Charlie Kirk Shot
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Obama warned that the response to Kirk’s assassination last week, which has kicked off a debate about free speech and the incitement to violence, could serve to deepen political and cultural divisions.
The White House responded to Obama’s remarks by blaming him for animosity in the country, calling him “the architect of modern political division in America”.
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In the aftermath of Kirk’s killing, political leaders including the House speaker, Mike Johnson, Joe Biden and George Bush called for an end to political violence and a return to reasonable debate to lower the political temperature in the US.
Obama sought to hold a middle ground in his remarks, praising Utah’s governor, Spencer Cox, who he said showed “that it is possible for us to disagree while abiding by a basic code of how we should engage in public debate”.
The desire to identify an enemy, Obama indicated, was misplaced. “We’re going to suggest that somehow that enemy was at fault, and we are then going to use that as a rationale for trying to silence discussion around who we are as a country and what direction we should go,” Obama said. “And that’s a mistake as well.”
“Obama used every opportunity to sow division and pit Americans against each other, and following his presidency more Americans felt Obama divided the country than felt he united it,” said Abigail Jackson, a White House spokesperson, in a statement.
Oh well…Obama on Tuesday also referenced Trump’s recent deployment of national guard troops in Washington and ID checks by federal agents in Los Angeles. He urged citizens and elected officials to closely monitor the norm-busting decisions.
“What you’re seeing, I think, is the sense that through executive power, many of the guardrails and norms that I thought I had to abide by as president of the United States, that George Bush thought he had to abide by as president of the United States, that suddenly those no longer apply,” Obama said. “And that makes this a dangerous moment.”
The White House responded to Obama’s remarks by blaming him for animosity in the country, calling him “the architect of modern political division in America”.
Obama says Trump deepened US divide in rush to ‘identify enemy’ after Charlie Kirk shooting — Guardian US
Ex-president says US in ‘dangerous moment’, after White House response to killings of Kirk and Melissa Hortman
Obama sought to hold a middle ground in his remarks, praising Utah’s governor, Spencer Cox, who he said showed “that it is possible for us to disagree while abiding by a basic code of how we should engage in public debate”.
The desire to identify an enemy, Obama indicated, was misplaced. “We’re going to suggest that somehow that enemy was at fault, and we are then going to use that as a rationale for trying to silence discussion around who we are as a country and what direction we should go,” Obama said. “And that’s a mistake as well.”
“Obama used every opportunity to sow division and pit Americans against each other, and following his presidency more Americans felt Obama divided the country than felt he united it,” said Abigail Jackson, a White House spokesperson, in a statement.
Oh well…Obama on Tuesday also referenced Trump’s recent deployment of national guard troops in Washington and ID checks by federal agents in Los Angeles. He urged citizens and elected officials to closely monitor the norm-busting decisions.
“What you’re seeing, I think, is the sense that through executive power, many of the guardrails and norms that I thought I had to abide by as president of the United States, that George Bush thought he had to abide by as president of the United States, that suddenly those no longer apply,” Obama said. “And that makes this a dangerous moment.”
Well, the Trump administration is gagging the media now, in direct violation of the First Amendment.
I guess we'll be Canada pretty soon.
I guess we'll be Canada pretty soon.
Cancel culture is alive and well on both sides of the aisle both left and right.
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ABC drops 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' indefinitely over host's Charlie Kirk remarks — Los Angeles Times
Kimmel said on his Monday telecast that the suspect in Charlie Kirk's killing might have been a pro-Trump Republican.
The irony?
Charles Kirk would have wanted to debate Kimmel and his comments instead of silencing him.
Charles Kirk would have wanted to debate Kimmel and his comments instead of silencing him.
His Bill Maher interview on Club Random was excellent. Even the sluts on the Whatever podcast were blown away and thanked him for his respect.
The left got the jump down here, until a lifelong con man tapped into the desperate fury of Wal-Mart shoppers.Cancel culture is alive and well on both sides of the aisle both left and right.
ABC drops 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' indefinitely over host's Charlie Kirk remarks — Los Angeles Times
Kimmel said on his Monday telecast that the suspect in Charlie Kirk's killing might have been a pro-Trump Republican.
In my opinion the things Kirk said were, well, vile, etc, etc ad nauseum things that've been heard before.
But that doesn't mean I thought he should die for it.
Held to account, yes; killed no.
And that's the position of most sensible people "on the left".
But it's sad/funny how the right is now screaming for monitored/censured speech when for years they were the girls screaming about Free Speech...
But that doesn't mean I thought he should die for it.
Held to account, yes; killed no.
And that's the position of most sensible people "on the left".
But it's sad/funny how the right is now screaming for monitored/censured speech when for years they were the girls screaming about Free Speech...
RIP Charlie. You're integrity, honesty & compassion will continue & you'll be missed.
Please tell me you didnt buy into the stoning trans people lie? He never said it.
Meanwhile shop and compare reactions....
Where are the riots, flipped and burned cop cars, lootings and violence or upcoming acts of "peaceful protest"? I want in on the looting.
My wife wants a locket with matching earrings from Tiffany's for her birthday. Do you know of any blog sites, I'll book it if necessay. It'll be cheaper than buying.
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And listening to Charlie only proved at what a wonderful human being he was. He was never rude, simply asking students why they thought the way they did & encouraged them to THINK FOR THEMSELVES. That's pretty much it. He gave his perspective on things & if you didn't agree with him, he was fine with that. It's unconscionable that there is so much hate out there, not only for Charlie, but for the conservative POV. Apparently, we're all Hitlers & fascists which of course isn't true, but I guess if repeated enough there are those out there with "issues" that will take it upon themselves to act. All one has to do is listen to the montage of Mainstream media morons claiming & accusing him of things that Charlie supposedly said. They never provide the proof because they can't. They're simply morons repeating B.S. & it's disgusting!
If we were such horrible people, why are all the mass shooters NOT CONSERVATIVE including this one? Hmmmm?
Obama warned that the response to Kirk’s assassination last week, which has kicked off a debate about free speech and the incitement to violence, could serve to deepen political and cultural divisions.
The White House responded to Obama’s remarks by blaming him for animosity in the country, calling him “the architect of modern political division in America”.
In the aftermath of Kirk’s killing, political leaders including the House speaker, Mike Johnson, Joe Biden and George Bush called for an end to political violence and a return to reasonable debate to lower the political temperature in the US.Obama says Trump deepened US divide in rush to ‘identify enemy’ after Charlie Kirk shooting — Guardian US
Ex-president says US in ‘dangerous moment’, after White House response to killings of Kirk and Melissa Hortman
Obama sought to hold a middle ground in his remarks, praising Utah’s governor, Spencer Cox, who he said showed “that it is possible for us to disagree while abiding by a basic code of how we should engage in public debate”.
The desire to identify an enemy, Obama indicated, was misplaced. “We’re going to suggest that somehow that enemy was at fault, and we are then going to use that as a rationale for trying to silence discussion around who we are as a country and what direction we should go,” Obama said. “And that’s a mistake as well.”
“Obama used every opportunity to sow division and pit Americans against each other, and following his presidency more Americans felt Obama divided the country than felt he united it,” said Abigail Jackson, a White House spokesperson, in a statement.
Oh well…Obama on Tuesday also referenced Trump’s recent deployment of national guard troops in Washington and ID checks by federal agents in Los Angeles. He urged citizens and elected officials to closely monitor the norm-busting decisions.
“What you’re seeing, I think, is the sense that through executive power, many of the guardrails and norms that I thought I had to abide by as president of the United States, that George Bush thought he had to abide by as president of the United States, that suddenly those no longer apply,” Obama said. “And that makes this a dangerous moment.”
Trump and Trudeau shared a similar mindset, despite their differing politics.
Every chicken has two wings but in the end its the same chicken.
In Russia its a two headed chicken.
The murder of Charlie Kirk saddens me because we need dialogue. If you choose to hide inside a box, that is where you will stay.
It might be safe, but it isn't living.
It might be safe, but it isn't living.
Positive Aspects: Patience and Openness
Kirk's defenders highlight his willingness to listen and his restraint in high-stakes settings, often contrasting him with more combative figures like Ben Shapiro. He frequently allowed opponents ample time to speak, even when they stumbled, and emphasized that "violence is not an option" in disagreements.
Non-Interruptive Style:
In a 2021 debate with socialist Ben Burgis on healthcare and unions, Kirk was described as "ideal" for not interrupting, avoiding personal attacks, or grandstanding. Burgis, despite profound disagreements, admired Kirk's commitment to hashing out ideas.fb1eb2 Similarly, during campus Q&As, Kirk often paused for nervous questioners, saying things like, "It's okay, go ahead," without pouncing on errors.842f5a
Inviting All Views:
Kirk's events were open mics for dissent, treating participants respectfully even if their arguments faltered. Supporters argue this exposed weaknesses in opposing positions without malice, as seen in a 2024 clip where he debated a room of liberal college students without raising his voice or using insults.0cb7b3
Post-death tributes on X echoed this: "He would answer any question and talk to everyone," per VP J.D. Vance.6d5ed2
Modeling Civility:
A Newsweek roundtable noted his "mostly civil" tone, crediting him with advancing "reasoned discussion" amid hostility he faced.df8ae5
Cambridge students who debated him in May 2025 mourned his loss while respecting his "commitment to the power of debate," despite ideological clashes on abortion and women's rights.7a925b
These elements made Kirk a "firebrand of critical thinking," per one observer, fostering dialogue in echo-chamber-prone environments.48341c
Just stumbled across this by accident without looking for it tonight.
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I would sure like you to provide examples of these vile ,etc.,ad nauseum so I can make up my mind about this obviously vicious far right extremist.
Foreign disinformation about Kirk’s killing seeks to widen U.S. divisions
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
David Klepper
Published Sep 17, 2025 • 4 minute read
Russia moved to amplify online conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's killing just hours after it happened.
WASHINGTON — Russia moved to amplify online conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk’s killing just hours after it happened, seeding social media with the frightening claim that America is slipping into civil war.
Chinese and pro-Iranian groups also spread disinformation about the shooting, with those loyal to Iran’s interests backing antisemitic conspiracy theories while bots linked to Beijing claimed that Kirk’s death shows that the United States is violent, polarized and dysfunctional.
America’s adversaries have long used fake social media accounts, online bots and disinformation to depict the U.S. as a dangerous country beset with extremism and gun violence. Kirk’s killing has provided another opportunity for those overseas eager to shape public understanding while inflaming political polarization.
“Charlie Kirk’s Death and the Coming Civil War,” tweeted Russian ultranationalist Alexander Dugin, whose influence earned him the moniker ” Putin’s brain,” referring to Russia’s president. Pro-Russian bots blamed Democrats and predicted more violence. Russian state media published English-language articles with headlines claiming a conspiracy orchestrated by shadowy forces: “Was Charlie Kirk’s Killer a Pro?”
Foreign disinformation makes up a tiny fraction of the overall online discussion about Kirk’s death, but it could undermine any efforts to heal political divisions or even spur further violence.
“We’ve seen multiple Russian campaigns attempting to exploit” Kirk’s killing, said Joseph Bodnar, senior research manager at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. In many cases, the campaigns aren’t adding new claims but are recycling ones that emerged from American users. “They’re picking up domestic actors and amplifying them.”
Adversaries tailor disinformation
In each case, those spreading the disinformation have tailored it for their own ends. Chinese propaganda has focused on the violent nature of Kirk’s death, painting the U.S. as a nation of violent gun owners and political extremists.
Russian voices have tried to tie Kirk’s death to U.S. support for Ukraine, even spreading a conspiracy theory that the Ukrainian government killed Kirk because of his criticism of that aid.
Pro-Iranian groups took a different tack, claiming Israel was behind Kirk’s death and that the suspect was set up to take the fall. This conspiracy theory caught on with white supremacist groups in the U.S., showing how corrosive claims can easily spread online despite oceans and linguistic and cultural barriers.
The influence campaigns come as the U.S. has rolled back government efforts to expose foreign disinformation.
On Wednesday the State Department announced it was ending its remaining efforts to counter foreign disinformation, following a decision earlier this year to shutter the Global Engagement Center, an office that had called out Russian, Chinese and Iranian disinformation in the past. Republicans had targeted the center and its mission because of what they said was its censorship of conservative ideas.
False and misleading claims can spread quickly following big news events as people go online to look for information. Artificial intelligence programs that can create lifelike video and audio can make it even harder to find the truth, as can AI chatbots that routinely offer up false information.
It happened again following Kirk’s killing, when misinformation about the shooting and the suspect quickly spread online.
In recent years, groups looking to spread confusion or distrust have seized on hurricanes, wars, the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, the COVID-19 pandemic and other disasters, as well as the attempted assassinations of President Donald Trump.
The details vary, but the conspiracy theories pushed by foreign adversaries all suggest American institutions — the government, the media, law enforcement, health care — are failing and can no longer be trusted, and that more violence is likely.
Calls for social media companies to crack down
Regardless of the source of the information, social media companies should do more to stop both foreign disinformation and domestic calls for violence, said Imran Ahmed, CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which tracks online disinformation.
Posts calling for retaliatory violence following Kirk’s death have been seen 43 million times on X alone, according to the center’s research, though it can’t say which posts came from foreign sources.
Platforms like X “are failing catastrophically to limit the reach of posts that celebrate murder and mayhem,” Ahmed said.
Russia, China and Iran have all denied targeting Americans with disinformation. Officials in China have pushed back on claims that Chinese social media bots are being used to amplify false claims about the Kirk shooting.
“China condemns all unlawful and violent acts. That said, we firmly oppose some US politicians accusing China of ‘instilling disinformation and encouraging violence,'” a spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry posted on X.
Russia likewise rejected the accusations of spreading misinformation about Kirk’s death. A.V. Bondarev, a spokesperson for Russia’s embassy in Washington, wrote in an email to The Associated Press that “Russia does not interfere and does not intend to interfere in the internal affairs of other states, including the United States.”
“We consider it unacceptable that this tragedy is being used as a pretext to fuel anti-Russian hysteria,” Bondarev wrote.
For authorities trying to keep the public informed, the false claims about Kirk’s death are a potentially dangerous effort to hijack American discourse.
“There is a tremendous amount of disinformation we are tracking,” Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, said at a recent press conference about Kirk’s killing. “What we are seeing is our adversaries want violence. We have bots from Russia, China, all over the world that are trying to instill disinformation and encourage violence.”
Cox urged people to ignore bogus claims that seem designed to elicit fear — and suggested that Americans log off social media and spend time with family instead.
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Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
David Klepper
Published Sep 17, 2025 • 4 minute read
Russia moved to amplify online conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's killing just hours after it happened.
WASHINGTON — Russia moved to amplify online conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk’s killing just hours after it happened, seeding social media with the frightening claim that America is slipping into civil war.
Chinese and pro-Iranian groups also spread disinformation about the shooting, with those loyal to Iran’s interests backing antisemitic conspiracy theories while bots linked to Beijing claimed that Kirk’s death shows that the United States is violent, polarized and dysfunctional.
America’s adversaries have long used fake social media accounts, online bots and disinformation to depict the U.S. as a dangerous country beset with extremism and gun violence. Kirk’s killing has provided another opportunity for those overseas eager to shape public understanding while inflaming political polarization.
“Charlie Kirk’s Death and the Coming Civil War,” tweeted Russian ultranationalist Alexander Dugin, whose influence earned him the moniker ” Putin’s brain,” referring to Russia’s president. Pro-Russian bots blamed Democrats and predicted more violence. Russian state media published English-language articles with headlines claiming a conspiracy orchestrated by shadowy forces: “Was Charlie Kirk’s Killer a Pro?”
Foreign disinformation makes up a tiny fraction of the overall online discussion about Kirk’s death, but it could undermine any efforts to heal political divisions or even spur further violence.
“We’ve seen multiple Russian campaigns attempting to exploit” Kirk’s killing, said Joseph Bodnar, senior research manager at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. In many cases, the campaigns aren’t adding new claims but are recycling ones that emerged from American users. “They’re picking up domestic actors and amplifying them.”
Adversaries tailor disinformation
In each case, those spreading the disinformation have tailored it for their own ends. Chinese propaganda has focused on the violent nature of Kirk’s death, painting the U.S. as a nation of violent gun owners and political extremists.
Russian voices have tried to tie Kirk’s death to U.S. support for Ukraine, even spreading a conspiracy theory that the Ukrainian government killed Kirk because of his criticism of that aid.
Pro-Iranian groups took a different tack, claiming Israel was behind Kirk’s death and that the suspect was set up to take the fall. This conspiracy theory caught on with white supremacist groups in the U.S., showing how corrosive claims can easily spread online despite oceans and linguistic and cultural barriers.
The influence campaigns come as the U.S. has rolled back government efforts to expose foreign disinformation.
On Wednesday the State Department announced it was ending its remaining efforts to counter foreign disinformation, following a decision earlier this year to shutter the Global Engagement Center, an office that had called out Russian, Chinese and Iranian disinformation in the past. Republicans had targeted the center and its mission because of what they said was its censorship of conservative ideas.
False and misleading claims can spread quickly following big news events as people go online to look for information. Artificial intelligence programs that can create lifelike video and audio can make it even harder to find the truth, as can AI chatbots that routinely offer up false information.
It happened again following Kirk’s killing, when misinformation about the shooting and the suspect quickly spread online.
In recent years, groups looking to spread confusion or distrust have seized on hurricanes, wars, the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, the COVID-19 pandemic and other disasters, as well as the attempted assassinations of President Donald Trump.
The details vary, but the conspiracy theories pushed by foreign adversaries all suggest American institutions — the government, the media, law enforcement, health care — are failing and can no longer be trusted, and that more violence is likely.
Calls for social media companies to crack down
Regardless of the source of the information, social media companies should do more to stop both foreign disinformation and domestic calls for violence, said Imran Ahmed, CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which tracks online disinformation.
Posts calling for retaliatory violence following Kirk’s death have been seen 43 million times on X alone, according to the center’s research, though it can’t say which posts came from foreign sources.
Platforms like X “are failing catastrophically to limit the reach of posts that celebrate murder and mayhem,” Ahmed said.
Russia, China and Iran have all denied targeting Americans with disinformation. Officials in China have pushed back on claims that Chinese social media bots are being used to amplify false claims about the Kirk shooting.
“China condemns all unlawful and violent acts. That said, we firmly oppose some US politicians accusing China of ‘instilling disinformation and encouraging violence,'” a spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry posted on X.
Russia likewise rejected the accusations of spreading misinformation about Kirk’s death. A.V. Bondarev, a spokesperson for Russia’s embassy in Washington, wrote in an email to The Associated Press that “Russia does not interfere and does not intend to interfere in the internal affairs of other states, including the United States.”
“We consider it unacceptable that this tragedy is being used as a pretext to fuel anti-Russian hysteria,” Bondarev wrote.
For authorities trying to keep the public informed, the false claims about Kirk’s death are a potentially dangerous effort to hijack American discourse.
“There is a tremendous amount of disinformation we are tracking,” Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, said at a recent press conference about Kirk’s killing. “What we are seeing is our adversaries want violence. We have bots from Russia, China, all over the world that are trying to instill disinformation and encourage violence.”
Cox urged people to ignore bogus claims that seem designed to elicit fear — and suggested that Americans log off social media and spend time with family instead.
Foreign disinformation about Kirk’s killing seeks to widen U.S. divisions
Russia moved to amplify online conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's killing just hours after it happened.