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Serryah

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Big difference between a stage name and some gender confused kid changing pronouns.

Not talking pronouns, we're talking names.

And we're talking about how Hulk was, as mentioned in the meme, called by his "stage name" as if it was his real name, instead of using his real name.

The POINT is that if it's acceptable to use someone's "Stage" name if they so wish it in public, then sure as shit a trans kid trying out names to see which fits them, for when they change their names LEGALLY, shouldn't be such an issue.

Or is that concept still too complicated for you?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Not talking pronouns, we're talking names.

And we're talking about how Hulk was, as mentioned in the meme, called by his "stage name" as if it was his real name, instead of using his real name.

The POINT is that if it's acceptable to use someone's "Stage" name if they so wish it in public, then sure as shit a trans kid trying out names to see which fits them, for when they change their names LEGALLY, shouldn't be such an issue.

Or is that concept still too complicated for you?
Wait. . . is THAT what all this is about? CanCon homophobia?

Well, that's boring.
 
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petros

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Not talking pronouns, we're talking names.

And we're talking about how Hulk was, as mentioned in the meme, called by his "stage name" as if it was his real name, instead of using his real name.

The POINT is that if it's acceptable to use someone's "Stage" name if they so wish it in public, then sure as shit a trans kid trying out names to see which fits them, for when they change their names LEGALLY, shouldn't be such an issue.

Or is that concept still too complicated for you?
Trademark.

Emphasis on "trade".

If a tranny has a trademarked stage name such ohhhhh sayyyyy Divine or Kourtney Komoks(Taxslave)...
 

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An Episode of 'American Dad' with Hulk Hogan co-starring where Stan clearly calls him Terry. Hulk wasn't a name he picked himself either. He was nicknamed "Hulk" after doing a talk show with Lou Ferrigno. Hulk Hogan is a character played by Terry. Same thing with Alice Cooper. Fans may call him by that name but his friends and family still call him Vincent or Vince.
Vincent.
 

Jinentonix

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Not talking pronouns, we're talking names.

And we're talking about how Hulk was, as mentioned in the meme, called by his "stage name" as if it was his real name, instead of using his real name.

The POINT is that if it's acceptable to use someone's "Stage" name if they so wish it in public, then sure as shit a trans kid trying out names to see which fits them, for when they change their names LEGALLY, shouldn't be such an issue.

Or is that concept still too complicated for you?
They used his stage name because the whole fuckin' world knows who "Hulk" Hogan is. That name has worldwide recognition. It's a friggin' brand ffs. "Hulk" is a nickname that he adopted for his wrestling persona. He is playing a role. He also didn't "try the name on to see if it fits", Lou Ferrigno called him a "hulk" when he was just 12 years old. Ferrigno, by the way, played the original live action Incredible Hulk back in the '70s.

In fact, "Hogan" isn't his real last name either. His real name his Terry Bollea. Vince McMahon wanted him to have an Irish sounding name (for some reason) so they went with 'Hogan'. Terry Bollea is Hulk Hogan and Hulk Hogan is Terry Bollea. One is a character he plays, the other is him in real life. Hulk Hogan is the name that earns him his income.

It's not the same thing at all.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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OK, suggestion for solving this. . .

As soon as M Poilievre becomes PM, make it a felony to use any name, under any circumstances, other than the name on one's birth certificate. No "Bobs," no "Jims," no "Shortys" or "Buzzes." If the name on your birth certificate is Percivale, then by thunder, you're Percivale, not "Percy" or "Red." Otherwise, you're #85723 for a decade or so. That'll show those trannies and grommers!
 

Serryah

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They used his stage name because the whole fuckin' world knows who "Hulk" Hogan is. That name has worldwide recognition.

Yep - recognition. Same thing as what a trans kid wants, recognition as who they are with the name they want.

Side question - do you get pissed if people change their names later in life? What about people whose legal name is William but they're called Billy? Robert being Bobby? What about anyone with a foreign name being called "Jane" because they want a more "Canadian" like name?

It's a friggin' brand ffs.

So?

"Hulk" is a nickname that he adopted for his wrestling persona. He is playing a role.

So?

He also didn't "try the name on to see if it fits", Lou Ferrigno called him a "hulk" when he was just 12 years old. Ferrigno, by the way, played the original live action Incredible Hulk back in the '70s.

Good for him?

It doesn't matter HOW or WHY he has it. By most people on this planet, they know him and will call him as Hulk, because to them THAT is his name.

In fact, "Hogan" isn't his real last name either. His real name his Terry Bollea.

Well aware of that.

Vince McMahon wanted him to have an Irish sounding name (for some reason) so they went with 'Hogan'. Terry Bollea is Hulk Hogan and Hulk Hogan is Terry Bollea. One is a character he plays, the other is him in real life. Hulk Hogan is the name that earns him his income.

It's not the same thing at all.

It's not the same as in it's the name of a "Character".

It IS the same in that it is now his name, the one people know him as the most and he recognizes it in public as his name. If someone calls him Hulk in public, he's not correcting them, he acknowledges them.

He has two names.

A trans kid is just wanting a name that best suits them. Period.

If people like Hulk and others (so many others) can change their name, so can trans people, including kids.
 

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Richard Simmons, a fitness guru who mixed laughs and sweat, dies at 76
Author of the article:Associated Press
Published Jul 13, 2024 • Last updated 23 hours ago • 4 minute read
Simmons, a fitness guru who urged the overweight to exercise and eat better, died Saturday, July 13, 2024, at the age of 76.
NEW YORK — Richard Simmons, television’s hyperactive court jester of physical fitness who built a mini-empire in his trademark tank tops and short shorts by urging the overweight to exercise and eat better, died Saturday. He turned 76 on Friday.


Simmons died at his home in Los Angeles, his publicist Tom Estey said in an email to The Associated Press. He gave no further details.

Los Angeles police and fire departments say they responded to a house — whose address the AP has matched with Simmons through public records — where a man was declared dead from natural causes.

Simmons, who had revealed a skin diagnosis in March 2024, had lately dropped out of sight, sparking speculating about his health and well-being. His death was first reported by TMZ.


Simmons was a former 268-pound teen who became a master of many media forms, sharing his hard-won weight-loss tips as host of the Emmy-winning daytime “Richard Simmons Show” and author of best-selling books and the diet plan Deal-A-Meal. He also opened exercise studios and starred exercise videos, including the wildly successful “Sweatin’ to the Oldies” line, which became a cultural phenomenon.


“My food plan and diet are just two words — common sense. With a dash of good humour,” he told The Associated Press in 1982. “I want to help people and make the world a healthier, happy place.”

Simmons embraced mass communication to get his message out, even as he eventually became the butt of jokes for his outfits and flamboyant flair. He was a sought-after guest on TV shows led by Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas and Phil Donahue. But David Letterman would prank him and Howard Stern would tease him until he cried. He was mocked in Neil Simon’s “The Goodbye Girl” on Broadway in 1993, and Eddie Murphy put on white makeup and dressed like him in “The Nutty Professor,” screaming “I’m a pony!”

Asked if he thought he could motivate people by being silly, Simmons answered, “I think there’s a time to be serious and a time to be silly. It’s knowing when to do it. I try to have a nice combination. Being silly cures depression. It catches people off guard and makes them think. But in between that silliness is a lot of seriousness that makes sense. It’s a different kind of training.”


Simmons’ daytime show was seen on 200 stations in America, as well as in Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Japan and South America. His first book, “Never Say Diet,” was a smash best-seller.

He was known to counsel the severely obese, including Rosalie Bradford, who held records for being the world’s heaviest woman, and Michael Hebranko, who credited Simmons for helping him lose 700 pounds. Simmons put real people — chubby, balding or non-telegenic _ in his exercise videos to make the fitness goals seem reachable.

Throughout his career, Simmons was a reliable critic of fad diets, always emphasizing healthy eating and exercise plans. “There’ll always be some weird thing about eating four grapes before you go to bed, or drinking a special tea, or buying this little bean from El Salvador,” he told the AP in 2005 as the Atkins diet craze swept the country. “If you watch your portions and you have a good attitude and you work out every day you’ll live longer, feel better and look terrific.”


Simmons was a native of New Orleans, a chubby boy named Milton by his parents. (He renamed himself “Richard” around the age of 10 to improve his self-image). He would tell people he ate to excess because he believed his parents liked his older brother more. He was teased by schoolmates and ballooned to almost 200 pounds.

Simmons told the AP his mother watched exercise guru Jack LaLanne’s TV show religiously when he was growing up, but he wasn’t crazy about the fitness fanatic. “I hated him,” Simmons said. “I wasn’t ready for his message because he was fit and he was healthy and he had such a positive attitude, and I was none of those things.”

Simmons went to Italy as a foreign exchange student and ended up doing peanut butter commercials and bacchanalian eating scenes for director Federico Fellini in his film “Fellini Satyricon.” He told the AP: “I was fat, had curly hair. The Italians thought I was hysterical. I was the life of the party.”


His life changed after getting an anonymous letter. “One dark, rainy day I went to my car and found a note. It said, ’Dear Richard, you’re very funny, but fat people die young. Please don’t die.” He was so stunned that he went on the starvation diet that left him thin but very ill.

After the crash diet he gained back 65 pounds. Eventually, he was able to devise a sensible plan to take off the pounds and keep them off. “I went into the business because I couldn’t find anything I liked,” he said.

When Simmons hadn’t been seen in public for several years, some news outlets speculated that he was being held hostage in his own house. In telephone interviews with “Entertainment Tonight” and the “Today” show, Simmons refuted the claims and told his fans he was enjoying the time by himself. Filmmaker-writer Dan Taberski, one of his regular students, launched a podcast in 2017 called “Missing Richard Simmons.”

In 2022, Simmons broke his six-year silence, with his spokesperson telling the New York Post that the beloved fitness icon was “living the life he has chosen.”

One of the online tributes after Simmons’ passing was from actor-comedian Pauly Shore, who previously developed an unauthorized biopic of Simmons, which Simmons objected to at the time.



“I just got word like everyone else that the beautiful Richard Simmons has passed,” he began in an Instagram post. “I hope you’re at peace and twinkling up in the heavens,” adding “You’re one of a kind, Richard. An amazing life. An amazing story.”

— Associated Press writers Stefanie Dazio and Andrew Dalton contributed from Los Angeles.
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Taxslave2

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A trans kid is just wanting a name that best suits them. Period.
So how abut fruitcake? They can pick whatever name they want. What they can't do is try and rewrite science to fit their mental illness. If Joe wants to call himself Julie, Thats fine. But he does not get to make people believe he has changed genders. Nor does he have a right to make people use the wrong pronouns to suit his mental illness.
 

Serryah

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So how abut fruitcake?

... not sure what you mean by this.


They can pick whatever name they want.

And? People can do that now as it is and they don't have to be Trans. Non-trans people pick new names and change all the time.

It's only when trans kids want to try out new names to see if they like it that it's an issue.

What they can't do is try and rewrite science to fit their mental illness.

Picking a name to be called by that you choose isn't rewriting science.

If Joe wants to call himself Julie, Thats fine.

Good, then stop trying to tell trans people, especially trans kids, they can't do that.

But he does not get to make people believe he has changed genders.

It's not "changing" Genders, rather it's acknowledging they were never the gender that a doctor said they were from the get go.

That's science, whether you like it or not.

Nor does he have a right to make people use the wrong pronouns to suit his mental illness.

The 'mental illness' part of being trans is the dysphoria that comes with it. To fix that dysphoria, there are many options all depending on the level of dysphoria and the desire of the person to transition. One of them is social transition which includes name and appearance changes such as clothes and hair. By saying trans kids don't get to do this, you are denying them health care. What right do you have to tell people what health care they can and can't have?

By calling a trans person "he" - for example - when they are she as their gender, they ARE being called the wrong pronouns.

If they're non-binary, being called they/them fits more than he/she.

What they have a *right* to is to be respected by the fact they're human beings, just like you. But if you're saying they don't have that right, then no one has that right. So I can disrespect you all I want and you shouldn't get pissed about it ever. I can call you whatever I want, say anything I want to you and you don't ever get to say "That's not me" or deny it or ignore it or anything else. And I'm sure that you can say "I don't care" but imagine getting that all the time from everyone around you. Eventually it will bother you and you're lying if you think otherwise.
 

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The Hulkster can call himself whatever he wants. So can the fruitcakes. But, it's up to us to accept that or not. Personally I think the name Hulk Hogan is just plain silly. I am sure he doesn't give a rats ass what I think though.
 
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The Hulkster can call himself whatever he wants. So can the fruitcakes. But, it's up to us to accept that or not. Personally I think the name Hulk Hogan is just plain silly. I am sure he doesn't give a rats ass what I think though.
He was sued over the name Hulk by the comic book people.
 
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