Hamas attacks Israel

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The Israeli cabinet and the government will meet Friday to ratify the cease-fire deal with Hamas. PM Netanyahu said Hamas had created a "a last-minute crisis," reneging on understandings reached during truce talks. Hamas denied the "baseless" claim and urged Trump to pressure Israel to follow through with the deal. A close Netanyahu ally said that the disagreement between Israel and Hamas has been resolved, and the deal was moving forward. The far-right Religious Zionism party said it would back the cease-fire only if Israel resumed the Gaza war after the deal's first stage ends. Medical sources in Gaza reported that 21 people were killed in Israeli airstrikes overnight into Thursday.

Here's what you need to know 468 days into the war
What happened today​
A woman speaks on the phone at a bus stop decorated with portraits of Israelis hostages held in the Gaza Strip, in Jerusalem on January 15, 2025.
■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: The Israeli cabinet and the government will meet Friday to ratify the cease-fire deal with Hamas after understandings were reached between the two sides. The Israeli delegation in Qatar is scheduled to return to Israel ahead of Friday's cabinet meeting.
  • Lawmaker Arye Dery, a close Netanyahu ally, told his ultra-Orthodox Shas party that he was informed that the disagreements between Israel and Hamas had been resolved, and the deal was moving forward.

  • Earlier on Thursday, PM Netanyahu said Hamas has backtracked on agreements reached during negotiations, creating a "last-minute crisis," and that a cabinet meeting to approve the agreement will not be held until the matter is resolved. Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri denied the "baseless" claim, telling the Qatari outlet Al-Araby Al-Jadeed the organization "is committed to the deal agreed upon with the mediators," and requesting that President-elect Trump "force [Israel] to continue with the agreement."

  • The Biden administration expects the cease-fire and hostage deal to be fully implemented starting Sunday, despite the delay in its approval by the Israeli cabinet, Deputy National Security Adviser Jonathan Finer told CNN.

  • The far-right Religious Zionism party said it would support the cease-fire deal on the condition that the IDF resumes the war in Gaza once its first stage has concluded. Netanyahu again met with the party's chairman, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, promising that the IDF would return to attack Gaza, but only long after the implementation of the second stage of the deal.

  • The U.S. would support an Israeli resumption of hostilities if Hamas were to violate the ceae-fire agreement, President-elect Donald Trump's incoming National Security Advisor Mike Waltz told Fox News, adding "in the end, Hamas will no longer be in Gaza."
"The hollow expression coined by Trump, 'all hell will break out' – without indicating what hell and who will walk through its gates – is the factor that turned the magic key needed to compel Netanyahu to agree to a deal that Biden laid on his desk many months ago. Could Biden have opened the gates of hell himself at an earlier stage? No commission of inquiry will be established in the U.S. to examine all the administration's failures regarding the handling of the war in Gaza, but it appears that both administrations, Biden's and Trump's, can already draw a clear conclusion: Israel only understands force"– Zvi Bar'el
  • A senior Israeli official confirmed that the agreement includes the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Philadelphi corridor along the Egypt-Gaza border at the end of the first 42-day stage.

  • A senior U.S. official said that five female Israeli soldiers are expected to be released on Sunday as part of the deal.

  • Rachel Goldberg and Jon Polin, the parents of Hersh Goldberg-Polin, taken hostage by Hamas and murdered in captivity – welcomed the agreement, saying: "Our beloved son Hersh and so many other innocent civilians should have been saved long ago by a deal like this one, especially since the framework for today's deal has been in place since May 2024." They further emphasized that "It is also time for the innocent civilians of Gaza to be relieved of the suffering they have endured since the Hamas massacre in Israel on October 7th, 2023."

  • Hamas' armed wing said that an Israeli strike that followed the announcement of the cease-fire deal had targeted a place where a female hostage was being held, but did not disclose her fate.
■ GAZA: Medical sources in Gaza reported that 21 people were killed in three separate Israeli airstrikes overnight into Thursday.
  • The IDF said that it struck around 50 targets in Gaza overnight into Thursday, including a terrorist from Hamas' elite Nukhba force, Hasham Zahadi Abu el-Rous, who reportedly participated in the October 7 massacres.

  • The Hamas-controlled Health Ministry in Gaza said that at least 46,788 Palestinians have been killed and 110,453 wounded since the start of the war.
"Don't delay. Start saving everyone you can. Every minute equals life. This lifesaving deal must be signed, sealed and implemented, and the end of the war must follow — for the last of the hostages and for everyone who yearns for life in our part of the world" – Ayala Metzger, whose parents-in-law Tami and Yoram were taken by Hamas on October 7, 2023

■ ISRAEL: Lufthansa Group announced that it plans to renew flights to Israel on February 1. Besides Lufthansa, the group includes Austrian Airlines, Swiss, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings.
  • The head of IDF Military Intelligence has frozen the promotion of a senior intelligence officer in charge of the Gaza Division who is considered among those directly responsible for the intelligence failure preceding Hamas' October 7 attack. Defense Minister Israel Katz said he ordered the appointment canceled, adding that the officer ignored warnings by military spotters on the eve of October 7.

  • The IDF announced that a rocket fell in an open area in southern Israel, near the border with Gaza, after rocket sirens were activated in a community in the area.
 

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The ceasefire in the Gaza Strip should start on Sunday as planned, despite the need for negotiators to tie up a "loose end" at the last minute, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Thursday.
"It's not exactly surprising that in a process and negotiation that has been this challenging and this fraught, you may get a loose end," Blinken told a news conference in Washington. "We're tying up that loose end as we speak."

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the last remaining dispute was over the identities of “some” prisoners Hamas wanted released.

Israel's acceptance of the deal will not be official until it is approved by the security cabinet and government. A vote had been slated for Thursday, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delayed the meeting, accusing Hamas of making last-minute demands.

"The Israeli cabinet will not convene until the mediators notify Israel that Hamas has accepted all elements of the agreement," Netanyahu's office said.
 
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The ceasefire in the Gaza Strip should start on Sunday as planned, despite the need for negotiators to tie up a "loose end" at the last minute, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Thursday.
"It's not exactly surprising that in a process and negotiation that has been this challenging and this fraught, you may get a loose end," Blinken told a news conference in Washington. "We're tying up that loose end as we speak."

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the last remaining dispute was over the identities of “some” prisoners Hamas wanted released.

Israel's acceptance of the deal will not be official until it is approved by the security cabinet and government. A vote had been slated for Thursday, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delayed the meeting, accusing Hamas of making last-minute demands.

"The Israeli cabinet will not convene until the mediators notify Israel that Hamas has accepted all elements of the agreement," Netanyahu's office said.
Netanyahu wont go down in history as a good guy.
 

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Here's what you need to know 469 days into the war


What happened today

Relatives and supporters of Israeli hostages held in Gaza gather in favor of the Gaza truce in Tel Aviv on January 16, 2025.

■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Israel's security cabinet has recommended the approval of the cease-fire and hostage deal with Hamas, ahead of a wider government vote to be held later Friday. Far-right ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich voted against the deal in the security cabinet.
PM Netanyahu's office said that once the deal is approved by the government, the hostages will be released according to the schedule agreed in Doha, beginning on Sunday. Hamas is expected to publish the names of the women hostages to be released on the first day of the deal on Saturday afternoon, Haaretz has learned. Netanyahu's office said that the names will be made public only after the hostages have been handed over to the IDF and their families notified.

On the first day, three Israeli hostages are set to be released, followed by four more on the seventh day. At this stage, Hamas will be required to declare which of the hostages included in the first phase are alive and which are dead.

After that, 12 hostages will be released in four stages – three at a time – on the 14th, 21st, 28th, and 35th days. In the final week of the agreement, the remaining 14 hostages will be released.

Israel's Justice Ministry published a partial list of 95 prisoners and detainees designated for release in the first phase of the deal, which also includes Arab citizens of Israel. There are 70 women, 10 minors and 25 men on the list, which includes Palestinian Parliament member and lawmaker Khalida Jarrar, arrested at the beginning of the war and detained without trial since then; and Noel Abed Fattaha, an Israeli citizen from East Jerusalem, who attempted to murder an Israeli in 2020.

After government approval, the Israeli public usually has 24 hours to file appeals against the deal to the High Court of Justice. Due to the tight timeline, the cabinet is likely to order a reduced timeframe; it is likely that the appeals will be denied.
"The primary obstacle awaits after the completion of the first stage, about six weeks after the start of the deal's implementation. At that point, stage two, there will be 65 hostages in the Gaza Strip, more than half of whom are apparently no longer alive. Multiple difficulties could arise here. Will Hamas keep its word and return everyone? Will the organization succeed in locating all the bodies of the dead hostages? And even more strikingly, do the parties – Netanyahu on one side, Hamas leader in Gaza Mohammed Sinwar on the other – have a vested interest in keeping their promises to the U.S. and enacting the deal in full?"– Amos Harel
Einav Zangauker, whose son Matan is held hostage in Gaza, said that "this is the moment of truth for the Israeli public – to stand with us and ensure that the government implements all stages of the agreement," to lead to the return of all hostages. "We heard this from U.S. President-elect Trump, and we also held talks with senior officials. This is a comprehensive deal in stages, not a partial one," she said.

In a letter sent to Netanyahu, dozens of relatives of hostages, mainly young men held by Hamas who will not be released in the deal's first stage, called on the PM to publicly commit that "all stages of the deal will be carried out until the return of the last hostage."

A dozen protesters gathered near the Gaza border to demonstrate against the cease-fire deal. According to the police, who said they are trying to disperse the protesters, more are expected to arrive, and they plan to stay overnight.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said that the hostage deal "better be done before I take the oath of office" next week. Speaking on the Dan Bongino Show podcast, Trump said that "If we were not involved in this deal, the deal never would have happened. No deal would have happened and the hostages probably never would have seen life again."
■ GAZA: The Hamas-controlled Health Ministry in Gaza said that at least 46,788 Palestinians have been killed and 110,453 wounded since the start of the war.

"A lack of a comprehensive strategic view that includes extending a hand to more moderate Palestinian elements, alongside abandoning the population of the Gaza Strip to armed militias, pushing the PA out of any involvement (and probably even increasing military pressure on its territory) and making do with reconstruction with funds from the Gulf states will certainly lead Israel back to exactly the same place it was before. Gaza will remain traumatized and besieged, under the control of extremist groups from the margins of society, whose only aspirations are revenge" – Noa Landau

■ WEST BANK: Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz announced that he cancelled all outstanding orders for detention without trial against Israeli settlers due to "the expected release of terrorists to the West Bank" as part of the Gaza cease-fire deal.
According to Katz, the decision is meant "to send a clear message of support and encouragement to the settlement project, which stands at the forefront of the struggle against Palestinian terrorism and the growing security challenges. It is better for Jewish settler families to be happy than families of released terrorists."

Following Katz's announcement, all five Jewish administrative detainees were released from custody.
■ LEBANON: Ahead of a visit to Lebanon by French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday, French sources told Haaretz that it's important to France that the IDF withdraw from southern Lebanon according to the schedule determined in the cease-fire agreement.
A Western source with knowledge of the cease-fire monitoring mechanism told Haaretz that the Lebanese army has destroyed a significant amount of Hezbollah infrastructure in areas it has taken control of since the cease-fire began. Meanwhile, IDF forces have retreated from the area of Naqoura in southwestern Lebanon and the area of al-Khiam in southeastern Lebanon.
■ ISRAEL: The Tel Aviv District Court has ordered Israel's Probation Service to consider releasing Ari Rosenfeld, the Israeli soldier accused in the BibiLeaks affair of leaking classified information to a Netanyahu spokesman, to house arrest. The decision follows claims by Rosenfeld's defense attorneys that his mental health has deteriorated in custody, and an assessment by the Shin Bet security service that there is a decreased likelihood of Rosenfeld leaking further classified information.

■ U.S.: In the final television interview of his presidency, outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell that "the idea that Israel is going to be able to sustain itself for the long term without accommodating the Palestinian question and their safety, the safety of American Jews" is "not possible. It's not going to happen."
 

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And I know too many here would celebrate this, but the reality of the death's is just... insane.

"Findings
We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period, suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%. The annualised crude death rate was 39·3 per 1000 people (95% CI 35·7–49·4), representing a rate ratio of 14·0 (95% CI 12·8–17·6) compared with all-cause mortality in 2022, even when ignoring non-injury excess mortality. Women, children (aged <18 years), and older people (aged ≥65 years) accounted for 16 699 (59·1%) of the 28 257 deaths for which age and sex data were available.


The estimated annualised mortality from traumatic injury of 39·3 per 1000 people is exceptionally high, surpassing rates seen during earlier conflicts in the Gaza Strip.8,29 Although daily traumatic injury mortality decreased since December, 2023, both the scale and age–sex patterns of traumatic injury deaths raise grave concerns about the conduct of the military operation in Gaza despite Israel stating that it is acting to minimise civilian casualties. The majority of deaths (59·1%) occurred among women, children, and older people, groups considered particularly vulnerable in conflict-affected settings and less likely to be combatants. The age–sex pattern of mortality during violent conflicts might help investigate the motivations of combatants, albeit only within a much broader evidentiary context. A lack of discrimination in killings by age and sex would manifest itself numerically as a relatively flat age–sex risk—eg, as described by the UN Inter-Agency Group for Child Mortality Estimation during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.30 Our estimates for deaths among women and girls broadly exhibit such a pattern. Among men and boys, we cautiously propose that two processes might be at work: a level of mostly non-discriminant killing across age and sex, with higher risk among young men explained by targeting of combatants (or those presumed to be) plus greater exposures to risk among this stratum—eg, because adult men are more often outdoors procuring supplies, working, or being first responders.

Our findings underestimate the full impact of the military operation in Gaza, as they do not account for non-trauma-related deaths resulting from health service disruption, food insecurity, and inadequate water and sanitation. A recent commentary suggests a potential excess all-cause death toll of 186 000,14 but it applied multiplication factors from other conflicts (Burundi, 1993–2003; Timor-Leste, 1974–99)14 to estimate indirect deaths in the Gaza Strip, which might be inappropriate due to obvious differences in the pre-war burden of disease (compared with Burundi and Timor-Leste, the Gaza Strip featured a high burden of non-communicable disease and a very low burden of undernutrition and infectious disease, although infections have become an increasing challenge since October, 2023).
31 Projections we previously coauthored suggested that in an escalation scenario, Gaza would have experienced 2680 excess deaths from non-communicable diseases, 2720 from endemic infectious diseases, 11 460 from potential epidemics, and 330 from maternal and neonatal health complications during the period from February to August, 2024.32 However, accurately measuring indirect mortality during an ongoing war is fraught with challenges and limitations. Although a ground survey could yield robust estimates, the highly unsafe conditions for humanitarian and health workers inside Gaza and access constraints currently make it unfeasible."


NO ONE can now claim Israel is doing this to "protect itself". Rather this IS the Genocide that numerous people have labeled it as.

And if you support it, then you're just as much a monster as Israel.

For the FINAL time, for idiots - this does NOT mean I support Hamas. Hamas and those who attacked Israel, DO deserve the deaths they did or will get.

But anyone, ANYONE with any sort of honest, logical intelligence cannot look at these facts and think that Hamas will be "stopped" by Israel, even if they kill the 'current' membership. Because if you flipped that script, and are honest about it, you cannot expect a people being massacred on this level NOT to raise their children to hate those who kill on this level.

You do NOT end violence like this with this kind of bullshit.



The first 9 minutes and 42 seconds cover this.
 
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And I know too many here would celebrate this, but the reality of the death's is just... insane.

"Findings
We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period, suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%. The annualised crude death rate was 39·3 per 1000 people (95% CI 35·7–49·4), representing a rate ratio of 14·0 (95% CI 12·8–17·6) compared with all-cause mortality in 2022, even when ignoring non-injury excess mortality. Women, children (aged <18 years), and older people (aged ≥65 years) accounted for 16 699 (59·1%) of the 28 257 deaths for which age and sex data were available.


The estimated annualised mortality from traumatic injury of 39·3 per 1000 people is exceptionally high, surpassing rates seen during earlier conflicts in the Gaza Strip.8,29 Although daily traumatic injury mortality decreased since December, 2023, both the scale and age–sex patterns of traumatic injury deaths raise grave concerns about the conduct of the military operation in Gaza despite Israel stating that it is acting to minimise civilian casualties. The majority of deaths (59·1%) occurred among women, children, and older people, groups considered particularly vulnerable in conflict-affected settings and less likely to be combatants. The age–sex pattern of mortality during violent conflicts might help investigate the motivations of combatants, albeit only within a much broader evidentiary context. A lack of discrimination in killings by age and sex would manifest itself numerically as a relatively flat age–sex risk—eg, as described by the UN Inter-Agency Group for Child Mortality Estimation during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.30 Our estimates for deaths among women and girls broadly exhibit such a pattern. Among men and boys, we cautiously propose that two processes might be at work: a level of mostly non-discriminant killing across age and sex, with higher risk among young men explained by targeting of combatants (or those presumed to be) plus greater exposures to risk among this stratum—eg, because adult men are more often outdoors procuring supplies, working, or being first responders.

Our findings underestimate the full impact of the military operation in Gaza, as they do not account for non-trauma-related deaths resulting from health service disruption, food insecurity, and inadequate water and sanitation. A recent commentary suggests a potential excess all-cause death toll of 186 000,14 but it applied multiplication factors from other conflicts (Burundi, 1993–2003; Timor-Leste, 1974–99)14 to estimate indirect deaths in the Gaza Strip, which might be inappropriate due to obvious differences in the pre-war burden of disease (compared with Burundi and Timor-Leste, the Gaza Strip featured a high burden of non-communicable disease and a very low burden of undernutrition and infectious disease, although infections have become an increasing challenge since October, 2023).
31 Projections we previously coauthored suggested that in an escalation scenario, Gaza would have experienced 2680 excess deaths from non-communicable diseases, 2720 from endemic infectious diseases, 11 460 from potential epidemics, and 330 from maternal and neonatal health complications during the period from February to August, 2024.32 However, accurately measuring indirect mortality during an ongoing war is fraught with challenges and limitations. Although a ground survey could yield robust estimates, the highly unsafe conditions for humanitarian and health workers inside Gaza and access constraints currently make it unfeasible."


NO ONE can now claim Israel is doing this to "protect itself". Rather this IS the Genocide that numerous people have labeled it as.

And if you support it, then you're just as much a monster as Israel.

For the FINAL time, for idiots - this does NOT mean I support Hamas. Hamas and those who attacked Israel, DO deserve the deaths they did or will get.

But anyone, ANYONE with any sort of honest, logical intelligence cannot look at these facts and think that Hamas will be "stopped" by Israel, even if they kill the 'current' membership. Because if you flipped that script, and are honest about it, you cannot expect a people being massacred on this level NOT to raise their children to hate those who kill on this level.

You do NOT end violence like this with this kind of bullshit.



The first 9 minutes and 42 seconds cover this.
Amen.
 

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U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said that the hostage deal "better be done before I take the oath of office" next week.
Israel's government has approved the new Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal with Hamas, paving the way for it to take effect on Sunday.

The decision came after hours of discussions that continued late into the night. Two far-right ministers voted against the deal.

The security cabinet earlier recommended ratifying the agreement, saying it "supports the achievement of the objectives of the war", according to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office.

The terms of the agreement will officially come into force at 08:30 local time (06:30 GMT) on Sunday, Qatari mediators announced.
Are the first handful (in lots of minimum 3 per week?) Israelis to be released living hostages (?) or not-so-living hostages? Is a dead female Israeli soldier still equal to 50 “Palestinians” on the Hamas scoreboard?
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Under the deal, 33 Israeli hostages still held by Hamas in Gaza after 15 months of conflict will be exchanged for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails during the first phase lasting six weeks.
Even at this point, 467 days into this fiasco, has Hamas provided a list of who is alive and who is dead yet, regarding the hostages that Israel doesn’t care about I mean?
Israeli forces will also withdraw from densely populated areas of Gaza, displaced Palestinians will be allowed to begin returning to their homes and hundreds of aid lorries will be allowed into the territory each day.

So the aid is supposed to increase from 500 trucks per day currently to 600. Aside from the lopsided exchange of people above… Israeli troops will withdraw from areas of Gaza in exchange for what from Hamas again?

Weird mental distinction, and as a lawyer, Tec can dissect my mental definitions (I could be wrong here), but generally most criminals in prisons are people that “chose” to do something to put them there…regarding the thousand-ish or so Hamas/Palestinians that will be released in the next six weeks….in exchange for people that, through their actions, didn’t “chose” to be hostages, or holocaustages, depending on who you talk to. Is this mental distinction above incorrect???
 

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Weird mental distinction, and as a lawyer, Tec can dissect my mental definitions (I could be wrong here), but generally most criminals in prisons are people that “chose” to do something to put them there…regarding the thousand-ish or so Hamas/Palestinians that will be released in the next six weeks….in exchange for people that, through their actions, didn’t “chose” to be hostages, or holocaustages, depending on who you talk to. Is this mental distinction above incorrect???
Lawyer ? Thats funny.

Anyway...