Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

I hate to say it but you arent going to see that.

Shekels to bagels says Bibi and the Jew Klux Klan are toast by spring. Trump has no choice but go the two state route and focus on unifying the Arabs. The Jews and Arabs are all fucked up the hoop if it doesn’t happen.

Bullshit you say?

I asked "which Muzzies do you fear"?

Nobody considered asking me.

Arabs and north Africans dont have nukes so no biggie.

I fear the ones involved in BRICS. 3 of them have nukes and the ability to blockade both the PERSIAN Gulf and Red Seas in a heartbeat. If Israel fucks things up further that trio can help themselves to all the Arabian peninsula including Israel.

If Trump cant give the Arabs security theyll have to go BRICS. The USD will be toilet paper and the nutjobs take over Mecca and Jerusalem.

Nobody thinks of India who is an Iranian ally.

India docks naval warships at Iran port as war escalates. Is this a strategic response to the Middle-East strife?

Israel-Iran War: Three Indian Navy ships have arrived in Bandar Abbas, Iran, for a training deployment to the Persian Gulf. The visit aims to strengthen maritime cooperation between India and Iran through professional exchanges and exercises. The ships received a ceremonial welcome and will...

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Saudi MBS and allies have a decision to make.

Abraham Accord is going to make a comeback with a requirement of a Palestinian State.

USD/Pound/Euro or BRICS? Whats it going to be?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Can you recommend a punishment for "Israel?"

One that isn’t already being done, or hasn’t already been done? Something new & different? After the Six-Day War, Jewish communities weren't built in Gaza City, but in Gush Katif in the southwestern part of the Gaza Strip, f.e. Kfar Darom – established in 1946, evacuated in 1948 after an Egyptian attack, resettled in 1970, evacuated in 2005 as part of the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

Israel's plan of unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip and North Samaria put forward by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was carried out on 15 August 2005. The purpose of the plan was to improve Israel's security and international status in the absence of peace negotiations with the Palestinians. How did that work out for them?

With the implementation of the plan, IDF installations and forces were removed and over 9000 Israeli citizens living in 25 settlements were evicted. By 22 September 2005, Israel's withdrawal from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the eviction of the four settlements in Samaria, was completed.

In June 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority. Many thousands of rockets and mortar shells have been fired from the Gaza Strip onto southern Israeli towns and villages, terrorizing and destabilizing the lives of hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens.

May Israel be held to account for this insanity some day.

1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia

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Straits of Tiran - Wikipedia

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Suez Crisis - Wikipedia

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Israeli passage through the Suez Canal and Straits of Tiran - Wikipedia

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Six-Day War - Wikipedia

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(& a handful of “militias”…)

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia

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Mehola Junction bombing - Wikipedia

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Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing - Wikipedia

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Matza restaurant suicide bombing - Wikipedia

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Patt Junction bus bombing - Wikipedia

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Kiryat Menachem bus bombing - Wikipedia

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October 7 attacks - Wikipedia

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In April, Iran conducted its first-ever direct attack on Israeli territory, launching some 300 missiles and drones, the vast majority of which were shot down in a multinational effort.

That’ll learn those pesky kids Jews…to hold them in account for their existence.

On Oct. 1, Iran fired more than 180 ballistic missiles at Israel, forcing the entire civilian population of the Jewish state into bomb shelters.

The targets of the Iranian attack were believed to be three Israeli Air Force bases, as well as an IDF military intelligence headquarters just north of Tel Aviv.

What a retard. He should go move to Gaza.

I don’t think Jews are allowed there, so hopefully he’s not in that demographic. In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover.

(Egypt also began its blockade of Gaza in 2007, but Egypt & Israel are different countries)

The Gaza Strip's security is mainly handled by Hamas through its military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, internal security service, and civil police force. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 operatives, or at least it use to…pre-Oct 7th, 2023. How many does it have today according to the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry?

Cut military aid. They wont need it. Israel's future is Haredi. They wont do military. Their women are pregnant at all times (forced?) familes of 10 or more kids when secular and Torah Jews are barely replenishing. It will be a hardcore Theocracy.

Judging the nation of Israel based on the Haredi is like judging the U.S. based upon the Amish or Mormons, but OK.

Really the best/only punishment would be monetary, wherein they would have to pay out to the Palestinians they've decided don't deserve to exist. You won't get "Denial of future deals in weapons" from anyone currently supplying. Embargo's would be nice but again, you won't get that either.

OK. Are they (Israel & the Jews) the only ones that get punished is this scenario?

Anyone else? Fault only on Israel (?) or do you propose spreading that love around?
What about Iran? Or Britain? Egypt? Jordan? Qatar for funding & hosting the Hamas elite? Maybe some of the “paramilitary militias” in the neighbourhood? Or is this just an Israel thing?

Shekels to bagels says Bibi and the Jew Klux Klan are toast by spring. Trump has no choice but go the two state route and focus on unifying the Arabs.

Yep. I think that’s been offered a few times.

(& not the pre-early June 1967 borders either ‘cuz Shhhhhh…)

Peacekeeping (international) forces will be moved into Egypt (as observers, whatever) about 6 months into 2025 on the Gaza border…trying to figure out how to word this as a vague question as opposed to an educated guess/statement…to enforce, in a limpwristed UN sorta way…what? A Trump two state solution different than the last one he proposed that was rejected?

• The US will recognise Israeli sovereignty over territory that Mr Trump's plan envisages being part of Israel. The plan includes a conceptual map that Mr Trump says illustrates the territorial compromises that Israel is willing to make
• The map will "more than double the Palestinian territory and provide a Palestinian capital in eastern Jerusalem", where Mr Trump says the US would open an embassy. The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) said Mr Trump's plan would give Palestinians control over 15% of what it called "historic Palestine".
• Jerusalem "will remain Israel's undivided capital". Both Israel and the Palestinians hold competing claims to the holy city. The Palestinians insist that East Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war, be the capital of their future state.
• An opportunity for Palestinians to "achieve an independent state of their very own" - however, he gave few details.
• "No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes" - suggesting that existing Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank will remain.
• Israel will work with the king of Jordan to ensure that the status quo governing the key holy site in Jerusalem known to Jews as the Temple Mount and al-Haram al-Sharif to Muslims is preserved. Jordan runs the religious trust that administers the site.
• Territory allocated to Palestinians in Mr Trump's map "will remain open and undeveloped for a period of four years". During that time, Palestinians can study the deal, negotiate with Israel, and "achieve the criteria for statehood".

 

[petros]

Now that its about economic survival shit is going to change fast. It has too. Not settling this now tanks the USD. UAE recently went BRICS and Saudis havent turned down a formal invititation.

Isreal is USD reliant


Wakie wakie, hands off snakie.

BRICS Reloaded: Economics, Oil, and Geopolitics at Kazan 2024​

Author : Soumya Bhowmick

Originally PublishedCouncil of Foreign Relations Published on Nov 09, 20.​

A core focus of the 2024 summit was modernising security and economic cooperation, with key discussions ranging from counterterrorism to carbon-unit trading. The summit also addressed critical security challenges including cybersecurity, terrorism, and regional stability. Historically, the BRICS have been more successful in opposing the Western dominance of global governance structures than articulating a clear, cohesive vision for reform. The increased diversity within the expanded BRICS bloc could complicate efforts to reach unified policy positions, particularly in multilateral forums such as the Group of Twenty (G20).

The BRICS have been more successful in opposing the Western dominance of global governance structures than articulating a clear, cohesive vision for reform.

While the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries Plus (OPEC+) will continue to manage the international oil market, the expanded BRICS energy profile could influence the sector in the long term. The inclusion of the UAE and Iran significantly boosts the BRICS energy profile, and if Saudi Arabia formally accepts BRICS membership, the bloc will represent 42 per cent of the global oil supply. The presence of major oil exporters alongside key importers China and India—both of whom did not favour Western sanctions on Russia—highlights the bloc’s potential to establish alternative trade mechanisms that bypass the dominance of the U.S. dollar and the financial influence of the Group of Seven (G7).

India reiterated its commitment to a balanced multipolar world and a reformed global order, advocating for resolving conflicts through diplomacy. Discussions with Russia centered on the Ukraine crisis, where Prime Minister Modi emphasized diplomatic solutions and offered assistance for the safe return of Indian nationals. In the first India-Iran talks since President Masoud Pezeshkian's election, priorities included regional stability and boosting trade through the Chabahar Port. Modi’s meeting with President Xi Jinping signaled a warming of India-China relations, with both sides agreeing to resume border patrols in Ladakh.

Finally, as a critical player in the BRICS and a leading voice for the Global South, India aims to expand its diplomatic influence, positioning itself as a bridge between Western powers and emerging economies. India advocated for greater cooperation in information and communication technologies and security, emphasising real-time geospatial data sharing for border security and the fight against transnational terrorism.

India reiterated its commitment to a balanced multipolar world and a reformed global order, advocating for resolving conflicts through diplomacy.

Additionally, the summit offered India an opportunity to further its strategic interests while managing the difficulties posed by China. India must carefully navigate this space going forward to avoid the bloc being dominated by Sino-Russian interests, which could strain its relations with the West.

The 2024 BRICS summit represented a significant moment for the bloc, with India playing a pivotal role in shaping its future. By championing innovation in security, economic cooperation, and multilateral diplomacy, India seeks to enhance its standing in an increasingly multipolar world.

 

[petros]

Can you recommend a punishment for "Israel?"

Cut military aid. They wont need it. Israel's future is Haredi. They wont do military. Their women are pregnant at all times (forced?) familes of 10 or more kids when secular and Torah Jews are barely replenishing. It will be a hardcore Theocracy.

Israel worried U.S. could halt weapons supply amid looming ultimatum on Gaza aid

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[petros]

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel. The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz. The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza. Hezbollah fired over 185 rockets at Haifa and northern Israel on Monday.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as…

Is the US really gonna do anything before January 20th…or are they going to pursue one course before January 20th, & a different course after January 20th?

Biden (if he’s still president?) or Harris (if she ever was anything beyond token VP), assume they know they’re out & the new/old guy is probably gonna take a different direction, etc…?

Does any decree pre-Jan 20th really mean anything?

 

[petros]

Is the US really gonna do anything before January 20th…or are they going to pursue one course before January 20th, & a different course after January 20th?

Biden (if he’s still president?) or Harris (if she ever was anything beyond token VP), assume they know they’re out & the new/old guy is probably gonna take a different direction, etc…?

Does any decree pre-Jan 20th really mean anything?

No choice, the clock is ticking. USD has already lost 50% in the past year. Gold didnt go up. USD lost value.

 

[petros]

Arab Americans for Trump Chairman Claims Two-state Promise From President-elect

The Palestinian American Bishara Bahbah, leader of Arab Americans for Trump, described his shift from Biden supporter to Trump advocate, citing the response to the Gaza war

Rachel Fink
Nov 10, 2024

The founder and national chairman of Arab Americans for Trump said U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has "100 percent"

 

[Ron in Regina]

No choice, the clock is ticking.

President-elect Donald Trump has named Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik to serve as the US ambassador to the United Nations. Maybe more going on here?

USD has already lost 50% in the past year. Gold didnt go up. USD lost value.

50%? So….basically its purchasing power has halved so the cost of everything in the US would have essentially doubled then? Is that what you’re saying here?

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OK? There generally is a correlation, if USD goes down then gold goes up, but there’s a whole lotta speculation in that rise in the value of gold too outside of the USD too.

Anyway, the New York Congresswoman has minimal experience in foreign policy and national security. She has served on the House Armed Services Committee and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Since Hamas's 7 October attack, she has become one of the most outspoken supporters of Israel in Congress, garnering national attention as she led congressional hearings about university presidents' handling of protests on college campuses.

Last month, she argued there should be a “complete reassessment of US funding of the United Nations” after the Palestinian Authority tried to expel Israel from the UN over human rights abuses in Gaza.

Who is Elise Stefanik, Trump's pick for UN ambassador? — BBC News

Stefanik has been critical of the UN for what she argues is a lack of sufficient support for Israel's war against Hamas.

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In a statement on Monday, Israel's international spokesperson to the UN said the country's ambassador, Danny Danon, "looks forward to working closely with Elise Stefanik on tackling malicious lies at the UN advanced by hostile nations while staying unswervingly committed to truth and justice".

Arab Americans for Trump Chairman Claims Two-state Promise From President-elect

The Palestinian American Bishara Bahbah, leader of Arab Americans for Trump, described his shift from Biden supporter to Trump advocate, citing the response to the Gaza war

Rachel Fink
Nov 10, 2024

The founder and national chairman of Arab Americans for Trump said U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has "100 percent"

Yes, he did this his last term too. This is nothing new, but it is consistent.

 

[petros]

President-elect Donald Trump has named Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik to serve as the US ambassador to the United Nations. Maybe more going on here?

50%? So….basically its purchasing power has halved so the cost of everything in the US would have essentially doubled then? Is that what you’re saying here?

OK? There generally is a correlation, if USD goes down then gold goes up, but there’s a whole lotta speculation in that rise in the value of gold too outside of the USD too.

Gold was plummeting (somebody dumping) until OCT 8 2023 when it started it climb.

BRICS "Unit" is 40% gold backed. USD oil backed. Arab oil backed.

Putin Confirms BRICS Developing Independent Payment System | The Jerusalem Post

Putin confirms BRICS is building an independent payment system, potentially backed by gold, aimed at reducing reliance on the US dollar and reshaping global financial dynamics.

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[Ron in Regina]

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel. The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz. The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza. Hezbollah fired over 185 rockets at Haifa and northern Israel on Monday.

Is the US really gonna do anything before January 20th…or are they going to pursue one course before January 20th, & a different course after January 20th?

Biden (if he’s still president?) or Harris (if she ever was anything beyond token VP), assume they know they’re out & the new/old guy is probably gonna take a different direction, etc…?

Does any decree pre-Jan 20th really mean anything?

Blinken decides against changing military assistance to Israel, Axios reports — Reuters

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has decided not to change military assistance to Israel for now, Axios reported on Tuesday, citing two unnamed U.S. officials.

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[Serryah]

But I'm sure he's lying, or taking things out of context, right?

How can any of you approve of this? Think this is okay?

How the fuck can ANY of you excuse this?

This isn't about Hamas, it's about fucking murdering innocents.

The innocents Hamas murdered do NOT justify innocents murdered by Israel.

 

[petros]

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Blinken decides against changing military assistance to Israel, Axios reports — Reuters

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has decided not to change military assistance to Israel for now, Axios reported on Tuesday, citing two unnamed U.S. officials.

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Is the aid going to flow or will it still be blocked making a not starvation look less like a not starvation? It doesnt look like they are trying to starve them at all. It only take one dead from starvation to not look like a nongenocide.

 

[petros]

'MBS Was Willing to Go a Long Way Toward Israel, but Netanyahu and His Coalition Have Become Unhinged'​

There's a split-screen between Riyadh, where the Saudi Crown Prince accused Israel of genocide and called for the full recognition of Palestine, and Jerusalem, where far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich is prepping for annexation. Can the Trump administration still push normalization under these conditions?

Amir Tibon
Nov 13, 2024 12:05 am IST

Two public statements made on Monday afternoon in two different corners of the Middle East exemplified better than



If the Arabs go BRICS because of Bibi and the Jew Klux Klan we're fucked, absolutely fucked.

Is it worth saving a far right theocracy of 10 Million only to crash our economy?

You don't think that maybe just maybe Israel is using that as blackmail? I have no doubt.

 

[petros]

Another land grab?

The way it looks on the ground, the IDF won't leave Gaza before 2026,' an officer in one of the brigades fighting in Gaza said. 'When you see the roads being paved here, it's clear that this isn't intended for ground maneuvers or for raids by troops into various places. These roads lead, among other places, to the places from which some of the settlements were removed. I don't know of any intent to rebuild them, that isn't something we're told explicitly. But everyone understands where this is going'" – Yaniv Kubovich and Avi Scharf

 

[Ron in Regina]

Saudi MBS and allies have a decision to make.

Abraham Accord is going to make a comeback with a requirement of a Palestinian State.

Good. Did Palestine accept the Abraham accord the last time?

Will they accept them this time if they’re not the centre of attention like they weren’t the last time?

The failures of the Abraham Accords

"This notion that you can leap from over the Palestinian issue" in the Abraham Accords proved to be "an illusion," says Nimrod Novik, the Israel Policy Forum...

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Abraham Accord is going to make a comeback with a requirement of a Palestinian State.

Well, this one has been tried many times and rejected many times, but maybe this time is different.

Pre-1967 (but after 1948), the West Bank was an annexed possession of Jordan
& Gaza (or the Gaza Strip, etc…) was militarily occupied by Egypt as an Egyptian client state, so I’m thinking they mean maybe sometime in 1967, but after after about June 10-ish & maybe before June 12-ish…something like that?

But then, there will have to be some horse trading to come up with the mutually agreed-upon land swaps, etc…

But will the Palestinians agree to a two state solution that isn’t absolutely everything with Israel ceasing to exist? They haven’t yet, but maybe this time is different.

The U.S. is likely to officially designate Israel on Wednesday as non-compliant with its demand to significantly increase humanitarian aid entering Gaza, Israeli officials and Western diplomats told Haaretz, which could lead to a freeze on arms supplies and/or no U.S. veto of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel.

Today is Wednesday, Nov 13th, 2024.

In Response Islamic Jihad from Gaza demonstrates that at least 1/100 of Israeli hostages is (or recently was) still alive as recently as 6-8 weeks ago

The IDF is allowing armed Palestinians to loot aid convoys entering Gaza and to extort protection money from them, sources in aid organizations working in the Strip told Haaretz.

So…are they describing Hamas or Islamic Jihad or some other group? Which sources in what aid agencies are saying this?

The IDF said it has expanded the humanitarian zone in Gaza.

Tough in an urban combat zone getting accurate info through the propaganda.

Is the aid going to flow or will it still be blocked making a not starvation look less like a not starvation? It doesnt look like they are trying to starve them at all. It only take one dead from starvation to not look like a nongenocide.

It’s truly a shitty situation with Hamas embedding themselves amongst and beneath the other residents of Gaza.

Is the US really gonna do anything before January 20th…or are they going to pursue one course before January 20th, & a different course after January 20th?

This is…something.

President-elect Donald Trump has named Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik to serve as the US ambassador to the United Nations. Maybe more going on here?

Trump considers Elise Stefanik for U N Ambassador amid strong Israel support

US President-elect Donald Trump has appointed New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, as an ambassador to the United Nations.Known for her unwavering support ...

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The innocents Hamas murdered do NOT justify innocents murdered by Israel.

No, it doesn’t. If Hamas & Israel could just find a way to resolve this, militarily or otherwise, & not in an urban combat situation where the not Hamas/Islamic Jihad/etc…non-combatants aren’t in the middle or above this war…that would be great. Hasn’t happened in the last year but that would be spot on.

…& it hasn’t ended yet.

Gaza–Israel conflict - Wikipedia

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[petros]

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Good. Did Palestine accept the Abraham accord the last time?

But will the Palestinians agree to a two state solution that isn’t absolutely everything with Israel ceasing to exist? They haven’t yet, but maybe this time is different.

When has Israel ever agreed to leaving the illegally occupied West Bank? Never or never? Why would Palestinians hand their highly prized farmland and all the freshwater to Israeli terrorists? Holocaust?

 

[Ron in Regina]

When has Israel ever agreed to leaving the illegally occupied West Bank? Never or never? Why would Palestinians hand their highly prized farmland and all the freshwater to Israeli terrorists? Holocaust?

Sorry, what? By West Bank I’m assuming you mean…Samaria & Judea, which is what that chunk of ground was called before Jordan annexed it in 1948 making it their “West Bank” as in their (Jordan’s) chunk of land west of the River Jordan…that West Bank?
Anyway…

When has Israel ever agreed to leaving the illegally occupied West Bank?

Blah blah blah…let’s go back a step or two…

…but maybe not that far back as many overlapping promises where made to many…

Nope, not that one either, as that’s panned out a little toooo far….so I guess I was closer with the first map. Anyway…

Then this got split into Arab & Jewish areas..

But whoopsies…the British promised more than they had of the former Ottoman Empire. So they took what was left over and tried to partition that again which the Jews accepted & the Arab nationalists didn’t…

…& that brings us to 1937-ish. Too much for Israel, not enough for the Arab nationalists….so…they proposed other partitions & none where good enough for the Arab nationalists…notice what’s now called the Golan Heights in each?

Which eventually lead to the British bugging out of the area, followed by the Jews declaring pretty much immediately their independence & statehood, etc…leading to everyone & their dog ganging up on what’s now Israel in 1948.

…& I’ve been interrupted eleventeen times in the last ten minutes as I’m trying to respond here, so I’ll have to come back to this another time….

Oh…maybe….ok, International Humanitarian Law (IHL) or the Laws of Armed Conflict (LOAC) prohibits the transfer of segments of the population of a state to the territory of another state which it has occupied as a result of the resort to armed force, like Jordan did in 1948, & Israel did taking the same territory from Jordan in 1967.

Quite apart from the question of whether the Fourth Geneva Convention applies de jure to territory such as the West Bank over which there was no previous legitimate sovereign, the case of Jews voluntarily establishing homes and communities in their ancient homeland, and alongside Palestinian communities, does not match the kind of forced population transfers contemplated by Article 49(6)???

As Professor Eugene Rostow, former US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs has written: "the Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there" (AJIL, 1990, vol. 84, p.72). The provisions of Article 49(6) regarding forced population transfer to occupied sovereign territory should not be seen as prohibiting the voluntary return of individuals to the towns and villages from which they, or their ancestors, had been forcibly ousted. Nor does it prohibit the movement of individuals to land which was not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state and which is not subject to private ownership.

Yeah…this isn’t gonna happen tonight & I’ll have to come back to this.

 

[petros]

Sorry, what? By West Bank I’m assuming you mean…Samaria & Judea, which is what that chunk of ground was called before Jordan annexed it in 1948 making it their “West Bank” as in their (Jordan’s) chunk of land west of the River Jordan…that West Bank?
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But whoopsies…the British promised more than they had of the former Ottoman Empire. So they took what was left over and tried to partition that again which the Jews accepted & the Arab nationalists didn’t…
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…& that brings us to 1937-ish. Too much for Israel, not enough for the Arab nationalists….so…they proposed other partitions & none where good enough for the Arab nationalists…notice what’s now called the Golan Heights in each?
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Which eventually lead to the British bugging out of the area, followed by the Jews declaring pretty much immediately their independence & statehood, etc…leading to everyone & their dog ganging up on what’s now Israel in 1948.
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…& I’ve been interrupted eleventeen times in the last ten minutes as I’m trying to respond here, so I’ll have to come back to this another time….

Oh…maybe….ok, International Humanitarian Law (IHL) or the Laws of Armed Conflict (LOAC) prohibits the transfer of segments of the population of a state to the territory of another state which it has occupied as a result of the resort to armed force, like Jordan did in 1948, & Israel did taking the same territory from Jordan in 1967.

Quite apart from the question of whether the Fourth Geneva Convention applies de jure to territory such as the West Bank over which there was no previous legitimate sovereign, the case of Jews voluntarily establishing homes and communities in their ancient homeland, and alongside Palestinian communities, does not match the kind of forced population transfers contemplated by Article 49(6)???

As Professor Eugene Rostow, former US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs has written: "the Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there" (AJIL, 1990, vol. 84, p.72). The provisions of Article 49(6) regarding forced population transfer to occupied sovereign territory should not be seen as prohibiting the voluntary return of individuals to the towns and villages from which they, or their ancestors, had been forcibly ousted. Nor does it prohibit the movement of individuals to land which was not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state and which is not subject to private ownership.

Yeah…this isn’t gonna happen tonight & I’ll have to come back to this.

A right to bulldozer farms after beating or killing the men women and children who have owned that land for centuries.

There's a recognized legal Right for that?

That is known as terrorism Ron. Its undeniable. You can post all the propaganda with bizarre "Free Man on the Land" style bullshit or retarded Biblical claims you want but facts are facts. It's an illegal occupation that uses fully Israel Govt endorsed terrorism on the "Sovereign Citizens" of Palestine as defined under International Law.

The same laws that afforded Israel the Right to exist on specific lands. Laws that Israel says it doesn't recognize but they claim gives Israel the alleged Right to defend themselves. You don't see an issue with that? Does that mean Canada can blow off the same bodies and conventions that give us the Right to legally exist and protect ourselves beyond our borders?

Next thing you know Israel will be attacking the UN and stifling international aid to non-combatant Palestinians Israel never declared war on.

Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert

Israel’s occupation is illegal and indistinguishable from a “settler-colonial” situation, which must end, as a pre-condition for Palestinians to exercise their right to self-determination, the UN’s independent expert on the occupied Palestinian territory said on Thursday.

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[Serryah]

Yep, those damned Palestinians, wanting to live on THEIR land... how dare they! They should just be giving it up to the illegal Israeli's who are pushing them out of THEIR legal homeland...

Can't imagine WHY Palestinians would have a hate on for Israeli's... not at all!

(or Israeli's for Palestinians)