Omnibus Russia Ukraine crisis

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Vladonald Putrump.

Putrump claims the US sent $350 billion to Ukraine since the start of the war. Oddly though, the Pentagon states they have spent around $135 billion since 2014
Putrump claims that Europe isn't pulling their weight. While the US has contributed more military aid to Ukraine, Europe has contributed twice as much total aid as the US, including military aid.

I dunno, a small part of me is still hoping that Trump is playing his cards real close to his chest and is trying to convince Bedpan that China is Russia's only real threat. Which is 100% true.
NATO, the EU nor Europe in general want to conquer Russia. They don't even wanna invade it. Not out of fear but occupying a country that size is one thing, conquering it and maintaining control is another thing altogether. But China don't care. Xi is desperate for China to have a border with the Arctic to legitimize his current pathetic claim to it, even if it's just a piece of Russia that borders China and the Arctic.
Look at China, they're double ending the war in Ukraine, supplying both Russia and Ukraine with FPV drones. The Ukrainians are just better at "customizing" them and using them. Every dead Russia soldier, every destroyed military piece of equipment will make Xi's dreams come closer to fruition.
This war has cost Russia 1% of its male population. That's why Bedpan is desperate for it to end, but on his terms. Even if he decided to continue and ordered a general conscription his conscripts would be useless except as ammo absorbers. Russia can't even provide proper uniforms and boots to the troops they have now, never mind arming them. Bedpan is even reclassifying military personnel. Sailors from the Kuznetzov (sp) being shoved into the infantry. Nuclear missile techs being assigned to infantry units as assault troops. Medics being reassigned as tank commanders.

But I guess we can't let Russia collapse, again. Apparently 'too big to fail' also applies to countries run by complete assholes.

This entire war has been a display in old school 'meat grinder' tactics, such as they are. And when Russian troops were getting lower, he pulled in North Korea into the grinder to 'help', which turned into a disaster for both groups.

Trump isn't even playing cards, he's off playing keepsies or some shit claiming things are 'his' when they aren't. He's not smart enough, nor has he kept people around him to be smart enough, to do any of this with intelligence what so ever.

Putin wants it to end on his terms, I think, because he is like any other dictator/autocrat; he HAS to appear strong even in defeat because if he doesn't, his ego won't be able to handle it. Being old school KGB and raised in the "No Russia is the best and we'll prove it" belief, it's not a surprise but it doomed his own country. But like Stalin, he doesn't give a shit, all that matters is power.

IMO, the world should let Russia collapse totally, let it divide itself more into smaller states. Sibera become it's own nation, Russia's core it's own nation, or two, or whatever, and all that the "west" should do about it is ensure China doesn't move in to oppress more people. It won't HAPPEN, I know, but that's one solution of what to do with it.
 

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This entire war has been a display in old school 'meat grinder' tactics, such as they are. And when Russian troops were getting lower, he pulled in North Korea into the grinder to 'help', which turned into a disaster for both groups.

Trump isn't even playing cards, he's off playing keepsies or some shit claiming things are 'his' when they aren't. He's not smart enough, nor has he kept people around him to be smart enough, to do any of this with intelligence what so ever.

Putin wants it to end on his terms, I think, because he is like any other dictator/autocrat; he HAS to appear strong even in defeat because if he doesn't, his ego won't be able to handle it. Being old school KGB and raised in the "No Russia is the best and we'll prove it" belief, it's not a surprise but it doomed his own country. But like Stalin, he doesn't give a shit, all that matters is power.

IMO, the world should let Russia collapse totally, let it divide itself more into smaller states. Sibera become it's own nation, Russia's core it's own nation, or two, or whatever, and all that the "west" should do about it is ensure China doesn't move in to oppress more people. It won't HAPPEN, I know, but that's one solution of what to do with it.
Question: When did Trump tell Zelenskyy to stop bombing Russian oil and infrastruct with American weapons so Trump can get paid from Putin?
 
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What exactly did they agree to? Did Ukraine get any kind of security guarantees that it was looking for? I asked because I haven’t had time to look.
1/2 a trllion for Ukraine. Details aren't out yet other what we already know. The arsenal doors are wide open and no restrictions.
 

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Putin must be sad he lost a buddy that he never had.
 

Ron in Regina

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Paywalled, but does it specifically say in there that:
1/2 a trllion for Ukraine. Details aren't out yet other what we already know. The arsenal doors are wide open and no restrictions.
Or does it say something like this?

A source familiar with the contents of the draft agreement said that it does not specify any U.S. security guarantees or continued flow of weapons but says that the United States wants Ukraine to be “free, sovereign and secure.” ???
The U.S. president, who has cast the deal as a repayment for billions of dollars in aid to Kyiv, also said some form of peacekeeping troops are needed in Ukraine if an agreement to end the conflict is struck. Moscow, which launched an invasion of Ukraine three years ago, has refused to accept any deployment of NATO forces.

Some European countries have said they would be willing to send peacekeeping forces to Ukraine. Trump said on Monday that Moscow would accept such peacekeepers, but the Kremlin denied that on Tuesday.

What does Moscow have that Trump wants?
Trade leverage over America’s traditional allies, BRICS be damned if it’s convenient for Trump? Use the R against the C in BRICS & screw Ukraine & Ukrainians as a peace offering between America and Russia?
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Then everyone else are either pawns or collateral damage including the populations of Russia & America?
 

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Trade leverage over America’s traditional allies, BRICS be damned if it’s convenient for Trump? Use the R against the C in BRICS & screw Ukraine & Ukrainians as a peace offering between America and Russia?
The U.S. sided with Russia and China to win the United Nations Security Council’s backing for a resolution crafted in Washington that didn’t blame Moscow for the Ukraine war and called for a swift end to the conflict, as President Trump said he was in talks with Russia about an economic-development deal.
What does Moscow have that Trump wants?
(YouTube & “Trump's tariff threat | How Russia is offering Trump help to fight his trade war with Canada”)
Earlier on Monday, the General Assembly, which represents the 193 U.N. member states, had approved a Ukrainian resolution pinning the blame on Russia for the war, despite U.S. efforts to kill it. The U.S. was joined by North Korea, Russia and Belarus in voting against it.
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Unlike the General Assembly, the 15-member U.N. Security Council has decision-making powers. The U.S. secured 10 votes from the Security Council in favor of its resolution.

Five European countries abstained, including the U.K. and France, underscoring the widening gulf between Europe and the U.S. over the Ukraine conflict. France and Britain both have veto powers on the Security Council but were reluctant to use them against Washington, diplomats said.

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he wants to begin selling gold cards for $5 million to foreigners who want to move to the U.S. and create jobs.

Trump said the immigration program, which he said was legal, could start in about two weeks. He added it is possible Russian oligarchs could qualify for the gold cards.😉
 

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Ukraine & the U.S. finalize the "Minerals Agreement," creating a joint Reconstruction Investment Fund. Ukraine will contribute 50% of revenues from state-owned natural resources, while the U.S. ensures financial support. The deal ties into security guarantees & EU accession. A detailed Fund Agreement will follow.
 
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Huh, interesting twist. Seems the EU has countered Trump's "generous" offer to Ukraine. They are asking for access to a REASONABLE amount of REEs in return for the continued assistance. A deal that actually benefits both parties without one feeling like it's been taken advantage of. Unlike Trump demanding $500 billion worth for less than $150 billion worth of aid.
 

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The U.S. and Ukraine have finalized a natural resources deal. Here are its key terms.

10:00, 26 February 2025
Source: Ukrainska Pravda

On Tuesday, news broke that Ukraine and the United States had finalized a framework agreement on natural resources. U.S. President Donald Trump confirmed the reports, saying that the deal would grant Ukraine “military equipment and the right to fight on.” In turn, Ukrainian President Zelensky said on Wednesday that while the agreement does not include security guarantees in the form Kyiv had hoped for, they are mentioned in the text. According to the finalized text of the framework agreement published by European Pravda, Zelensky managed to secure the inclusion of two key provisions. First, revenues from the extraction and sale of mineral resources will be directed toward Ukraine’s post-war reconstruction — not toward recouping the cost of U.S. aid to Ukraine, which Trump has claimed Kyiv owes Washington. Second, while the agreement does not directly provide U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine, it does include a reference to them. Meduza shares a summary of the new pact.

Key points of the agreement:
The U.S. and Ukrainian governments will establish a Joint Reconstruction Investment Fund, which they will co-own and co-manage. The Ukrainian government will contribute 50 percent of all future revenues from the sale of state-owned mineral resources, as well as from the operation of related infrastructure (such as LNG terminals and ports), to the fund. Existing revenue sources already accounted for in Ukraine’s budget will not be included in this agreement.

The U.S. will have the option to contribute additional funds and other assets deemed “critical for the reconstruction of Ukraine.”
The fund’s revenues will be invested at least once a year into projects aimed at promoting Ukraine’s “safety, security, and prosperity.” Priority will be given to state and private projects focused on developing mineral resources, as well as LNG terminals and ports.

Details regarding the ownership structures, management, and operations of the Joint Reconstruction Investment Fund, along with implementation timelines, will be outlined in a separate agreement to be developed by representatives of the U.S. Department of the Treasury and Ukraine’s Economic and Finance Ministries. This agreement will require ratification by Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, and will also specify provisions on dividends — the revenues that both Ukraine and the U.S. may receive from the fund.

President Volodymyr Zelensky stressed that the framework agreement makes no mention of Ukraine’s debt to the U.S. for previously supplied military aid. One of Zelensky’s key objections to earlier versions of the agreement was their proposal to use Ukraine’s natural resources not for investment in its reconstruction but to pay the U.S. $500 billion, which Trump claimed Kyiv owed as compensation for wartime aid.

Another of Zelensky’s concerns was the absence of reliable security guarantees for Ukraine in earlier drafts of the agreement. The current framework states: “The Government of the United States of America supports Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace. Participants will seek to identify any necessary steps to protect mutual investments, as defined in the Fund Agreement.”

The framework agreement leaves many details unresolved, which are expected to be addressed in a subsequent treaty that U.S. and Ukrainian officials will begin preparing immediately. President Zelensky is reportedly set to travel to Washington on Friday, February 28, to continue negotiations and sign documents.
 
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Ron in Regina

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So…as far as official details as to what these two countries have agreed to… the details are really quite skinny. Ukraine wanted security guarantees, & America didn’t want to provide them.

Aside from American geologists & mining professionals (& bureaucrats) being on the ground in the Ukraine in the future, is there any other security guarantees that are mentioned so far? Anything concrete at all?