeli blockade of Gaza and deliver humanitarian aid, comprises more than 50 vessels from over 44 countries, with around 1,000 participants. It unites groups like the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, Global Movement to Gaza, and Maghreb Sumud Flotilla. Departures included 20 boats from Barcelona (August 30, 2025), vessels from Sicily (17 on September 14), Greece (2 on September 15), and Tunisia (over 20 from September 13–15), carrying about 300–500 tons of aid like food, medicine, and baby formula. Some reports note around 40 boats en route as of September 16, but the total committed exceeds 50.

Apparently the retarded girl has plenty of friends.

Shitamar Ben-Gvir is upset (see post below)

How is the Model T of search engines working for you? It's time to park Google out behind the barn with the wagon and cutter.
 
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Shitamar Ben-Gvir's Stance on the Global Sumud Flotilla

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel's far-right National Socialist Security Minister, has aggressively opposed the Global Sumud Flotilla—a humanitarian aid mission to Gaza—labeling its participants as "terrorists" or "supporters of terrorism." His proposed plan, presented to the Israeli cabinet on September 1, 2025, aims to deter future efforts by imposing harsh penalties, including designating activists as terrorists, detaining them in high-security prisons (such as Ketziot and Damon), and seizing the boats for repurposing as Israeli police vessels. Ben-Gvir has stated that participants will face "no soft arrests or quiet returns," with conditions denying privileges like television, radio, or specialized food, to "create a clear deterrent" against aiding what he calls Hamas.8ad7bb626b54e5efa4

Key Elements of Ben-Gvir's Plan
Terrorist Designation: Activists would be treated under anti-terrorism laws, potentially leading to prolonged detention without quick deportation.

Detention Conditions: Held in facilities for suspected terrorists, emphasizing discomfort to discourage repeats.
Vessel Seizure: Boats could be converted into a "police fleet" for Israeli maritime operations.

Rationale:
Ben-Gvir views the flotilla as a "media provocation" and violation of Israeli sovereignty, equating aid delivery with support for Hamas.f8d2e4a68462e3874c
This approach echoes Israel's past interceptions, like the 2010 Mavi Marmara raid (which killed 10 activists), and recent actions against smaller flotillas in June 2025, where vessels were seized and crews deported.dd21d79c92d2

International and Flotilla Response
The Global Sumud Flotilla coalition has condemned Ben-Gvir's threats as "baseless" and a "blatant violation of international humanitarian law and the Geneva Conventions," vowing the mission is "humanitarian, lawful, and unstoppable."fea45c0e7b615e14c9

UN experts have urged Israel to protect participants and allow unhindered aid delivery, warning of accountability for any blockade.960055

On September 9, two flotilla boats in Tunisia were reportedly struck by drones (causing fires but no injuries), which organizers called "targeted intimidation"—though Israel has not confirmed involvement.4c7973296f67

Italian dockworkers have threatened to blockade Mediterranean ports and halt shipments to Israel if the flotilla is intercepted, citing solidarity with the mission.ee44c2625473

Prominent figures like Greta Thunberg (on board) and MEPs from Italy, France, and Ireland have joined, amplifying global scrutiny.62c54081a8b426f401

Flotilla Overview (as of September 19, 2025)
The flotilla, uniting groups like the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, departed from ports in Spain, Italy, Greece, and Tunisia starting late August 2025. It carries ~500 tons of aid (food, medicine, baby formula) for Gaza's starving population amid Israel's blockade and ongoing conflict (over 64,000 Palestinian deaths reported).dbc3d27a3a3f

As of September 15, ~34 boats with 600 participants from 44+ countries were en route, though the full commitment exceeds 50 vessels.de9131d62c70

No confirmed interception has occurred yet, but tensions remain high as boats near Gaza waters.

WTF is he going to do when the UN decides to send troops come Monday? Shoot Canadian and othe contingent forces in the balls like they do Gazan boys whose balls have yet to drop?
 
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Israel ain't what it used to be. Back in the day, it cheerfully fired on U.S. Navy ships. Nowadays, they can't even muster the spine to sink a few civilian boats.
Hey hey hey. Israel had no idea it was an American ship. They thought it was terrorists even though they shot the fuck out of "Old Gloryhole" as it waved in the sun on clear day.
 

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It was a bad idea to illegally occupy West Bank for 58 years through State spsored terrorism. It spurred a fuck tonne of retaliation has it not?

Do you know of any other society who would protest in opposition of soldiers being detained for butt fucking prisoners?


Meanwhile...

Overview of Allegations and Investigations

The query refers to allegations of rapes and sexual violence during the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack on southern Israel, which killed about 1,200 people and took over 240 hostages. These claims emerged immediately after the attack, amplified by Israeli officials, media, and some international outlets.

However, investigations have revealed a complex picture: credible evidence of some instances of sexual violence exists, but many specific high-profile claims have been debunked or lack substantiation.

No comprehensive forensic or survivor-led prosecutions have resulted, largely due to the chaos of the attack, rapid burials for religious reasons, and the death of most alleged victims.

Below, I summarize key findings from diverse sources, including UN reports, Israeli investigations, and critical analyses, representing Israeli, Palestinian, and neutral perspectives.

Key Evidence Supporting Sexual Violence
Multiple independent investigations have identified "reasonable grounds" for believing some rapes and sexual assaults occurred, based on witness testimonies, forensic patterns, and confessions. However, these do not confirm "mass" or "systematic" rapes as initially claimed.

UN Mission Report (Pramila Patten, March 2024): The UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict visited Israel and found "reasonable grounds" to believe rape and gang rape occurred at multiple sites, including the Nova music festival, kibbutzim (e.g., Re'im, Nir Oz), and the Nahal Oz base.

Evidence included:
Eyewitness accounts of gang rapes and mutilations (e.g., a festival witness describing a woman being raped and shot).
Forensic patterns: Bodies (mostly women) found naked from the waist down, bound, shot in the head/genitals, with signs of genital trauma or semen.

Confessions from two interrogated militants admitting to rapes.

Released hostages reported sexual assaults in captivity (e.g., threats, forced nudity, at least one confirmed rape). The report stressed this was not a full investigation and called for one, noting no direct survivor interviews from October 7 itself due to trauma or death.

Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel (ARCCI) Report (February 2024): Analyzed 1,500 testimonies and visual evidence, concluding "systematic, targeted sexual abuse" of women. It cited:
At least seven sites with assaults/mutilations.

Hamas videos showing naked, bloodied women.

First-responder accounts of broken pelvises, bruises, and cuts indicating assault.

New York Times Investigation (December 2023): Verified video evidence and interviews with 150+ people, documenting a "pattern" of rape and mutilation at the festival and kibbutzim.

Examples:
Gal Abdush's body (festival victim) showed signs of rape per police analysis.
Eyewitness "Witness S" described a gang rape and execution.

Israeli Police (Lahav 433 Unit): Collected 50,000+ images and 1,500 testimonies by December 2023, stating sexual crimes were "part of the planning" to terrorize.

Interrogations of seven militants yielded confessions of assaults.

International Criminal Court (ICC, May 2024): Prosecutor Karim Khan sought warrants for Hamas leaders (e.g., Mohammed Deif), citing "reasonable grounds" for rape as a crime against humanity, based on hostage accounts and attack-site evidence.

Recent Reports (2025): The Dinah Project (Israeli gender experts) reviewed 17 incidents, including survivor testimony of an attempted rape and 15 ex-hostage accounts, calling it a "genocidal strategy." A UN Secretary-General report (April 2024) listed Hamas for verified sexual violence in at least six locations.

These findings align with patterns in other conflicts (e.g., Bosnia), where rape is used for humiliation, but quantifying exact numbers is impossible without full autopsies.

Debunked or Unsubstantiated Claims
Many early sensational stories, often from ZAKA (Israeli volunteer body handlers lacking forensic training), were later retracted or disproven.

Critics (e.g., Al Jazeera's I-Unit, Electronic Intifada) argue these fueled propaganda to justify Israel's Gaza response. Hamas denies all allegations.

Claim
Details
Status
Source
Widespread/systematic mass rape
Initial reports of "dozens" or "hundreds" of rapes, including orders to Hamas fighters.
Insufficient evidence for scale; isolated incidents possible, but not proven systematic.

No prosecutions filed as of 2025. Israeli prosecutor Moran Gaz (Team 710) stated no identifiable victims or cases in January 2025.

Al Jazeera I-Unit (March 2024); Haaretz (April 2024); AP (May 2024)da1f3e705664df224d

Pregnant woman mutilated (baby cut out)
ZAKA volunteer Yossi Landau claimed a fetus was beheaded.

Debunked; video was from a 2021 Mexican cartel killing.

AP (May 2024); The Intercept (February 2024)2b537abd3450

Teen girl raped in Kibbutz Be'eri
ZAKA's Chaim Otmazgin described a body with pants down as rape evidence.
Retracted; family confirmed no assault—pants down from fleeing.
PBS/AP (May 2024); Haaretz (December 2023)cfb4d0529d8b

Festival witness "Esther" gang rape account
Described hiding and seeing a rape.
Partially walked back; witness later said she "assumed" details and regretted fueling doubt.

Wikipedia (citing Le Parisien/BBC); AP (May 2024)f5ddfd

Genital mutilation pattern
Claims of soldiers/babies shot in genitals.
No discernible pattern found; some injuries verified but not systematic.

UN Patten Report (March 2024)282380
Broader Context on Debunking: An AP/PBS investigation (May 2024) traced two ZAKA stories to chaos, not malice, but noted they eroded trust. Physicians for Human Rights Israel (May 2024) retracted parts of its November 2023 paper for "unverifiable" testimonies. Haaretz (April 2024) compiled all evidence: 15 witnesses, three confessions, but no living named rape victims from the day itself (one hostage case stands). Al Jazeera (March 2024) concluded "isolated rapes may have taken place" but not widespread.

Challenges and Broader Implications
Why Limited Proof? Most victims died; bodies were buried quickly (halachic reasons), limiting forensics. Trauma silences survivors. The UN noted the "true prevalence may never be fully known."

Political Weaponization: Israel has accused the UN/media of bias for not emphasizing claims enough; critics say exaggerations justified Gaza operations (57,000+ Palestinian deaths as of 2025). Hamas's denial and lack of internal probes add opacity.

Ongoing Risks: UN/ICC reports highlight continued sexual violence against hostages (e.g., "sexualized torture"). Conversely, a UN Commission (June 2024) documented Israeli sexual violence against Palestinians since October 7, including in detentions.
In summary, while some sexual violence is substantiated by patterns and testimonies, no "proven" rapes have led to convictions, and exaggerated claims have been discredited.

Full accountability requires independent probes, as urged by the UN. For deeper reading, see the UN Patten Report or Haaretz's April 2024 compilation.
 
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