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Trump and Zelenskiy talked over each other as Trump insisted Zelenskiy was losing the Ukraine war and said, "people are dying, you're running low on soldiers."

He threatened to withdraw U.S. support in a standoff in front of reporters ahead of a planned signing ceremony for a revenue-sharing minerals agreement.

"You're either going to make a deal, or we're out, and if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't think it's going to be pretty," Trump told him.

"You don't have the cards. Once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. But you're not acting at all thankful, and that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest. That's not a nice thing."

Zelenskiy openly challenged Trump over his softer approach toward Russian President Vladimir Putin, urging him to "make no compromises with a killer."

Zelenskiy, Trump clash in Oval Office shouting match — Reuters

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and U.S. President Donald Trump clashed on Friday, with Zelenskiy questioning Trump's tilt toward Russia and Trump accusing him of being disrespectful as their differences erupted into a shouting match.

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Zelenskiy pushed back on Trump's claims that Ukrainian cities have been reduced to rubble by three years of war. Trump stressed that Putin wants to make a deal.

"You are gambling with World War Three," Trump told Zelenskiy at one point, urging him to be more thankful.

Vice President JD Vance interjected that it was disrespectful of him to come to the Oval Office to litigate his position, a point Trump agreed with.

"You didn't say thank-you," Vance said. Zelenskiy, raising his voice, responded: "I said a lot of times thank-you to American people."

That'll fuck with the chimps until shit gets into place.

 

[Jinentonix]

And no deal. Zelensky walked out after that. Calling him "disrespectful" while in the meeting at the Oval Office was pathetic. What's disrespectful is altering a pre-existing agreement and GUARANTEE that the US made to Ukraine long before the Trumpty Dumpster showed up
And the fact that Vance got all pissy because Zelensky didn't thank them is also ridiculous. Zelensky has thanked the US and its people for their aid many, MANY times during the war. However, one generally doesn't thank someone for trying to fuck them over.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Somebody needs to send a note home to Donny's parents.

But hey, he's your guy.

 

[Serryah]

And no deal. Zelensky walked out after that. Calling him "disrespectful" while in the meeting at the Oval Office was pathetic. What's disrespectful is altering a pre-existing agreement and GUARANTEE that the US made to Ukraine long before the Trumpty Dumpster showed up
And the fact that Vance got all pissy because Zelensky didn't thank them is also ridiculous. Zelensky has thanked the US and its people for their aid many, MANY times during the war. However, one generally doesn't thank someone for trying to fuck them over.

I've heard politicals suggest this was an obvious set up considering the bullying/ganging up on Zelensky by Trump and Vance.

 

[Serryah]

 

[Taxslave2]

I've heard politicals suggest this was an obvious set up considering the bullying/ganging up on Zelensky by Trump and Vance.

That is a possibility.

 

[Serryah]

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And she was actually right. Today proved it.

 

[Serryah]

 

[pgs]

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And she was actually right. Today proved it.

Isn’t Trump a beauty ?

 

[grunt]

Russia and Ukraine
Sometime ago; I decided to stop expressing my opinion on the web. But because of the recent events I changed my mind. First a small note; there is a political desert in North America right now, I do not know about Europe.
I am truly stunned to find myself saying “I agree with Trump” about Zelenskyy. In a news conference before the war, Zelenskyy was asked if he would negotiate with Russia. He said that he would negotiate with Russia if Putin resigned. Wow, this idiot was stating his conditions first because he was sure of Ukraine’s military might!!! If you did not watch or forgot, I ask you to go search and watch. Besides being stunned, I knew this dirt bag was doing this for his personal interest. Knowing that the idiots in the West would start throwing and pouring money at him; he wanted war regardless of how many would die from both sides. A very small portion of that money would make him very rich. But what was the rush to join NATO?? NATO is short for North Atlantic Treaty Organization; Ukraine has nothing to do with the Atlantic north or south!!! I am not fond of Russia; as a matter of fact I dislike them. Russia had every right to object. Even Joe Biden from “Dirty Dog Biden & Son” said it by mistake. J.F.K did it first with Cuba, with one difference: there is a distance between USA and Cuba while Ukraine is inside Russia!! I am truly amazed of how many people are fooled by that dirt bag con man. More likely it is because in their simple (or stupid?) minds there is no distinction between supporting the country and supporting the con man at the top. Yesterday Trump said that he wanted that filth to account for the money given to Ukraine. Very good point from Trump (may be somebody brought the above point to his attention). Recently Zelenskyy said that he would resign for peace. He wants to appear as a hero (now he took the money he wanted) and at the same time get away from Trump.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Trump was a complete arse, & Vance was a sycophant to Trumps arse, like a festering boil on Trumps arse.


The world was watching these bullies not make America great again by any means.

Trump & Vance where the skid marks in the underwear of diplomacy today, and who in their right mind would trust this administration at this point with anything that doesn’t directly benefit Trump & friends?

Who is gambling with World War Three here?

 

[Jinentonix]

Vladonald Putrump strikes again.

To a point I see what Trump is doing. The more isolated Russia becomes, the closer and more dependent Bedpan will be on China and to a lesser extent North Korea. The LAST thing the world needs is a China-dependent Russia or a true Russia-China alliance that's more than just a transparent attempt to put up a united front against the US and the West without any real friendship between them.

Having said that, kissing up to a murderous dictator who started the war while publicly acting like a complete dick to the victim(s) isn't going to win you any friends, even outside of Ukraine. Well, except for Bedpan of course.

The Trumpty Dumpster is burning the US down. His global tariffs are only going to hurt the US, especially when he tariffs shit the US doesn't produce or produce enough of to meet domestic demand. When I said 'only' I didn't mean only the US would hurt, I meant that if all the other countries he's tariffing engage in reciprocal tariffs, things is gonna get kind'a pricey for the American consumer.

Questions Donnie-boy needs to ask himself and then ask someone who actually knows the answers.
1) Does the US produce enough steel and aluminum in-house? And can they?
2) Can the US build a car from start to finish solely in the US right now? And can they build enough to meet domestic demand?
3) Can the US grow all the food it needs to feed itself? Land-wise I'd say yes. Actual usage and farm labour? Probably not.
4) Can the US mine all the minerals it needs without turning the place into Mordor? When it comes to REEs it's kind'a obvious they can't, or simply don't want to pay the exorbitant environmental cost to their own country.
5) Does the US currently have the capability to manufacture computers and phones? Last time I heard, it didn't.
6) Etc etc.

On the other hand, I have noticed that most, if not all the countries being tariffed have allowed Chinese companies to operate within them. In fact a couple of Chinese automakers have purchased auto plants in EU countries that European automakers shut down. Building cars in the EU would let China get their cars into the US thus circumventing the tariff/ban on Chinese EVs since they were made in the EU.
There's a couple of Chinese (non-automotive) facilities in Mexico that don't even fucking hire Mexicans. They import migrant Chinese labour using the same BS they tried in Canada with their stupid coal mine. "Can't find qualified/experienced workers in country so we need to import our own." Guess which market those cheap shit goods are intended for?

China also keeps trying to buy up US farmland that's near US military bases and facilities. I mean I get Trump's anti-China stance, I'm right there with him, but to publicly treat Zelensky and, by extension, Ukraine like shit because he's trying to woo Bedpan away from Xinnie the Pooh is fucking horrible optics, man.

 

[Jinentonix]

Somebody needs to send a note home to Donny's parents.

But hey, he's your guy.

The moment he pulled his 51st state crap, I was done. I mean if he wanted to take shots at Trudeau that's fine, but don't threaten a Canadian with turning them into an American, even if you're "just joking". We don't see the humour in it. If I wanted to be an American I would have moved to the US. I had a couple of opportunities to but nah. Don't mind visiting, don't wanna live there.

 

[Jinentonix]

1) Turkey is a NATO member and they're in the fucking Med m'boy. Is that an issue for you too? The Baltics are also NATO states. Tell us, what part of the Atlantic Ocean is the Baltic Sea in? How about Germany? Not an Atlantic state either.
2) To date since 2014 according to the US's own records they have "donated" $135 billion in total. Of which about 77% remained in the US keeping people employed and employing more people in the American MIC. You might have an issue with that but a good paying job is a good paying job. Most of the equipment "donated" by the US was also older equipment that was just sitting in storage while the US taxpayer paid for it to be kept in storage. Money saved.
3) Ukraine is not inside of Russia. Well okay, they're in a small part of Kursk Oblast but that's not what you actually meant. So since you believe that Ukraine is inside of Russia, despite being an independent nation, does that mean you think Mongolia and Nepal are inside of China and naturally belong to China? Do you consider Taiwan to be an independent state or do you see it as part of the PRC?
4) Since the British were the first Europeans to colonize the US, does the US still belong to Britain even though the US gained their independence? Like Ukraine did from Russia but without the shooting? Well, until Bedpan decided to start shooting.

You think Zelensky is the con man? Trump wanted to extort $500 billion in minerals from Ukraine in exchange for older military hardware and about $37 billion in direct financial assistance with NO security guarantees. And that's AFTER the US guaranteed Ukraine's security if they gave up their nukes.
Trump is just a deal-breaker.
Same with his bullshit whining about America's trade deficit with Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know I'm not, didn't Trump renegotiate the trade agreement LAST time he was president? Sounds like Mr. Art of the Deal negotiated the US into a $200 billion (according to the Dumpster fire) trade deficit with Canada and has only himself to blame.

And ya know why Zelensky said he'd only negotiate if Bedpan stepped down? Because since 2014, actually earlier than that, Bedpan has been engaged in grey zone warfare against Ukraine before the war started in earnest in 2022.
Bedpan did the old commie trick. "Encouraged" Russians to relocate to Ukraine to live and work, then acted like all these "poor, downtrodden oppressed" Russians in Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia.

Then look at Bedpan's reason for invading in the first place. It keeps changing. First they were doing it to "de-nazify" Ukraine, ya know, even though the President is Jewish for fuck sakes. Then he said they were doing it to de-militarize Ukraine. Why? What was the need? Were the big bad Russian bears all a'skeered that mighty, mighty Ukraine would invade them? Fuckin' spare me. Then it was about shortening NATO's border with Russia. It's now twice as long. NATO isn't even interested in Russia outside of preventing its aggressive expansion into NATO countries. It has zero desire to initiate hostilities with Russia. And now, wouldn't ya know it, Bedpan has gotten all evangelical and exclaiming that Russia is doing God's work in Ukraine.

Trumpty Dumpster's actions are all about getting Russia away from China and if Ukraine has to be thrown under the bus as collateral damage to satisfy Bedpan, then so be it.

One last thing. Bedpan has blown over $1 trillion, that's dollars not rubles, on this war. If he really gave two fucking shits about Russia and Russians he would have spent that trillion+ on improving Russia's infrastructure and quality of life for Russians AND wouldn't be economically cut off from most of the world.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Trump wanted to extort $500 billion in minerals from Ukraine in exchange for older military hardware and about $37 billion in direct financial assistance with NO security guarantees. And that's AFTER the US guaranteed Ukraine's security if they gave up their nukes.
Trump is just a deal-breaker.

Russia breached the Budapest memorandum in 2014 with its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea. As a response, the US, UK and France provided Ukraine with financial and military assistance, and imposed economic sanctions on Russia, while ruling out "any direct interventions to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia".

…& how did that work out for them?

On 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine in a major escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War, which had started in 2014.

As of 2025, Russian troops occupy about 20% of Ukraine. From a population of 41 million, about 8 million Ukrainians had been internally displaced and more than 8.2 million had fled the country by April 2023, creating Europe's largest refugee crisis since World War II.

In response, newly elected (again) Donald Trump as American president…leans on Ukraine & its leader in a mafia style protection racket type shenanigans.

Protection racket - Wikipedia

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Ukrainian President Zelensky was even tempted to partially agree to this if there are actual real security agreements attached…which…unfortunately, was not part of the shakedown.

(YouTube & “You come to me, on the day of my daughter's wedding...”)

Trumpty Dumpster's actions are all about getting Russia away from China and if Ukraine has to be thrown under the bus as collateral damage to satisfy Bedpan, then so be it.

Is it? Is that what Trump is doing? Or is it after so many countries imposed sanctions against Russia for actions over the last three years with it being weakened….now Trump could slide in & throw Russia a lifeline…as Russia & America bond over splitting the spoils of the Ukraine…so that Trump can financially rape Russia & Ukraine both in his financial tariff warfare against America’s traditional allies and trading partners…to support his own agenda of upending everything & hoping a good deal falls out of it, & damn the consequences?


This is 2-3 days ago, before Trump/Vance tagged up to try to humiliate Zelensky in front of the media in the White House yesterday:

(YouTube & “Trump: Once Peace Deal Is Achieved To End War In Ukraine, Russia 'Not Going Back In'” like every other time?)

Then this is yesterday…

(YouTube & “Zelenskyy leaves White House without signing minerals deal after Oval Office blowup”)

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

America has fallen.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

America has fallen.

Why so glum, chum? This is what Canadian conservatives, on this board anyhow, have been hoping and praying for.

Y'know, "He tells it like it is!"

 

[petros]

America has fallen.

Which is the intended image portrayed in a made for TV squabble. It made Ukraine sound like its on the brink but boosted the fuck out UA people and Zelenskyy for having the balls to take on Trump and Vance. All a display for Putin.

The never was a cease fire on the table, the "security guarantees" are code for NATO which Putin will think is completely a no go, the mineral deal doesn't pay anything back that was already given and is beyond good.

It's still a couple months until the point of no return for the Russian economy.

 

[Ron in Regina]

America has fallen.

Well, I wouldn’t have predicted this a decade ago.

Why so glum, chum? This is what Canadian conservatives, on this board anyhow, have been hoping and praying for.

Y'know, "He tells it like it is!"

Which is the intended image portrayed in a made for TV squabble. It made Ukraine sound like it’s on the brink but boosted the fuck out UA people and Zelenskyy for having the balls to take on Trump and Vance. All a display for Putin.

The never was a cease fire on the table, the "security guarantees" are code for NATO which Putin will think is completely a no go, the mineral deal doesn't pay anything back that was already given and is beyond good.

It's still a couple months until the point of no return for the Russian economy.

So this is Trump being a political diplomatic mastermind playing eight dimensional chess?

 

[petros]

Well, I wouldn’t have predicted this a decade ago.


So this is Trump being a political diplomatic mastermind playing eight dimensional chess?
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Yup. It rallied more support for Zelenskyy and Ukraine did it not? Was it not the ballsiest thing from Zelenskyy to date? It's kinda hard not to respect him even if you don't like him.