COVID-19 'Pandemic'

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And the thalidomide disaster led to vastly ramped-up authority for the Food and Drug Administration, which your Orange Jesus and Bobby Kennedy's idiot kid are now trying to dismantle.
Did it? A friend's 38 year old son recently hung himself. He was taking testosterone injections, which have been proven to cause suicidal thoughts.
There are still antidepressants on the market that have a listed side effect of causing depression and suicide.
 

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Did it? A friend's 38 year old son recently hung himself. He was taking testosterone injections, which have been proven to cause suicidal thoughts.
There are still antidepressants on the market that have a listed side effect of causing depression and suicide.
You're right. It's perfect, or it's useless. No such thing as "better" and "worse."
 

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So if one person has a bad reaction to a vaccine or medication that can save millions, it should be banned?

Like penicillin?
I wouldn't think so but I think that there's no way it should be mandatory for everyone to take penicillin just because some people might catch whatever.

But then I'm against seat belt laws being mandatory for everyone. I can see them being a law for parents to buckle up their kids but once they are of age to decide for themselves then it should be an individual's choice on whether to wear one or not. I would be dead today had I been wearing my seat belt on 9/9/81. The seat belt law had just come into effect a few months previous and I so wanted them to charge me for not wearing one, because to see pictures of the wreckage there's no way anyone would have lived through that. But for it being a new law I suppose they didn't want any Sensational and controversial cases in the news, back when news agencies actually reported the news, so I suppose they thought better of laying a charge on someone who would be a corpse otherwise.
Legislators will often cite, "if it saves one life it's a good law", but I say no, if it kills one life it's a bad law.
The fact that lawmakers have been misled by Pharmacy funded media to push their drugs on everyone is a damn shame. But they need to go after the orchestrators of the whole fucking scamdemic and leave those who rightfully chose not to get a vaccine or social distance or wear a mask, which had no effect whatsoever but were only imposed to hype the fear, the fuck alone!
 

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Five things we know and still don’t know about COVID, 5 years later
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Lauran Neergaard, Laura Ungar And Mike Stobbe
Published Jan 02, 2025 • 4 minute read

Five years ago, a cluster of people in Wuhan, China, fell sick with a virus never before seen in the world.


The germ didn’t have a name, nor did the illness it would cause. It wound up setting off a pandemic that exposed deep inequities in the global health system and reshaped public opinion about how to control deadly emerging viruses.

The virus is still with us, though humanity has built up immunity through vaccinations and infections. It’s less deadly than it was in the pandemic’s early days and it no longer tops the list of leading causes of death. But the virus is evolving, meaning scientists must track it closely.


Where did the SARS-CoV-2 virus come from?
We don’t know. Scientists think the most likely scenario is that it circulated in bats, like many coronaviruses. They think it then infected another species, probably racoon dogs, civet cats or bamboo rats, which in turn infected humans handling or butchering those animals at a market in Wuhan, where the first human cases appeared in late November 2019.


That’s a known pathway for disease transmission and likely triggered the first epidemic of a similar virus, known as SARS. But this theory has not been proven for the virus that causes COVID-19. Wuhan is home to several research labs involved in collecting and studying coronaviruses, fueling debate over whether the virus instead may have leaked from one.

It’s a difficult scientific puzzle to crack in the best of circumstances. The effort has been made even more challenging by political sniping around the virus’ origins and by what international researchers say are moves by China to withhold evidence that could help.

The true origin of the pandemic may not be known for many years — if ever.

How many people died from COVID-19?

Probably more than 20 million. The World Health Organization has said member countries reported more than 7 million deaths from COVID-19 but the true death toll is estimated to be at least three times higher.

In the U.S., an average of about 900 people a week have died of COVID-19 over the past year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The coronavirus continues to affect older adults the most. Last winter in the U.S., people age 75 and older accounted for about half the nation’s COVID-19 hospitalizations and in-hospital deaths, according to the CDC.

“We cannot talk about COVID in the past, since it’s still with us,” WHO director Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.

Covid-19 vaccine
What vaccines were made available?

Scientists and vaccine-makers broke speed records developing COVID-19 vaccines that have saved tens of millions of lives worldwide — and were the critical step to getting life back to normal.

Less than a year after China identified the virus, health authorities in the U.S. and Britain cleared vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna. Years of earlier research — including Nobel-winning discoveries that were key to making the new technology work — gave a head start for so-called mRNA vaccines.

Today, there’s also a more traditional vaccine made by Novavax, and some countries have tried additional options. Rollout to poorer countries was slow but the WHO estimates more than 13 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered globally since 2021.


The vaccines aren’t perfect. They do a good job of preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death, and have proven very safe, with only rare serious side effects. But protection against milder infection begins to wane after a few months.

Like flu vaccines, COVID-19 shots must be updated regularly to match the ever-evolving virus — contributing to public frustration at the need for repeated vaccinations. Efforts to develop next-generation vaccines are underway, such as nasal vaccines that researchers hope might do a better job of blocking infection.

Which variant is dominating now?
Genetic changes called mutations happen as viruses make copies of themselves. And this virus has proven to be no different.


Scientists named these variants after Greek letters: alpha, beta, gamma, delta and omicron. Delta, which became dominant in the U.S. in June 2021, raised a lot of concerns because it was twice as likely to lead to hospitalization as the first version of the virus.

Then in late November 2021, a new variant came on the scene: omicron.

“It spread very rapidly,” dominating within weeks, said Dr. Wesley Long, a pathologist at Houston Methodist in Texas. “It drove a huge spike in cases compared to anything we had seen previously.”

But on average, the WHO said, it caused less severe disease than delta. Scientists believe that may be partly because immunity had been building due to vaccination and infections.

“Ever since then, we just sort of keep seeing these different subvariants of omicron accumulating more different mutations,” Long said. “Right now, everything seems to locked on this omicron branch of the tree.”


The omicron relative now dominant in the U.S. is called XEC, which accounted for 45% of variants circulating nationally in the two-week period ending Dec. 21, the CDC said. Existing COVID-19 medications and the latest vaccine booster should be effective against it, Long said, since “it’s really sort of a remixing of variants already circulating.”

What do we know about long COVID?
Millions of people remain in limbo with a sometimes disabling, often invisible, legacy of the pandemic called long COVID.

It can take several weeks bounce back after a bout of COVID-19, but some people develop more persistent problems. The symptoms that last at least three months, sometimes for years, include fatigue, cognitive trouble known as “brain fog,” pain and cardiovascular problems, among others.

Doctors don’t know why only some people get long COVID. It can happen even after a mild case and at any age, although rates have declined since the pandemic’s early years. Studies show vaccination can lower the risk.

It also isn’t clear what causes long COVID, which complicates the search for treatments. One important clue: Increasingly researchers are discovering that remnants of the coronavirus can persist in some patients’ bodies long after their initial infection, although that can’t explain all cases.
 

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I wouldn't think so but I think that there's no way it should be mandatory for everyone to take penicillin just because some people might catch whatever.

But then I'm against seat belt laws being mandatory for everyone. I can see them being a law for parents to buckle up their kids but once they are of age to decide for themselves then it should be an individual's choice on whether to wear one or not. I would be dead today had I been wearing my seat belt on 9/9/81. The seat belt law had just come into effect a few months previous and I so wanted them to charge me for not wearing one, because to see pictures of the wreckage there's no way anyone would have lived through that. But for it being a new law I suppose they didn't want any Sensational and controversial cases in the news, back when news agencies actually reported the news, so I suppose they thought better of laying a charge on someone who would be a corpse otherwise.
Legislators will often cite, "if it saves one life it's a good law", but I say no, if it kills one life it's a bad law.
The fact that lawmakers have been misled by Pharmacy funded media to push their drugs on everyone is a damn shame. But they need to go after the orchestrators of the whole fucking scamdemic and leave those who rightfully chose not to get a vaccine or social distance or wear a mask, which had no effect whatsoever but were only imposed to hype the fear, the fuck alone!
Hmmm. . . I actually agree with everything you just said (the irrelevance of the penicillin "comparison" notwithstanding).

That can't be good.
 

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I wouldn't think so but I think that there's no way it should be mandatory for everyone to take penicillin just because some people might catch whatever.

Wow...

The fact that lawmakers have been misled by Pharmacy funded media to push their drugs on everyone is a damn shame.

Double wow...

But they need to go after the orchestrators of the whole fucking scamdemic

And who would those "orchestraters" be? Because I'm pretty sure you can't fucking sue a virus, and the ones who originally got it are already fucking dead.

"Scamdemic" - yeah, tell that to the families of people who got Covid and fucking died.

and leave those who rightfully chose not to get a vaccine

You don't want the vaccine? Fine, deal with the consequences of that choice.

or social distance or wear a mask,

Then you stay fucking housebound and don't ever leave it, because why does YOUR life matter but others do not?

which had no effect whatsoever but were only imposed to hype the fear,

It did have an effect but because you're obviously too goddamn stupid to know that, of course you believe the bullshit conspiracy theories.

the fuck alone!

And how about the anti-vaxxers leave the rest of us alone? You want to play with fucking fire? That's on you, but you do NOT get to involve me or mine in your wackadoo reality.
 
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Serryah, I fully support the right of anyone to refuse this or any other vaccine.

Think of it as evolution in action.

And I fully support that people should then sue those who refuse and put others at risk of "injury or death" because of their ignorance.

Though thinking of it as evolution in action is a great idea in theory, that they also put at risk others who may not have the ability to survive THEIR stupidity is another story.
 

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And I fully support that people should then sue those who refuse and put others at risk of "injury or death" because of their ignorance.
I'm a lawyer. How could I possibly disagree?
Though thinking of it as evolution in action is a great idea in theory, that they also put at risk others who may not have the ability to survive THEIR stupidity is another story.
Well, I also fully support the right of individuals, businesses, and government offices to say "Covid card or fuck off" to anybody seeking services.
 

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And I fully support that people should then sue those who refuse and put others at risk of "injury or death" because of their ignorance.

Though thinking of it as evolution in action is a great idea in theory, that they also put at risk others who may not have the ability to survive THEIR stupidity is another story.
In theory, if you are vaccinated, you should be relatively immune to the disease. The other person's choice shouldn't make a difference to you. I wouldn't want to wear a mask to protect them (the unvaxed) from getting it however. Let them deal with their consequences.
 

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I'm a lawyer. How could I possibly disagree?

LOL - okay, give you that one.

Well, I also fully support the right of individuals, businesses, and government offices to say "Covid card or fuck off" to anybody seeking services.

And workers who as part of their jobs need vaccinations?

In theory, if you are vaccinated, you should be relatively immune to the disease.

Vaccinations don't give 100% immunity, but yes.

The other person's choice shouldn't make a difference to you. I wouldn't want to wear a mask to protect them (the unvaxed) from getting it however. Let them deal with their consequences.

If we're just talking idiots who didn't get vaccinated because of their stupidity and fear, that's one thing.

But there are people out there who can't get vaccinated for some things - due to allergies, immune compromised, age and whatnot - who DON'T have a choice.

This is where anti-vaxxers show their selfish asshole selves, IMO.

Because getting the vaccine isn't just about them. It's about the others who CAN'T and who are at higher risk of getting sick and/or dying due to their "Choice".

Whether it's Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Pertussis, the Flu (though the Flu vaccine is problematic for several reasons) or Covid, it's not just about individual people. It's "the good of society", too.

Covid, sadly, allowed people who don't give a shit about others to become a force in the world with a loud fucking voice for their lack of basic humanity.
 
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LOL - okay, give you that one.



And workers who as part of their jobs need vaccinations?



Vaccinations don't give 100% immunity, but yes.



If we're just talking idiots who didn't get vaccinated because of their stupidity and fear, that's one thing.

But there are people out there who can't get vaccinated for some things - due to allergies, immune compromised, age and whatnot - who DON'T have a choice.

This is where anti-vaxxers show their selfish asshole selves, IMO.

Because getting the vaccine isn't just about them. It's about the others who CAN'T and who are at higher risk of getting sick and/or dying due to their "Choice".

Whether it's Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Pertussis, the Flu (though the Flu vaccine is problematic for several reasons) or Covid, it's not just about individual people. It's "the good of society", too.

Covid, sadly, allowed people who don't give a shit about others to become a force in the world with a loud fucking voice for their lack of basic humanity.
I know no one who did not get vaxxed that regrets that decision and many that regret getting the shot . Only my own personal observation for what it is worth .
 
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I would make it purely voluntary. And I would make continuing to employ them purely voluntary.

Yeah, that's what it was during Covid; but when people volunteered not to get the vaccine, they got mad when they were told their employment was no longer with people. And yeah I was specifically talking medical people.

Now we're at the point of "If you don't want the vaccine, you can't work with patients/in patient areas" unless they agree to mask up at least. Last fall a nurse in the ED tested positive for Covid while at work. At first he had to wear a mask but then was told he had to go home. When he came back a few days later, he had to wear a mask and couldn't deal with patients until his Covid test was negative.

For my department where we still deal with patients if we get Covid we're encouraged not to come in if we feel like shit, but if we feel up to it, we can return to work, just mask up.

Covid now is like when you get the flu/a cold.
 
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Yeah, that's what it was during Covid; but when people volunteered not to get the vaccine, they got mad when they were told their employment was no longer with people. And yeah I was specifically talking medical people.

Now we're at the point of "If you don't want the vaccine, you can't work with patients/in patient areas" unless they agree to mask up at least. Last fall a nurse in the ED tested positive for Covid while at work. At first he had to wear a mask but then was told he had to go home. When he came back a few days later, he had to wear a mask and couldn't deal with patients until his Covid test was negative.

For my department where we still deal with patients if we get Covid we're encouraged not to come in if we feel like shit, but if we feel up to it, we can return to work, just mask up.

Covid now is like when you get the flu/a cold.
Well, with wide availability of the vaccine, I'd say that's not unreasonable.

When I was in the Air Force, you got your shots or you got a discharge. Seemed simple enough. All binary an' shit.
 
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Well, with wide availability of the vaccine, I'd say that's not unreasonable.

When I was in the Air Force, you got your shots or you got a discharge. Seemed simple enough. All binary an' shit.

Same with working health care, but there are people who used to who decided that their patients didn't matter.

Sad thing is the people out there being anti-vax focus on that Covid is a "new" tech with mRNA being used and likely now because of that negative connection, we're going to have the same idiots demands that other vaccines that are going to be mRNA based not be given out.



Considering my place of work, having a vaccine for C. dificille, SARS/MERS, Hep C, Norovirus and HIV, for example would be fucking amazing.

That my family has a history of cancer, a vaccine for that is mind-blowing.

I get that the usual first line of excuse by anti-vaxxers is that "Covid vaccine was rushed!" and I get that. I felt the same way. Had I issues with vaccines or allergies, I'd be more than freaked out about it. But since I don't have issues, it didn't make sense to be freaked out and after reading up on it, and seeing that it did, in fact, work, I was good with taking it.

I think part of those who got so butthurt over it were part of the "Don't tell me what to do!" crowd, but their childish tantrum shouldn't be an excuse for risking others.
 
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