Like this, etc…?
Good, & overdue, & isn’t that what Israel is also asking for?
Just your JKK & no one else?
Hamas attacks Israel
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I must say, this discussion has reminded my of why I don't participate much in discussions like this.
No. Israel is not asking for UN blue helmets. That's the last thing they want.
Netanyahu says he’s on a ‘historic and spiritual mission,’ also feels a connection to vision of Greater Israel
12 Aug 2025, 8:20 pm
Conspiracy theory....
What is Great Iarael and what stands in the way? Kalahari Bushmen?
JKK and Christian nutjobs and all involved in inducing the "End Times".
Isn’t that what your buddy Bibi is asking for? One of his five demands in the negotiation? I think it’s number four or number five on that list of his.
Didn’t specify NATO, but did specify that he wanted independent peacekeepers, or some term the equivalent there of.
He had a big paper board, & a pointer, & I think five points on it that he pointed out one after another. That sounds familiar?
How do figure Netanyahu wants shit in the negotiations when he just illegally bombed the negotiation in a sovereign country 3 days ago?
Blue Helmets means Palestinian sovereignty and a West Bank withdrawal. Netanyahu wants that?
You aren't making sense.
From what I understand, he wants somebody other than Israel to step in and police that hot mess. The UN is somebody other than Israel. Win-Win.
Like whom? A PMC like Wagner or Blackwater he (USA) pays for so control can appear farmed out?
Show me blue helmets.
Iran is being difficult and buying air defense assets from Russia and China
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Or a coalition or other Arab nations that can guarantee the security of Gaza & Israel.
Here I thought everyone wanted this to end?
Meh…this is from a month ago or more, and I was trying to recall what those last two lines said, etc…do you honestly think that if somebody was gonna step up to the plate to police Gaza & provide guaranteed security for both Gaza and Israel, these Israelis wouldn’t be all over that? Have Gaza become somebody else’s problem, & know that rockets and missiles wouldn’t be flying out of there periodically into Israel?
I hear you. It is entertaining though. Anyway, would Hamas go for Blue Helmet UN Peace Keepers and disarm, or is this just another way to draw this out longer?
So…If the world, or the UN, or whomever, rewards Hamas/Iran for Oct 7th, & establishes a Palestinian state, whatever that actually means, would Hamas disarm and disband (?) or is this just another propaganda stalling point?
OK, so the UN declares Palestine at state in the next week…then what? Where does Hamas fit into that (?) or does it?
Israel considers the disarmament of Hamas one of several key conditions for any deal to end the conflict. The Palestinian armed group (guess which one?) said it was responding to remarks it attributed to US President Donald Trump's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff that Hamas had "expressed its willingness" to lay down its weapons.
Hamas has reaffirmed that it will not agree to disarm unless a sovereign Palestinian state is established, in response to one of Israel's key demands in talks about a ceasefire in Gaza, so let’s assume that PR stunt happens in the next week. Then what?
Hamas - a proscribed terror group in the US, UK and EU - said in its statement that it could not yield its right to "resistance and its weapons" unless an "independent, fully sovereign Palestinian state with Jerusalem as it’s capital" was established.
Why Jerusalem? Why not? Maybe the UN will vote on that too? Guess that vote (on Palestine without Hamas) already happened.
The United Nations General Assembly on Friday (yesterday) overwhelmingly endorsed a declaration outlining “tangible, time-bound and irreversible steps” toward a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians, without the involvement of Hamas. Israel rejected the declaration, calling it a prize for the terror group.
One hundred and forty-two countries voted in favor of the non-binding resolution enshrining the New York Declaration, which also calls on Hamas to release all hostages and condemns the terror group’s October 7, 2023, onslaught.
The declaration, which was endorsed by the Arab League and co-signed in July by 17 UN member states, including several Arab countries, also goes further than condemning Hamas, seeking to fully excise the terror group from leadership in Gaza.
“In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State,” the declaration stated.
The United States described the vote as “yet another misguided and ill-timed publicity stunt” that undermined serious diplomatic efforts to end the conflict.
“Make no mistake, this resolution is a gift to Hamas,” US diplomat Morgan Ortagus told the General Assembly. “Far from promoting peace, the conference has already prolonged the war, emboldened Hamas, and harmed the prospects of peace in both the short and long term.”
Palestinian Authority Vice President Hussein al-Sheikh welcomed the vote, writing on X, “This resolution expresses international willingness to support our people’s rights and constitutes an important step towards ending the occupation and achieving our independent state on 1967 borders with (Israeli-annexed) EAST Jerusalem as its capital.”
Oh, so not Jerusalem as its capital, but EAST Jerusalem as its capital. Well, that’s interesting all by itself.
The war in Gaza began with the October 7, 2023, attack, when thousands of Hamas-led terrorists invaded Israel, killing some 1,200 people and taking 251 hostages and the outcome will be….
Ok so that’s happened, or will happen, etc…
…and this might happen. The Palestinian identity is an identity, even if it’s a contemporary one. The Israel identity is…what? At least relevant to the conversation? Both have a right to exist in peace. Neither side trusts the other. This latest chapter about the affront of Israel existing has already gone on for almost 2 years.
UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Friday to support a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict and urge Israel to commit to a Palestinian state, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vehemently opposes.
The 193-member world body approved a nonbinding resolution endorsing the “New York Declaration,” which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions.
Hours before the vote, Netanyahu said “there will be no Palestinian state.” He spoke at the signing of an agreement to expand settlements that will divide the West Bank, which the Palestinians insist must be part of their state, saying, “This place belongs to us.”
The resolution was sponsored by France and Saudi Arabia, who co-chaired a high-level conference on implementing a two-state solution in late July, where the declaration was approved.
The nearly two-year war in Gaza and the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict are expected to be at the top of the agenda of world leaders at their annual gathering at the General Assembly starting on Sept. 22. The Palestinians say they hope at least 10 more countries will recognize the state of Palestine, adding to the more than 145 countries that already do.
Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, said the support for the resolution reflects “the yearning of almost everyone, the international community, to open the door for the option of peace.”
Without naming Israel, he said, “We invite a party that is still pushing the option of war and destruction, and attempts to eliminate the Palestinian people and steal their land, to listen to the sound of reason — to the sound of the logic of dealing with this issue peacefully, and for the overwhelming message that has resonated in this General Assembly today.”
But Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon dismissed the resolution as “theater,” saying the only beneficiary is Hamas.
The declaration condemns “the attacks committed by Hamas against civilians” in southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, a rare condemnation by Arab nations of Hamas. The Hamas-led militants killed about 1,200 people, mainly Israeli civilians, and took about 250 hostage. Of those, 48 are still being held, including about 20 who are believed to be alive.
It also condemns Israel’s attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and its “siege and starvation, which have produced a devastating humanitarian catastrophe and protection crisis.” Israel’s offensive against Hamas has killed over 64,000 Palestinians, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.
The declaration envisions the Palestinian Authority governing and controlling all Palestinian territory, with a transitional administrative committee immediately established under its umbrella after a ceasefire in Gaza.
“In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority,” the declaration says.
It also supports deployment of “a temporary international stabilization mission” operating under U.N. auspices to protect Palestinian civilians, support the transfer of security to the Palestinian Authority and provide security guarantees for Palestine and Israel — “including monitoring of the ceasefire and of a future peace agreement.”
The declaration urges countries to recognize the state of Palestine, calling this “an essential and indispensable component of the achievement of the two-state solution.” Without naming Israel but clearly referring to it, the document says “illegal unilateral actions are posing an existential threat to the realization of the independent state of Palestine.”
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Friday to support a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict and urge Israel to commit to a Palestinian state, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vehemently opposes.
The 193-member world body approved a nonbinding resolution endorsing the “New York Declaration,” which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions.
Hours before the vote, Netanyahu said “there will be no Palestinian state.” He spoke at the signing of an agreement to expand settlements that will divide the West Bank, which the Palestinians insist must be part of their state, saying, “This place belongs to us.”
The resolution was sponsored by France and Saudi Arabia, who co-chaired a high-level conference on implementing a two-state solution in late July, where the declaration was approved.
The nearly two-year war in Gaza and the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict are expected to be at the top of the agenda of world leaders at their annual gathering at the General Assembly starting on Sept. 22. The Palestinians say they hope at least 10 more countries will recognize the state of Palestine, adding to the more than 145 countries that already do.
Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, said the support for the resolution reflects “the yearning of almost everyone, the international community, to open the door for the option of peace.”
Without naming Israel, he said, “We invite a party that is still pushing the option of war and destruction, and attempts to eliminate the Palestinian people and steal their land, to listen to the sound of reason — to the sound of the logic of dealing with this issue peacefully, and for the overwhelming message that has resonated in this General Assembly today.”
But Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon dismissed the resolution as “theater,” saying the only beneficiary is Hamas.
The declaration condemns “the attacks committed by Hamas against civilians” in southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, a rare condemnation by Arab nations of Hamas. The Hamas-led militants killed about 1,200 people, mainly Israeli civilians, and took about 250 hostage. Of those, 48 are still being held, including about 20 who are believed to be alive.
It also condemns Israel’s attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and its “siege and starvation, which have produced a devastating humanitarian catastrophe and protection crisis.” Israel’s offensive against Hamas has killed over 64,000 Palestinians, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.
The declaration envisions the Palestinian Authority governing and controlling all Palestinian territory, with a transitional administrative committee immediately established under its umbrella after a ceasefire in Gaza.
“In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority,” the declaration says.
It also supports deployment of “a temporary international stabilization mission” operating under U.N. auspices to protect Palestinian civilians, support the transfer of security to the Palestinian Authority and provide security guarantees for Palestine and Israel — “including monitoring of the ceasefire and of a future peace agreement.”
The declaration urges countries to recognize the state of Palestine, calling this “an essential and indispensable component of the achievement of the two-state solution.” Without naming Israel but clearly referring to it, the document says “illegal unilateral actions are posing an existential threat to the realization of the independent state of Palestine.”
‘We took the gloves off’: ex-IDF chief confirms Gaza casualties over 200,000
Retired general Herzi Halevi says ‘not once’ had legal advice constrained Israel’s military decisions in the strip
Julian Borger in Jerusalem
Fri 12 Sep 2025 17.20 BST
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A former Israeli army commander, Herzi Halevi, has confirmed that more than 200,000 Palestinians have been killed or injured in the war in Gaza, and that “not once” in the course of the conflict were military operations inhibited by legal advice.
Halevi stepped down as chief of staff in March after leading the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for the first 17 months of the war, which is now approaching its second anniversary.
The retired general told a community meeting in southern Israel earlier this week that more than 10% of Gaza’s 2.2 million population had been killed or injured – “more than 200,000 people”. That estimate is notable as it is close to the current figures provided by Gaza’s health ministry, which Israeli officials have frequently dismissed as Hamas propaganda, though the ministry figures have been deemed reliable by international humanitarian agencies.
The current official toll is 64,718 Palestinians killed in Gaza and 163,859 injured, since the start of the war on 7 October 2023. Many thousands more are feared dead, with their bodies buried in the rubble. At least 40 people were reported killed on Friday in Israeli strikes, mostly around Gaza City.
The Gaza ministry statistics do not distinguish between civilians and fighters, but leaked Israeli military intelligence data on casualties until May this year suggested that more than 80% of the dead were civilians.
About 1,200 people were killed in the original 7 October Hamas attack, which ignited the war, of whom 815 were Israeli and foreign civilians.
“This isn’t a gentle war. We took the gloves off from the first minute. Sadly not earlier,” Halevi said, suggesting the Israel should have taken a tougher line in Gaza before the 7 October attack.
The former commander was talking on Tuesday night to residents of Ein HaBesor moshav (agricultural cooperative), who succeeded in repelling the Hamas attackers two years ago. A recording of his remarks was published by the Ynet news website.
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Retired general Herzi Halevi says ‘not once’ had legal advice constrained Israel’s military decisions in the strip
Julian Borger in Jerusalem
Fri 12 Sep 2025 17.20 BST
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A former Israeli army commander, Herzi Halevi, has confirmed that more than 200,000 Palestinians have been killed or injured in the war in Gaza, and that “not once” in the course of the conflict were military operations inhibited by legal advice.
Halevi stepped down as chief of staff in March after leading the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for the first 17 months of the war, which is now approaching its second anniversary.
The retired general told a community meeting in southern Israel earlier this week that more than 10% of Gaza’s 2.2 million population had been killed or injured – “more than 200,000 people”. That estimate is notable as it is close to the current figures provided by Gaza’s health ministry, which Israeli officials have frequently dismissed as Hamas propaganda, though the ministry figures have been deemed reliable by international humanitarian agencies.
The current official toll is 64,718 Palestinians killed in Gaza and 163,859 injured, since the start of the war on 7 October 2023. Many thousands more are feared dead, with their bodies buried in the rubble. At least 40 people were reported killed on Friday in Israeli strikes, mostly around Gaza City.
The Gaza ministry statistics do not distinguish between civilians and fighters, but leaked Israeli military intelligence data on casualties until May this year suggested that more than 80% of the dead were civilians.
About 1,200 people were killed in the original 7 October Hamas attack, which ignited the war, of whom 815 were Israeli and foreign civilians.
“This isn’t a gentle war. We took the gloves off from the first minute. Sadly not earlier,” Halevi said, suggesting the Israel should have taken a tougher line in Gaza before the 7 October attack.
The former commander was talking on Tuesday night to residents of Ein HaBesor moshav (agricultural cooperative), who succeeded in repelling the Hamas attackers two years ago. A recording of his remarks was published by the Ynet news website.
‘We took the gloves off’: ex-IDF chief confirms Gaza casualties over 200,000
Retired general Herzi Halevi says ‘not once’ had legal advice constrained Israel’s military decisions in the strip
We had all sizes of hail, up to toonie sized.
This is part of our decks roof. Oh well…
Not wanting to have rockets and missiles perpetually fired at them. What a bunch of whiners.
You’re of course referring to just the Israeli
It isn’t already? Hasn’t been for at least 3/4 of a century?
Yesterday’s vote precedes an upcoming UN summit co-chaired by Riyadh and Paris on September 22 in New York, in which French President Emmanuel Macron has promised to formally recognize the Palestinian state. It’ll be interesting.
When, not if, this passes, it’ll permit Palestine to pursue legal rights over its territorial waters and air space as a sovereign state recognized by the UN, and allows the Palestinian people the right to sue (or be sued) regarding sovereignty over their territory in the International Court of Justice and to bring "crimes against humanity" and war-crimes charges, etc…and Hamas’s role in this will be…?
Palestine is a state that currently does and does not exist. It has a large degree of international recognition, diplomatic missions abroad and teams that compete in sporting competitions, including the Olympics. But due to the Palestinians' long-running dispute over Israel’s existence, it has no internationally agreed boundaries, no capital and no army. Given its status as a kind of quasi-state, recognition is inevitably somewhat symbolic.
Politicians "have become accustomed to uttering the words 'a two-state solution'".
The phrase refers to the creation of a Palestinian state, alongside Israel, in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, broadly along the lines that existed prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, where a Palestinian state still didn’t exist.
But international efforts to bring about a two-state solution have come to nothing and Israel's colonisation (but no mention of Jordan or Egypt as seen in the above map
) of large parts of the West Bank, illegal under international law, has turned the concept into a largely empty slogan.According to international law, a sovereign state needs to have four key criteria:
- A permanent population;
- a defined territory;
- an effective government;
- and the capacity to enter into international relations.
A two-state solution in which a state of Palestine would be created alongside Israel in most or all of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem — territories Israel seized (from?) in the 1967 Middle East war — is still seen internationally as the only way to resolve the conflict.
I saw the hail go by from wholesale club right around 7PMWe had all sizes of hail, up to toonie sized.
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This is part of our decks roof. Oh well…
Not wanting to have rockets and missiles perpetually fired at them. What a bunch of whiners.
You’re of course referring to just the IsraeliNationalistNazionists here, right? ‘Cuz only one side of this goat rodeo is guilty of anything, and the other is/are innocent bystanders, etc…?
It isn’t already? Hasn’t been for at least 3/4 of a century?
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Yesterday’s vote precedes an upcoming UN summit co-chaired by Riyadh and Paris on September 22 in New York, in which French President Emmanuel Macron has promised to formally recognize the Palestinian state. It’ll be interesting.
When, not if, this passes, it’ll permit Palestine to pursue legal rights over its territorial waters and air space as a sovereign state recognized by the UN, and allows the Palestinian people the right to sue (or be sued) regarding sovereignty over their territory in the International Court of Justice and to bring "crimes against humanity" and war-crimes charges, etc…and Hamas’s role in this will be…?
Palestine is a state that currently does and does not exist. It has a large degree of international recognition, diplomatic missions abroad and teams that compete in sporting competitions, including the Olympics. But due to the Palestinians' long-running dispute over Israel’s existence, it has no internationally agreed boundaries, no capital and no army. Given its status as a kind of quasi-state, recognition is inevitably somewhat symbolic.
Politicians "have become accustomed to uttering the words 'a two-state solution'".
The phrase refers to the creation of a Palestinian state, alongside Israel, in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, broadly along the lines that existed prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, where a Palestinian state still didn’t exist.
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But international efforts to bring about a two-state solution have come to nothing and Israel's colonisation (but no mention of Jordan or Egypt as seen in the above map
According to international law, a sovereign state needs to have four key criteria:
These qualifications were set out in the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States. This document cannot be enforced in the same way as a treaty with specific obligations, acting more as a declaration of generally accepted principles within international law. The Montevideo Convention specifies that recognition of a state simply signifies "it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law".
- A permanent population;
- a defined territory;
- an effective government;
- and the capacity to enter into international relations.
A two-state solution in which a state of Palestine would be created alongside Israel in most or all of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem — territories Israel seized (from?) in the 1967 Middle East war — is still seen internationally as the only way to resolve the conflict.
Rockets and missiles all stem from occupation. Accept it already. Its not about religion or "kill all Jews". Did attacking 7 nations in about as many months help the Zionist cause?
As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 76% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.
Its Capital is Ramallah. Nice city that does have functional patisseries. https://share.google/47bPfrUxXc3nm1wLZ
Next comes leaving Golan and Lebanon.
You never did answer this question....
Does the world need a Jewish Taliban?
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Occupation, or existence?
Yeah. This was about 4:15 PM yesterday looking north-ish from my office:
