Hamas attacks Israel

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Currently distracted by Canadian politics. Waiting to see what happens in the Middle East goat rodeo after January 20th.
The Islamic Friendship Pipeline (no Iran) be given priority after Jan 20. It'll be 20 days after Ukraine cut transit of Russian gas into Europe.

That needs to be made up quickly because its not sitting well with Chechia and Austria who've had to cut industry use of gas for citizens to keep warm.

Israel wanted this but it fell apart.
 
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Squabble with Lebanon and Israel over the gas can be learned about here.


Gaza has gas Israel wants too.


Are there hostages in the Gazan gas fields to defend?
 

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Do you think Gazas gas and new found route will come in handy to help Israel survive their economic crash?


Did they find the holocaustages on Mt Hermon yet? Did the find any in other parts of Lebanon? Any holocaustages in Syria?

Where should they look next? Cairo? Amman? Riyadh?
 
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Here's what you need to know 465 days into the war

What happened today

■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Israeli and international sources confirmed to Haaretz that significant progress was made in the talks, with one source estimating that the parties are "very, very close to finalizing a deal."
Egyptian sources told Al Arabiya news that Hamas had agreed to the final draft of the cease-fire deal, and would announce its agreement publicly after Israel states its approval.

A senior Hamas official who spoke with the Qatari TV channel Al-Araby Al-Jadeed said that the organization is expected to discuss the draft of the agreement on Monday evening, adding that "if there is no harm to the essential points... our answer will be positive."

Qatar's Emir received a Hamas delegation on Monday headed by senior official Khalil al-Hayya to discuss the Gaza cease-fire talks, the emir's office said.

U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told Bloomberg TV that "there is a distinct possibility we can get this deal done this week, before President Biden leaves office," but added that "we've been close before and haven't been able to get across the finish line, so I can't make any predictions."

Palestinian sources said that one of the reasons for the progress is Israel's flexibility regarding which hostages will be released, but added that Israel is still vetoing the release of ten prisoners, including Marwan Barghouti, the head of Fatah's armed wing, Ahmad Saadat, the head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, along with other senior members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

According to one source, in order to prevent another crisis in talks, both sides have agreed that the release of those prisoners will be discussed after the first phase of the deal is completed.

The head of the Palestinian Commission for Detainees, Qadura Fares, told Al-Shams Radio he is set to leave for Qatar Monday, following the progress made in talks. Fares said his goal in Qatar is to identify which Palestinian prisoners will be released as part of the deal, adding that they will include the sick, the elderly, women and children.

Netanyahu met with far-right ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to discuss the emerging deal on Sunday amid their criticism of the move. Following the meeting, Smotrich said that the deal is a "catastrophe for the state of Israel's national security," and stressed that he would "not be part of a surrender deal."

The Religious Zionism faction said that all its members, including those from Ben-Gvir's party, unanimously supported Smotrich's stance against the deal and called for "the continuation of the war until victory."

Smotrich was confronted by bereaved families and hostages' family members at the Knesset after his remarks. Ofir Angrest, whose brother Matan is held by Hamas, said: "The conditions are ripe, it's time for a deal, the prime minister said it. How can you oppose the return of all these hostages?"

"Whoever is looking for Trump's permission for Israel to finally bring down the Palestinian Authority and annex the Palestinian territories best remember that this is the president who signed an agreement with the Taliban, pushed Saudi Arabia into negotiations with the Houthis and demanded that Turkey reach an agreement with the Kurds. Trump also did not renounce the two-state solution that he explicitly presented in his 'deal of the century'"– Zvi Bar'el
 

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Currently distracted by Canadian politics. Waiting to see what happens in the Middle East goat rodeo after January 20th.
But both sides seem galvanized by the prospect of Trump’s return to office. The incoming president said a week ago that “all hell will break out in the Middle East” if the hostages aren’t released by the time he takes office Monday, repeating a threat he had made earlier. He hasn’t explained what he means, but said last week it wouldn’t be good for Hamas or “frankly, for anyone.”
 

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But both sides seem galvanized by the prospect of Trump’s return to office. The incoming president said a week ago that “all hell will break out in the Middle East” if the hostages aren’t released by the time he takes office Monday, repeating a threat he had made earlier. He hasn’t explained what he means, but said last week it wouldn’t be good for Hamas or “frankly, for anyone.”
You mean. . . there'll be a fracas in the middle of the lazy, sunny, pina colada afternoon that is the Middle East?

Oh dear.
 
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But both sides seem galvanized by the prospect of Trump’s return to office. The incoming president said a week ago that “all hell will break out in the Middle East” if the hostages aren’t released by the time he takes office Monday, repeating a threat he had made earlier. He hasn’t explained what he means, but said last week it wouldn’t be good for Hamas or “frankly, for anyone.”
Trump envoy forced Netanyahu to accept Gaza plan he repeatedly rejected.

Says headline this AM

Dead hostages tell no tales.

 

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Here's what you need to know 466 days into the war

What happened today

■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Israel and Hamas are finalizing the terms of a cease-fire deal that could be announced as soon as Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing Arab and Israeli officials.

Hamas has accepted a draft agreement for the cease-fire, two officials involved in the talks said. In an official statement, Hamas said its leaders are satisfied with the state of negotiations and that they hope a clear and comprehensive deal will be implemented. Palestinian Islamic Jihad said it sent a delegation to Doha to participate in talks to finalize the agreement.

Qatari Foreign Ministry spokesman Majed al-Ansari confirmed that drafts had been submitted to both sides for approval and that "the main and challenging differences have been resolved." Al-Ansari added that "We have reached the final stage, but we shouldn't exaggerate. The talks are progressing positively and seriously, but we need to wait a bit longer."

The first phase of the emerging deal will allow for the release of 33 hostages categorized as humanitarian cases, including women, children, men over 55, and the ill, according to Israeli officials. Hamas has yet to respond about the condition of these hostages, though Israeli sources believe most of them are alive.

The IDF is not expected to withdraw from Gaza until all hostages are returned, but will allow movement of residents from southern Gaza to the north of the Strip, the officials told Haaretz.

Sixteen days after the agreement is signed, talks on the second phase, in which the remaining hostages would be released, are set to begin, the officials said.

The deal's implementation from Israel's side requires a security cabinet discussion and cabinet approval, along with a time frame allowing for potential petitions to the High Court of Justice.

Hamas will release three hostages on the first day of the cease-fire agreement, after which Israel would begin pulling back its forces from populated areas in Gaza, a Palestinian official familiar with the negotiations told the BBC, adding that Hamas would release four additional hostages a week later and Israel would allow displaced Gazans to return to northern Gaza.

An Israeli official told CNN that Israel "made all the compromises that are needed to bring a deal. It's in the hands of Hamas and they need to make this decision." According to the official, Israel is set to release "many hundreds" of Palestinian prisoners as part of the deal but that "until Hamas will tell us how many of our hostages are alive, I don't know how many prisoners – terrorists – will be released."

Egypt is preparing to open the Rafah border crossing to receive the Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners if a cease-fire is secured, Al-Araby Al-Jadeed news reported, citing Egyptian sources.

According to the report, humanitarian aid and fuel will enter Gaza through the crossing on the cease-fire's first day, along with mobile homes, tents and land-clearing machines.

An Israeli source told Haaretz that the body of slain Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar will not be handed over as part of the deal, despite a report suggesting this in the Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya network. The source said, "It won't happen, period."

Israeli officials refused to comment on the possibility that Israel would grant immunity to the current Hamas leadership as part of the deal or that senior Hamas figures could be exiled to a third country.

"For eight full months, the same deal that is now on the table was presented time and time again by Qatar and the United States. But Netanyahu only had politics and his own survival in mind, and then the U.S. election and Trump's inauguration. This level of callousness, cruelty, disregard for the hostages and indifference toward their traumatized families – who he even blamed for undermining him – and the sheer recklessness in prosecuting a war with no defined, tangible and attainable objectives is staggering even by Mr. Netanyahu's standards. Even his harshest critics and most vehement detractors didn't think a year ago that it would get to this"– Alon Pinkas

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump told Newsmax that a hostage release deal is "very close" and that Israel and Hamas "have to get it done. If they don't get it done, there's going to be a lot of trouble out there like they have never seen before," adding that "they're getting it finished. Maybe by the end of the week."

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said that the families are demanding a comprehensive agreement that will ensure the release of all hostages, both living and dead. Families of hostages who met with Netanyahu on Tuesday said they "demand starting negotiations on the subsequent phases [of the deal] now, because every moment is critical for our hostages. We are very disturbed by this lack of continuity between stages."

Relatives of deceased hostages who were excluded from the meeting protested it in Jerusalem. Chaim Haiman, whose daughter Inbar was murdered in Hamas captivity, said: "No one needs to represent me, it's unacceptable for representatives to speak on behalf of my daughter."

Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to join him and tell Netanyahu that they will both quit the government if Israel agrees to the cease-fire deal. Later on Tuesday, Smotrich met with Netanyahu to talk about the details of the agreement.

In his statement, Ben-Gvir said that his party had succeeded "in the past year, through our political power" to scupper a hostage deal but that his party was "no longer the decisive factor" because more parties backing a deal had since joined Netanyahu's coalition. Netanyahu has serially denied that the Israeli government was to blame for the failure to achieve a hostage deal, saying that it was Hamas' fault alone.

"Without a doubt, Hamas will exploit the freeing of large numbers of Palestinian prisoners to enhance its status with the Palestinian public both in Gaza and in the West Bank. An Israeli withdrawal from the Netzarim Corridor and from part of the Philadelphi Corridor in the first stage will limit IDF control over Gaza. The agreement does not ensure any kind of real supervision over the return of Palestinians to Northern Gaza. All of these concessions were not only forced on Israel by Trump but are also being undertaken to begin the process of bringing home the hostages, both alive and dead. This is a heavy but unavoidable price" – Amos Harel
 

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Here’s the CBC take on things. Amid the relief at the prospect of hostages returning home and an end to the slaughter and destruction in Gaza, there are also plenty of questions about why the potential ceasefire between Israel and Hamas — being brokered with the help of Qatar — couldn't have been signed eight months ago.

Why couldn’t they have done this eight months ago? No reason.
(For some observers, a key difference is an incoming U.S. president who Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu found it hard to say no to, but that’s probably just a coincidence)

More than 46,000 people have been killed in Gaza over the last 15 months — and the pace of Israeli bombing has continued unrelentingly even as negotiators pushed for a final deal, with 27 more dead just in the last day.

On the Israeli side, more than 1,200 were killed during Hamas's rampage through Israeli communities on Oct. 7, 2023, most of them civilians, with a further 403 soldiers losing their lives fighting in Gaza.

Hamas took almost 250 people hostage and a few dozen are still believed to be alive in captivity.

Under the terms of the ceasefire, Hamas has agreed to return 33 hostages within the first 16 days, and then negotiate to return the rest. Israel has agreed to a withdrawal from most of Gaza, except for a buffer area around the perimeter. As the hostages are released, Israel would also free more than 1,000 Palestinians detained in Israeli jails.

On Monday, U.S. President Joe Biden appeared to take credit for the breakthrough, saying the current proposal is largely the same one he and his team tried to get both sides to agree to eight months ago, without success.
 
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