Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

What wrong with the revised Hamas Charter?

Didn't fit your bullshit?

In 2017, the group created a new policy document to supplement its original 1988 charter. In the document, HAMAS affirmed its conflict with Israel was due to occupation, not religion, and stated it would accept the creation of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders without recognizing Israel.

https://www.njohsp.gov

HAMAS | New Jersey OHSP

The original 1977 party platform stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."[137][138]

The 1999 Likud Party platform emphasized the right of settlement:

The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.[139]

Similarly, they claim the Jordan River as the permanent eastern border to Israel and it also claims Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.

The 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state:

The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs.[139]

The platform of racists.

Who are these people? Do they have rights to somebody else's nation? Yes or no?

They sound like racist terrorists who have no problem with ethnic cleansing or the liquidation of the occupants of land they don't have a claim to. Fucking savages.

PS I never named the the Jew Power political party led by Shitamar Ben-Gvir....
Remember him, the guy you pegged as "klan". He holds Israel by the balls.

Do you support a Zionist Taliban? Yes? No?

Who are these internationally wanted terrorists?

Canada imposes fourth round of sanctions on facilitators of extremist settler violence against civilians in West Bank​

From: Global Affairs Canada

News release​

June 10, 2025 - Ottawa, Ontario - Global Affairs Canada
The Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Foreign Affairs, today announced that Canada is imposing new sanctions under the Special Economic Measures (Extremist Settler Violence) Regulations.
This round of sanctions lists two individuals for their crucial role in facilitating the significant expansion of settlements and outposts in the West Bank, offering political cover to perpetrators of settler violence, and actively contributing to a more permissive environment for higher levels of harassment and violence by Israeli extremist settlers against Palestinian civilians.
Extremist settler violence is leading to greater destabilization in the West Bank, resulting in the forced displacement of Palestinian communities, and increasingly threatening the viability of a two-state solution, as well as regional peace and security.

Today’s sanctions are in coordination with the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and Norway, and are in response to the recent escalation of violence by Israeli extremist settlers and affiliates against Palestinian civilians and their property in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, contributing to insecurity for both Palestinians and Israelis.
The two individuals are the following:

• Itamar Ben-Gvir
• Bezalel Smotrich

The measures announced today do not deviate from our unwavering support for Israel’s security and we continue to condemn the horrific terror attacks of 7 October by Hamas. Canada continues to oppose the expansion of settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and is committed to a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.

These measures focus on the West Bank, but of course this cannot be seen in isolation from the catastrophe in Gaza. Canada continues to be appalled by the immense suffering of civilians, including the denial of essential aid. There must be no unlawful transfer of Palestinians from Gaza or within the West Bank, nor any reduction in the territory of the Gaza Strip. Canada will continue to work with the Israeli Government and a range of partners. Canada will strive to ensure an immediate ceasefire, the release now of the remaining hostages and for the unhindered flow of humanitarian aid including food. Canada wants to see a reconstructed Gaza, where Hamas can play no part, and ultimately a political pathway to a two-state solution.

 

[petros]

Let's look at Jew Power (Ben-Gvir) under their old name and their listing as a terrorist entity as stated by our Gov't.

Kahane Chai (Kach)
Also known as
Meir's Youth, No'ar Meir, Repression of Traitors, State of Yehuda, Sword of David, Dikuy Bogdim, DOV, Judea Police, Kahane Lives, Kfar Tapuah Fund, State of Judea, Judean Legion, Judean Voice, Qomemiyut Movement, Way of the Torah and Yeshiva of the Jewish Idea, Kach, and Kahane Movement

Description
Kahane Chai (Kach) is a marginal, extremist Jewish entity whose goal is the restoration of the biblical state of Israel, replacing democracy with theocracy. Kahane Chai (Kach) advocates expelling Arabs from Israel, expanding Israel's boundaries to include the occupied territories and parts of Jordan, and the strict implementation of Jewish law in Israel. Kahane Chai (Kach) has openly espoused violence against Arabs and the Israeli government as a viable method for establishing a religiously homogenous state. Its activities have included threats to government officials and infrastructure, grenade attacks, armed violence, and bombings.

Date listed
2005-05-24

Date reviewed
2024-06-07

 

[Ron in Regina]

What wrong with the revised Hamas Charter?

Didn't fit your bullshit?

Fits yours. I’m just out for a quick smoke between dispatching trucks. I’ll have to come back to this later.

 

[petros]

Fits yours. I’m just out for a quick smoke between dispatching trucks. I’ll have to come back to this later.

Puff away. I want to hear about how awesome the Zionist Taliban is and why you think they're awesome.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Puff away. I want to hear about how awesome the Zionist Taliban is and why you think they're awesome.

They do have an admirable dedication to the mission.

 

[petros]

They do have an admirable dedication to the mission.

Jews that dress like the Blues Brother are on a mission from God?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Meh, they're no worse than Christians, who have a consistent track record of killing in the name of the guy who said "Love thy neighbour as thyself."

Judaism's Golden Rule, if you read the Old Testament, is basically "Do Unto Others. . . First."

 

[petros]

Meh, they're no worse than Christians, who have a consistent track record of killing in the name of the guy who said "Love thy neighbour as thyself."

Judaism's Golden Rule, if you read the Old Testament, is basically "Do Unto Others. . . First."

Or no worse than Muzzies yelling "get your filthy hands off my desert" and killing invaders?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Or no worse than Muzzies yelling "get your filthy hands off my desert" and killing invaders?

Or Ukrainians in Saskatchewan.

 

[petros]

User's Guide on "How Two Internationally Wanted Terrorists Control Israel" First Edition

Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, key far-right members of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition, have repeatedly threatened to withdraw their support or resign from the government, primarily over disagreements regarding ceasefire and hostage release deals with Hamas.

Based on available information, specific instances of these threats can be identified, though an exact total count is challenging due to the recurring nature of their statements and varying contexts.

Below is a detailed breakdown of reported instances:

Documented Instances of Threats:

June 2024: Both Ben-Gvir and Smotrich threatened to topple the coalition if Netanyahu accepted a hostage and ceasefire deal proposed by Israel and announced by U.S. President Joe Biden. They argued the deal would end the war without destroying Hamas, a key war aim, and vowed to pull their parties (Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionism, respectively) from the coalition if it was implemented.

July 2025:
Ben-Gvir and Smotrich reportedly told Netanyahu that they would bring down the government and force elections if a hostage deal did not guarantee continued military operations against Hamas. They expressed skepticism about resuming offensives post-deal due to international guarantees.

January 2025:
Ben-Gvir: On January 14, 2025, Ben-Gvir admitted to repeatedly blocking hostage-ceasefire deals over the past year and called on Smotrich to join him in threatening to resign from the coalition to stop a new deal. He claimed their political power had previously prevented such agreements, but his influence waned after Gideon Sa’ar’s New Hope party joined the coalition.

Smotrich:
While Smotrich did not explicitly repeat his threat to resign at this time, he had previously threatened to leave if the deal ended the war prematurely. Reports indicate he met with Netanyahu multiple times to negotiate terms, suggesting a conditional stance rather than an outright resignation threat.

April 2024:
Both ministers threatened to withdraw support if Netanyahu did not continue the war on Gaza and proceed with an invasion of Rafah. Ben-Gvir stated that ending the war without a Rafah offensive would cost Netanyahu his mandate, while Smotrich demanded a cabinet meeting to discuss the war’s continuation.

July 2025 (Additional Context):
Smotrich backed down from a threat to quit the coalition over allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza, stating he had no intention of leaving for the time being. This suggests a prior threat to resign, though specifics are less clear.

January 2025 (Ben-Gvir’s Resignation Attempt):
Ben-Gvir briefly resigned in January 2025 over a temporary ceasefire and prisoner release deal but returned to the coalition after the offensive resumed. This indicates a concrete action following a threat, though it was reversed.

Analysis:
Ben-Gvir: Explicitly threatened to resign or topple the coalition at least four times (June 2024, July 2025, January 2025, April 2024), with one instance of briefly acting on the threat by resigning in January 2025 before returning. His rhetoric consistently frames deals as a “surrender” to Hamas, and he has admitted to blocking deals multiple times in the past year.

Smotrich:
Made explicit threats to leave the coalition at least three times (June 2024, July 2025, April 2024), but he has been more cautious, often backing down or negotiating terms to remain in the government. His reluctance to resign is attributed to political survival, as his party, Religious Zionism, relies on coalition dynamics and Ben-Gvir’s popularity to maintain electoral viability.

Total Count:
Ben-Gvir:
At least 4–5 distinct threats, with one temporary resignation.

Smotrich:
At least 3–4 threats, though some were conditional or not followed through.

Combined:
A conservative estimate suggests 7–9 distinct instances where one or both threatened to end the coalition, with some overlap in joint threats (e.g., June 2024, April 2024).

Notes:
The exact number is difficult to pinpoint because both ministers have made recurring, sometimes vague, threats over similar issues (e.g., hostage deals, Gaza policy). Some threats may not be fully documented in the provided sources.

Ben-Gvir’s threats are more frequent and public, often accompanied by posts on X or public statements, while Smotrich’s are more strategic, focusing on negotiations to secure his policy goals, such as West Bank annexation.

The coalition’s stability has been maintained partly because opposition leaders like Yair Lapid have offered a “safety net” to support hostage deals, reducing the impact of potential resignations.

If you need further details or specific instances, I can dig deeper into any particular event or timeframe.

 

[petros]

Or Ukrainians in Saskatchewan.

I haven't killed anyone......yet.

 

[petros]

User's Guide on "How Two Internationally Wanted Terrorists Control Israel" First Edition

Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, key far-right members of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition, have repeatedly threatened to withdraw their support or resign from the government, primarily over disagreements regarding ceasefire and hostage release deals with Hamas.

Based on available information, specific instances of these threats can be identified, though an exact total count is challenging due to the recurring nature of their statements and varying contexts.

Below is a detailed breakdown of reported instances:

Documented Instances of Threats:

June 2024: Both Ben-Gvir and Smotrich threatened to topple the coalition if Netanyahu accepted a hostage and ceasefire deal proposed by Israel and announced by U.S. President Joe Biden. They argued the deal would end the war without destroying Hamas, a key war aim, and vowed to pull their parties (Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionism, respectively) from the coalition if it was implemented.

July 2025:
Ben-Gvir and Smotrich reportedly told Netanyahu that they would bring down the government and force elections if a hostage deal did not guarantee continued military operations against Hamas. They expressed skepticism about resuming offensives post-deal due to international guarantees.

January 2025:
Ben-Gvir: On January 14, 2025, Ben-Gvir admitted to repeatedly blocking hostage-ceasefire deals over the past year and called on Smotrich to join him in threatening to resign from the coalition to stop a new deal. He claimed their political power had previously prevented such agreements, but his influence waned after Gideon Sa’ar’s New Hope party joined the coalition.

Smotrich:
While Smotrich did not explicitly repeat his threat to resign at this time, he had previously threatened to leave if the deal ended the war prematurely. Reports indicate he met with Netanyahu multiple times to negotiate terms, suggesting a conditional stance rather than an outright resignation threat.

April 2024:
Both ministers threatened to withdraw support if Netanyahu did not continue the war on Gaza and proceed with an invasion of Rafah. Ben-Gvir stated that ending the war without a Rafah offensive would cost Netanyahu his mandate, while Smotrich demanded a cabinet meeting to discuss the war’s continuation.

July 2025 (Additional Context):
Smotrich backed down from a threat to quit the coalition over allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza, stating he had no intention of leaving for the time being. This suggests a prior threat to resign, though specifics are less clear.

January 2025 (Ben-Gvir’s Resignation Attempt):
Ben-Gvir briefly resigned in January 2025 over a temporary ceasefire and prisoner release deal but returned to the coalition after the offensive resumed. This indicates a concrete action following a threat, though it was reversed.

Analysis:
Ben-Gvir: Explicitly threatened to resign or topple the coalition at least four times (June 2024, July 2025, January 2025, April 2024), with one instance of briefly acting on the threat by resigning in January 2025 before returning. His rhetoric consistently frames deals as a “surrender” to Hamas, and he has admitted to blocking deals multiple times in the past year.

Smotrich:
Made explicit threats to leave the coalition at least three times (June 2024, July 2025, April 2024), but he has been more cautious, often backing down or negotiating terms to remain in the government. His reluctance to resign is attributed to political survival, as his party, Religious Zionism, relies on coalition dynamics and Ben-Gvir’s popularity to maintain electoral viability.

Total Count:
Ben-Gvir:
At least 4–5 distinct threats, with one temporary resignation.

Smotrich:
At least 3–4 threats, though some were conditional or not followed through.

Combined:
A conservative estimate suggests 7–9 distinct instances where one or both threatened to end the coalition, with some overlap in joint threats (e.g., June 2024, April 2024).

Notes:
The exact number is difficult to pinpoint because both ministers have made recurring, sometimes vague, threats over similar issues (e.g., hostage deals, Gaza policy). Some threats may not be fully documented in the provided sources.

Ben-Gvir’s threats are more frequent and public, often accompanied by posts on X or public statements, while Smotrich’s are more strategic, focusing on negotiations to secure his policy goals, such as West Bank annexation.

The coalition’s stability has been maintained partly because opposition leaders like Yair Lapid have offered a “safety net” to support hostage deals, reducing the impact of potential resignations.

If you need further details or specific instances, I can dig deeper into any particular event or timeframe.

But but but...holocaustages Hamas Oct 7

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I haven't killed anyone......yet.

You're not the perpetrator. Just the beneficiary.

I believe it is your law, as well as ours, that a thief can't pass good title. And the JOOZ can always stretch the Balfour Declaration and the UN ratification of its actions to extend to. . . pretty much as much of the MENA as they care to grab.

 

[petros]

You're not the perpetrator. Just the beneficiary.

I believe it is your law, as well as ours, that a thief can't pass good title. And the JOOZ can always stretch the Balfour Declaration and the UN ratification of its actions to extend to. . . pretty much as much of the MENA as they care to grab.

Canadians don't hold alloidial title only fee simple title.

What are JOOZ?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Canadians don't hold alloidial title only fee simple title.

What are JOOZ?

(It’s code for Zionists)

 

[Dixie Cup]

No. Netanyahu does what the Jewish supremacists that prop him up want or he goes to prison for 10 years on corruption and grifting charges.

The extremists run Israel and they have absolutely no morals. They are the ones who think you and I aren't fully human.

The world doesn't need a Jewish version of the Taliban.

They aren't defending themselves.

Bibi is the man who funded Hamas to keep the secular (Jew, Christian, Muslim and Druze) Palestinian Authority at bay. He needs Hamas or he can't use fear as a weapon against his own people.

Actually, Israel is probably the most moral country in the world because they absolutely do everything, they can not to harm civilians. Now if Hamas would do that, not for Israeli's, but for THEIR OWN PEOPLE, maybe things would be different. Burying your head in sand won't change things.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Actually, Israel is probably the most moral country in the world because they absolutely do everything, they can not to harm civilians. Now if Hamas would do that, not for Israeli's, but for THEIR OWN PEOPLE, maybe things would be different. Burying your head in sand won't change things.

Let us say, rather, that Israel adheres closely to the law of war. Which is more than anybody can say for Ham-ass or any other scraggly-ass bunch of fuckwits running around in Toyota pickups with AK-47s.

Or AR-15s.

 

[petros]

Actually, Israel is probably the most moral country in the world because they absolutely do everything, they can not to harm civilians. Now if Hamas would do that, not for Israeli's, but for THEIR OWN PEOPLE, maybe things would be different. Burying your head in sand won't change things.

Where did you get that idea? How is ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation moral?

 

[petros]

Let us say, rather, that Israel adheres closely to the law of war. Which is more than anybody can say for Ham-ass or any other scraggly-ass bunch of fuckwits running around in Toyota pickups with AK-47s.

Or AR-15s.

Hamas is very well trained with SF, sappers, artillery, infantry and a paraglider airforce.

Using the COINS battle strategy only works if civilians are allowed to evac. Fallujah for instance.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Hamas is very well trained with SF, sappers, artillery, infantry and a paraglider airforce.

Using the COINS battle strategy only works if civilians are allowed to evac. Fallujah for instance.

That is indeed a problem. The "law of war" as we understand it was written by Northern European gentlemen in the late 1800s and very early 1900s, and embodied largely in the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907. Mostly designed to limit warfare to large, formal armies. They had little understanding of, and no use for, unconventional warfare.

The Geneva Conventions, while important, did little or nothing to change the mindset.