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Ron in Regina

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Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has said he would eject any members of his caucus named in a bombshell NSICOP report warning of “witting” foreign agents in Parliament. As Poilievre said in a Wednesday radio interview, he would “absolutely” dismiss any Conservative MPs found to have “wittingly worked with a foreign government against Canada.”

The only problem is, he’s refusing to read the report.

The reason is a kind of legislative Catch-22 that Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet has previously referred to as a “dumb trap.” If Poilievre gets the top-level security clearance required to read the report, he will henceforth be sworn to secrecy on what it contains.

“Agreeing to this security briefing means getting the information and the names.

However…those who obtain the names are not allowed to disclose them, not allowed to talk about it and not allowed to act on this information,” was how Bloc Québécois MP Jean-Denis Garon explained the Catch-22 in the House of Commons this week.
Poilievre’s refusal to read the report also provided a rare moment of agreement between himself and former NDP leader Tom Mulcair.

Speaking to CTV this week, Mulcair said he never would have taken a deal that would have required him to be “hamstrung” on what he could say in regards to a major foreign interference scandal.

“I don’t want to be told that now that I’ve seen this I can’t say that,” said Mulcair, who occupied Poilievre’s current position as Leader of the Official Opposition from 2012 to 2015.

The former NDP leader added, “I think that on this, Poilievre is completely right.”

To read the report — and to see the names of the accused foreign collaborators — parliamentarians have to quality for Top Secret security clearance.

Members of the NSICOP are what’s known as “persons permanently bound to secrecy,” meaning that they’re legally bound to take any state secrets to the grave. NSICOP clearance also goes a step further than typical top secret clearances in requiring parliamentarians to waive their usual rights to parliamentary immunity.

Under normal circumstances, comments made in the House of Commons are protected from any number of legal consequences. MPs, for instance, can say as many libellous things as they want without getting sued.

But the act governing the NSICOP makes clear that if a parliamentarian blabs any secrets during House of Commons proceedings, that comments are “admissible in evidence against them” in any subsequent national security prosecution.
If the NSICOP report contained a “list” of politicians who have helped foreign governments and who have benefited from foreign principals and their proxies to the detriment of Canada and Canadians, any serious observer of China’s whole-of-government exertions in this country since 2015 would full expect to see the prime minister’s name at the very top of it. Justin Trudeau has been a one-man Chinese influence operation for years, and he hasn’t even tried to hide it.

Nevermind his weird cash-for-access arrangements with multi-millionaire proxies of the Chinese government, the unaccountable serendipity of $67,080 in Mandarin-bloc donations replenishing the war chest of his own Papineau riding in Montreal in a single 48-hour period in July 2016, and other such indiscretions.

Open collaboration with Xi Jinping’s torture state was Trudeau’s policy when he ran for the Liberal leadership, and he embarked upon it with verve and style from his first days in the Prime Minister’s Office. It would be a “win-win” affair.

This is exactly why the prime minister is not, strictly speaking, a traitor. Treason by way of collaboration in foreign interference operations requires that the conduct be clandestine.

For nearly five years in the case of Han Dong, Trudeau pretended in public that there was nothing untoward about the Liberal nomination in Don Valley North, and that it was racist to suggest that there was, and that there was nothing amiss about busloads of Chinese students showing up from a posh foreign-student academy in another riding to cast votes for Dong.

All along, Trudeau knew that CSIS had assessed that the students were strong-armed by the Chinese consulate, that they were from another riding and therefore voting in contravention of the Liberal Party’s rules, that they used fraudulent party credentials and that they had intimidated local Liberal party members to get Beijing’s guy on the ticket.
 

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he has concerns with how conclusions were gathered in a spy watchdog report.
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Speaking after the conclusion of the G7 summit in Italy, Trudeau told reporters that he has concerns with the way the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians came to its conclusions that some parliamentarians were “semi-witting or witting” participants in efforts of foreign states to meddle in Canadian politics.
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“We made clear some concerns we had with the way that NSCIOP did, drew conclusions,” he said. “I think that is an important part of the process.”
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The Prime Minister’s comments echo those of Public Safety Minister Dominic Leblanc who said last week that the government disagreed with the committee’s interpretation of some of the intelligence. However, it remains unclear exactly what concerns the prime minister has. He would not elaborate Saturday when asked specifically for details about those concerns.
“We made clear some of the concerns we have with the way NSICOP drew their conclusions,” Trudeau said.

This is a bizarre statement by Trudeau on the findings of his own committee, which has now advised him in three reports since 2018 about the seriousness of Canada’s foreign interference crisis.
NSICOP’s 84-page report confirmed much of what we already knew through media reports and previous inquiries — information that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his Liberals have continually tried to downplay and discredit.

Similar to previous Liberal attempts to discredit media reports about foreign interference as originating from unreliable leaks, Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc suggested the report “lacked the necessary caveats,” and cast doubt on “the idea that there is a perfect list of names that is entirely reliable and that should be released to the public.”

Last week, he told the House standing committee on public safety and national security that it’s up to the RCMP and Crown prosecutors to decide whether “charges should be laid,” but suggested it may not be possible because the report relies on “unverified intelligence information.”

And in any case, as NSICOP acknowledged, the allegations are “unlikely to lead to criminal charges,” as Canada has not developed a strong system for using classified intelligence as evidence in court. But this only shows the government’s unwillingness to take the necessary steps to safeguard our democracy.
We understand that releasing the names of the accused parliamentarians and the particulars of their alleged transgressions would risk divulging sensitive details about how our intelligence agencies collected the information.

But this hazard is likely outweighed by the need to send a clear message to Canadian politicians that their Oath of Allegiance to King and country will be taken seriously, and to foreign adversaries that attempts to influence our democracy will not go unchallenged.

More importantly, while we agree that every Canadian has a right to due process, that same standard doesn’t apply to the world of electoral politics.

Speaking to the Canadian media on the sidelines of the G7 summit in southern Italy, which ends on Saturday, Mr. Trudeau had far less to say about the report on foreign interference than NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh or Green Party Leader Elizabeth May.
Mr. Poilievre’s office said Canadian Security Intelligence Service officials can brief him if federal officials feel there are foreign-interference concerns about his party or caucus that should be brought to his attention. The NSICOP report mentions alleged interference by China and India in Conservative leadership races, though the public version of the report offers no such details.
 
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Trudeau and senior Liberal party officials told the inquiry that they were aware of CSIS's concerns about Dong's nomination contest but said the evidence wasn't enough to remove him as a candidate.

Singh said Friday that Trudeau should have dropped Dong as a Liberal candidate.

"The intelligence briefing … concerning foreign interference for the candidate should have caused some serious concern about that candidate moving forward," he said.

Dong has been seeking to rejoin the Liberals since last year. When asked if he thinks the Liberals should not allow Dong back in, Singh replied, "Absolutely."

Speaking to CBC News Network's Power & Politics on Friday, Singh accused Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of not acting on the information in the report, and pointed to Dong's case as an example.

"It is clear that [Trudeau] knew and, in his actions, implicitly accepted a certain level of foreign interference," Singh told host David Cochrane.

"That sends a message that it is fair game for foreign powers to continue to try to influence, or manipulate or interfere with MPs."
 

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In an apparent jab at NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canadians should be wary of political leaders who say their parties haven't been compromised by foreign interference.

Last week — after reading the classified, unredacted version of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) report — Singh suggested to reporters that he didn't have to worry about members of his caucus.

In an interview with CBC's Power & Politics on Monday, Trudeau questioned that assertion.

"I hadn't known Jagmeet said that," the prime minister said after a pause. "I would be wary of any party leader drawing any sort of conclusion like that."

I think the game being played is this….Jagmeet is claiming that as far as he knows, none of his MP’s are involved as henchmen for foreign national states….& Justin is counting anyone from villains and traitors to victims of foreign interference to pump up the numbers and cast doubt to deflect attention from himself & his own party into a larger filthier net of accusations without clarification to cast doubt upon everybody.

Trudeau did not answer when asked whether members of his party were named in the NSICOP report.
A spokesperson for the NDP told CBC News that Trudeau should tell Singh about any information that suggests NDP MPs worked with foreign agents.

"If the prime minister has intelligence that someone in our caucus is knowingly working with a foreign government against Canadian interests, he can tell Jagmeet who has clearance. No such information has been given to us," Alana Cahill, the NDP's director of communications, said in an email.

During his news conference last week, Singh said the classified report shows Trudeau accepted some level of foreign interference and that he wanted to "to protect [the] party rather than defending the country."

But Singh, who has agreed to a confidence-and-supply deal to prop up the Liberal minority government, said he would not end his support for the government.😉

So far, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has resisted calls to obtain a security clearance to read the classified report. He has called on the Liberal government to name any parliamentarians implicated in the unredacted report on the floor of the House of Commons, where MPs enjoy parliamentary privilege.

Trudeau and his public safety minister have rejected that call. So far things seem to be working out just as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau might hope. Canada’s opposition figures are being shown to be wholly incapable of keeping their yaps shut and therefore too unreliable to be trusted with crucial state intelligence information. That fits nicely with the Trudeau government’s obsession with secrecy and uber-anal insistence on controlling information, especially the kind that might prove embarrassing to them.
Poilievre says CSIS, Canada’s main intelligence agency, is free to warn him if it thinks any of his MPs are guilty of anything he should know about, which it can legally do any time it wants.

Liberal Public Safety minister Dominic LeBlanc keeps pressing him to read the report anyway, because then LeBlanc could denounce him any time he opened his mouth.
 
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In an apparent jab at NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canadians should be wary of political leaders who say their parties haven't been compromised by foreign interference.

Last week — after reading the classified, unredacted version of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) report — Singh suggested to reporters that he didn't have to worry about members of his caucus.

In an interview with CBC's Power & Politics on Monday, Trudeau questioned that assertion.

"I hadn't known Jagmeet said that," the prime minister said after a pause. "I would be wary of any party leader drawing any sort of conclusion like that."

I think the game being played is this….Jagmeet is claiming that as far as he knows, none of his MP’s are involved as henchmen for foreign national states….& Justin is counting anyone from villains and traitors to victims of foreign interference to pump up the numbers and cast doubt to deflect attention from himself & his own party into a larger filthier net of accusations without clarification to cast doubt upon everybody.

Trudeau did not answer when asked whether members of his party were named in the NSICOP report.
A spokesperson for the NDP told CBC News that Trudeau should tell Singh about any information that suggests NDP MPs worked with foreign agents.

"If the prime minister has intelligence that someone in our caucus is knowingly working with a foreign government against Canadian interests, he can tell Jagmeet who has clearance. No such information has been given to us," Alana Cahill, the NDP's director of communications, said in an email.

During his news conference last week, Singh said the classified report shows Trudeau accepted some level of foreign interference and that he wanted to "to protect [the] party rather than defending the country."

But Singh, who has agreed to a confidence-and-supply deal to prop up the Liberal minority government, said he would not end his support for the government.😉

So far, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has resisted calls to obtain a security clearance to read the classified report. He has called on the Liberal government to name any parliamentarians implicated in the unredacted report on the floor of the House of Commons, where MPs enjoy parliamentary privilege.

Trudeau and his public safety minister have rejected that call. So far things seem to be working out just as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau might hope. Canada’s opposition figures are being shown to be wholly incapable of keeping their yaps shut and therefore too unreliable to be trusted with crucial state intelligence information. That fits nicely with the Trudeau government’s obsession with secrecy and uber-anal insistence on controlling information, especially the kind that might prove embarrassing to them.
Poilievre says CSIS, Canada’s main intelligence agency, is free to warn him if it thinks any of his MPs are guilty of anything he should know about, which it can legally do any time it wants.

Liberal Public Safety minister Dominic LeBlanc keeps pressing him to read the report anyway, because then LeBlanc could denounce him any time he opened his mouth.
Do you think Justin would be for having by-elections in the compromised ridings?

If this went down in my riding I'd want one regardless of my bias.
 

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Eli May claims to have read the unredacted report, and claims no current MP is involved. A couple of bottles of wine should make all that information public.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Eli May claims to have read the unredacted report, and claims no current MP is involved. A couple of bottles of wine should make all that information public.
Both her & Mr. Singh are playing a dangerous game without parliamentary privilege which was waved to read that report. Luckily neither one of them will be the next Canadian PM…who would be hamstrung to say anything learned now once in the PM big chair.
 

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Both her & Mr. Singh are playing a dangerous game without parliamentary privilege which was waved to read that report. Luckily neither one of them will be the next Canadian PM…who would be hamstrung to say anything learned now once in the PM big chair.
I suspect that should either be a threat, TrueDope would throw the book at them. One more reason for PP to not see it.
 

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I suspect that should either be a threat, TrueDope would throw the book at them. One more reason for PP to not see it.
That is why PP didn't read the report. He can repeat anything he gets hold of with immunity. Any leader that read the unredacted version cannot protect their own party members now.
 

Ron in Regina

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I suspect that should either be a threat, TrueDope would throw the book at them. One more reason for PP to not see it.
Generally, don’t the Green/NDP/Liberals align on most things (especially confidence votes)…so do you really think Trudeau would throw anything beyond shade at them?
That is why PP didn't read the report. He can repeat anything he gets hold of with immunity. Any leader that read the unredacted version cannot protect their own party members now.
He’d be gagged as the only real threat to Liberal power…both before and after the next federal election, Prime Minister or not, I would assume.
Both her & Mr. Singh are playing a dangerous game without parliamentary privilege which was waved to read that report. Luckily neither one of them will be the next Canadian PM…who would be hamstrung to say anything learned now once in the PM big chair.
I’m also assuming that both of these characters above are very close to a pee-pee whack by wiggling their tongues on this now. Neither is truly a threat to the liberal party though.
 
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All the party leaders broadly agreed last week that the unredacted version of the NSICOP report should be booted over to Justice Hogue to sort it all out. And separately, a series of national-security measures NSICOP had urged in vain on the Trudeau government for seven years is suddenly roaring through Parliament with all-party support.

Bill C-70 is already at the third-reading stage in the Senate after being introduced in the House of Commons only on May 6. Among other things, the bill contains a version of the foreign influence registry that the Liberals dragged their feet on for three years. First introduced in an April 13, 2021 private members bill tabled by Steveston — Richmond East Conservative MP Kenny Chiu, the registry was ferociously opposed by Beijing’s UFWD proxies in Canada. Chiu was defeated following a well-documented UFWD campaign to punish him at the polls.

Where things get particularly awkward for Trudeau’s Liberals is that leaked CSIS assessments consistently show that the UFWD had identified a very specific objective in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections: keeping the Conservatives out of office and ensuring a Liberal win, preferably in a more easily-manipulable minority government.
There is no way of knowing for certain whether any foreign-meddling effort in any riding in either of those federal elections influenced the vote outcome, one way or another. But however this story ends, it’s hard to see its final chapter containing the Trudeau government’s vindication. It’s much easier to imagine the story coming to a close in Justin Trudeau’s final disgrace.

Given all that foot-dragging, it would be absurd for Mr. Trudeau to now try to claim the high ground in the fight against foreign interference.

This week and last, Mr. Trudeau has been boasting that his government created NSICOP in 2017 over the objections of the Conservative opposition, suggesting that the Liberals care more about this stuff.

But the Conservatives objected to NSICOP because it is a parliamentary committee that answers only to the Prime Minister’s Office, with members and a chair chosen by Mr. Trudeau, and whose reports are vetted and redacted by the PMO prior to their release.
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(Nice bookends) Why is Mr. Trudeau suddenly attacking NSICOP? And why, too, does he feel it necessary to make sure that MPs in every party remain under a cloud of suspicion?
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s national security adviser is playing down concerns over the government concealing cabinet documents from the commissioner looking into foreign interference, saying the government has chosen to provide the cabinet confidences it considers “most relevant” to the inquiry.

“We have already shared four MCs (memorandums to cabinet) with the commission and those cabinet documents were the most relevant, to the point, really addressing foreign interference,” Nathalie Drouin told the House of Commons committee of procedure and House affairs on Thursday.
Conservative MP Eric Duncan compared the situation to “a courtroom trial where the accused that’s on the stand gets to choose what evidence the judge gets to see.”
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The foreign interference inquiry commissioner, Marie-Josée Hogue, who is expected to publish a second report later this year, noted in her interim report published in May that the commission was challenging certain redactions in more than 1,000 documents provided by the government, which cited “cabinet confidence, solicitor-client privilege or protection of personal information.”

On Thursday, commission spokesperson Michael Tansey said discussions about the redactions with the government are still ongoing. He said the commission has no further comment at this time.
 

Ron in Regina

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Opposition MPs remained unconvinced by Drouin’s testimony and proceeded to press Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc over why the government is withholding information from a commission that is working under a tight deadline to have a final report completed by Dec. 31.

“Ultimately, what we all want coming out of this inquiry is to have faith in the process and in the inquiry and its outcome. If documents are withheld, you are going to undermine and undercut the work of the commissioner,” said NDP MP Jenny Kwan.

LeBlanc reiterated that public servants, not politicians, were involved in deciding what information is considered a cabinet confidence? Under whose direction?

LeBlanc said that, as a fundamental principle of a Westminster parliamentary system “no government since Confederation is going to evacuate cabinet confidence to somebody other than the sitting head of the government.” Ahhh, asked and answered…Justin ol’sock…
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In May, a report by the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interference found that federal elections in 2019 and 2021 were “tainted” by foreign interference. The commissioner, Marie-Josée Hogue, listed five countries — Iran, China, Russia, India and Pakistan — as the leading state actors meddling in Canadian affairs.

Russia’s goal, the document explained, “is to undermine perceived United States global dominance, discredit the U.S. and Western policies, and undermine support for U.S.-led institutions, partnerships and alliances.”

Iran was not deemed a “significant” foreign meddler at the time, but officials confirmed they were closely monitoring the situation. “In some cases, Iran seeks to silence Canada-based critics through harassment and intimidation,” Hogue wrote in the report. At a recent White House briefing, U.S. National Security Council (NSC) spokesman John Kirby acknowledged Iran played an instrumental role in boosting anti-Israel protests on college campuses.

“We’ve observed a clear crossover of pro-Kremlin/anti-Ukrainian and anti-Zionist/pro-Hamas narratives by prominent far-left and far-right influencers,” said Kolga, who is also a cyber expert with The Macdonald-Laurier Institute.

However, Finkelstein underscored that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) should not be overlooked as politicians zero in on Iran.

In May, NCRI revealed that the Chinese government was instrumental in promoting anti-Israel protests in the U.S., “mobilizing frequent demonstrations as well as gradually escalating direct-action campaigns targeting critical infrastructure and public spaces.” The report, which highlighted the involvement of groups such as Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and the Palestinian Youth Movement (PYM) in the Chinese network, drew the condemnation of senior American political leaders.

The Ministry of Public Safety said in a statement that the “government and our intelligence agencies take the threat posed by foreign interference extremely seriously, and we will continue to take appropriate measures to combat it.”

Conservative Deputy Leader Melissa Lantsmann said the government is not doing enough. “After nine years of Justin Trudeau, foreign interference has run rampant in Canada. Foreign states have targeted our country, our democracy and our people and the government has failed to take action to stop it,” the Thornhill MP told the Post in an email.

“Whether it be the CCP targeting our elections or the regime in Tehran harassing dissidents and fomenting unrest in our streets; any interference, from any foreign state must be stopped.”